Marvel Cinematic Universe

[ecsrobin]

SpudLink said:

I stand by my original opinion that if you ignore the ‘cultural significance’ stuff, it’s a good MCU film, but not one of the best. On a par with the first Thor. Maybe a little better, but similar level.
However the ‘cultural significance’ is part of what the film is about. Killmonger is one of the MCUs better villains, and his motivation is driven by centuries of geopolitics. And the subtext is all through the film. That is something that separates BP from what has come before.

Interesting you say that. We mentioned it to a few of the Mrs’s friends and they said exactly the same. And you’re probably all right.

I won’t be racing at any time to re-watch it though.

[Mojooo]

I have seen all films in the last few weeks

Iron Man 1 was OK 2 and 3 went downhill - but still watchable

Hulk - OK

Thor 1 was OK, 2 poor, 3 better

Captain America - 2 and 3 better than 1

Spider-Man / Guardians / Ant Man - very good

Dr Strange and Black Panther significantly worse than the above

Avengers - slightly over the top but good. Avengers Infinity War 2 should be good.

I suspect after this some of the old guard will be gone and I would be worried if they are relying on Dr Strange and Black Panther but Spiderman and AntMan are good so there is some hope.

[Moonhawk]

Mojooo said:

I suspect after this some of the old guard will be gone and I would be worried if they are relying on Dr Strange and Black Panther but Spiderman and AntMan are good so there is some hope.

There is talk that Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers will become the de-facto leader of the Avengers/MCU going forward.

Tony Stark and Steve Rogers have both lead the Avengers over the past 20 or so movies - but both have had their issues and demons to contend with and have both made mistakes that have shown the flaws in their characters (as have all the characters in the MCU) - but by showing this, it has also allowed their characters to grow.

Black Widow has also set a benchmark. Although she is bad ass - she showed real fear when faced with Hulk in Avengers and appeared genuinely shaken by her encounter with him. Also her bait and switch on Loki (after his "mewling quim" line) was awesome - easily the standout scene of the movie.

Let's just hope they don't do a Rey/Mary Sue job on Carol Danvers. If she's too powerful and too perfect, I think the fans will reject that. It simply wouldn't fit with the MCU's style. She needs to have character flaws, needs to make mistakes and needs to show vulnerabilities to make her character believable. If they continue to get this right, there is no reason the MCU can't continue for another 20 films.

[Halb]

Mojooo said:

I suspect after this some of the old guard will be gone and I would be worried if they are relying on Dr Strange and Black Panther but Spiderman and AntMan are good so there is some hope.

I'd be worried too. Dickybackwundercutch isn't RDJ, and Chris Evans has been superb as Captain AMerica. He actually made me like the character and I think he is my fave. Black Panther isn't a replacement.
RDJ is yugely expensive, and Evans will be post IW2, so the flag-bearers looks uncerratin to me, but the side stuff looks excellent, at least we'll have one more Guardians film and Spider-Man film. Oh and THor, he'll probably be the new Odin and take a back seat.
I do think it's sad we won't get certain characters to interact like THor and Hercules but ho hum

[Moonhawk]

Halb said:

RDJ is yugely expensive

Whilst that is true - I think he's become somewhat typecast. If you look at his filmography over the last decade, it's mostly MCU.

I think RDJ might find it difficult to get jobs post MCU and I suspect he'll end up accepting somewhat lower fees to appear in cameos/bit parts (assuming his characters isn't killed off in IW2).

[Halb]

Moonhawk said:

Whilst that is true - I think he's become somewhat typecast. If you look at his filmography over the last decade, it's mostly MCU.

I think RDJ might find it difficult to get jobs post MCU and I suspect he'll end up accepting somewhat lower fees to appear in cameos/bit parts (assuming his characters isn't killed off in IW2).

8 MCU films in 10 year, I guess it take up one's time. I looked at this page.

"In 2007, Downey was cast as the title character in the film Iron Man,[75] with director Jon Favreau explaining the choice by stating: "Downey wasn't the most obvious choice, but he understood what makes the character tick. He found a lot of his own life experience in 'Tony Stark'."[76] Favreau insisted on having Downey as he repeatedly claimed that Downey would be to Iron Man what Johnny Depp is to the Pirates of the Caribbean series: a lead actor who could both elevate the quality of the film and increase the public's interest in it.[40][77][78][79] For the role Downey had to gain more than 20 pounds of muscle in five months to look like he "had the power to forge iron".[80]"

How right Favearu was! Easy to forget they could have screwed it way back. I'm actually looking forward to the Doolittle remake, if it's like the Rex Harrison film and not like the Ed Murphy crud.

[Halb]

James Gunn FIRED by Disney Marvel

https://youtu.be/D7hAwdnKsuI


jeeez, bad news there. I was only reading about Gunn and the GotG tonight, I was a tad puzzled over the GotG2/IW timeline.
Dang. I hope they get someone who has Gunn's vision to complete the third film

[bstb3]

Fair play to Disney, nothing else they could have done given their family image so best they moved as soon as they could. The suggestion in Grace's video of the Ragnarok director makes a lot of sense for GotG 3.

As for Gunn, well - just goes to show you have to keep your own house in order before gunning (aha) for others, else they will shoot back with something bigger. A shame as I liked the first two GotG movies.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4490601...

[MissChief]

bstb3 said:

Fair play to Disney, nothing else they could have done given their family image so best they moved as soon as they could. The suggestion in Grace's video of the Ragnarok director makes a lot of sense for GotG 3.

As for Gunn, well - just goes to show you have to keep your own house in order before gunning (aha) for others, else they will shoot back with something bigger. A shame as I liked the first two GotG movies.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4490601...

Rule number 1, if you become famous, delete old Twitter account completely and start a new one. And treat it like a public announcement to the whole internet.

[Tony Starks]

bstb3 said:

Fair play to Disney, nothing else they could have done given their family image so best they moved as soon as they could. The suggestion in Grace's video of the Ragnarok director makes a lot of sense for GotG 3.

As for Gunn, well - just goes to show you have to keep your own house in order before gunning (aha) for others, else they will shoot back with something bigger. A shame as I liked the first two GotG movies.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4490601...

Dear god no, GotG doesnt need Taika.

Its a shame that things people say a long time ago can still cause so many problems. Its probably more to do with his Ben Shapiro recommendations on Twitter than old stuff.

[Moonhawk]

I read the tweets - and i'm not surprised about Disney's actions, especially given the hyper sensitive world we now appear to live in.

I would say however, his tweets were no worse than a lot of Jimmy Carr's or Frankie Boyle's material from that same time period.

[irocfan]

Moonhawk said:

I read the tweets - and i'm not surprised about Disney's actions, especially given the hyper sensitive world we now appear to live in.

I would say however, his tweets were no worse than a lot of Jimmy Carr's or Frankie Boyle's material from that same time period.

the issue is that we're getting to the point where, as Gunn mentioned, things are said years in the past when you're a totally different person and you're still viewed at the same person - which is a nonsense. Put bluntly is rape and paedophilia funny? No, of course, it isn't - has that stopped people making jokes about the subject? We know the answer to that. I'd argue that bad-taste jokes (http://www.sickipedia.net/) are part and parcel of life (everyone is offended about something) - on the other hand committing crimes is not (I'm looking at you polanski, weinstein, spacey et al)

The issue is complicated in this situation because Disney prides itself on their 'family values' and such jokes, however old, don't really fit that mould. The concern I have is that we could be getting to the point where people are hounded out because their character is not spotless?

Regardless D felt they had to act and did.

[ukaskew]

Apparently Disney were well aware of this before, I understand he'd been quite honest about it before GOTG (he was a Troma director so hardly family friendly!)

The issue, and what I struggle with, is that somebody with an agenda can dig it up, make it all public again and basically force the hand of somebody's employer.

I dug up my Usenet history from 1998 a while back, although it was incredibly tame and harmless compared to this I honestly didn't recognise it as stuff I would write. I was 16 but even so, I'd hate to think anyone would read it and think in any way that it even remotely defined me as a person now.

[Halb]

Don't go directing any films for Disney.

[Mojooo]

Shame, GOTG certainly had a different feel from the other marvel films (in a good way).

[Halb]

Well it's official, comcast didn't nix it after all.

I hope Feig handles this well, I don't actually want to see any more x-men films, they've been overused horribly.
at least it means no more stty fox versions

Disney Fox CONFIRMED - X-Men Dark Phoenix Cancelled?

https://youtu.be/Pq2vLueYGO0

[RoadRunner220]

Age of Ultron is on TV tonight, BBC 10:20pm.

I've been meaning to watch it again for a while so this is nicely timed.

[Halb]

Oh good, thaks for heads up. I watched it at the cinema...thought it was OK...watched it again on telly...and thought it was much better than I remembered. I'll watch it again tonight to see if I still rate it.

[Halb]

Kevin Feige says "Rehire James Gunn" UPDATE

https://youtu.be/lXouS6BMJmc

GRace's latest take on the two dilemmas currently facing disney, what do do with the x-men film and Gunn rehire.
INteresting snippet, MCU has no other films lined up for 2020 save for GotG3...which hasn't started preproduction....and might not...

[Halb]

Bad idea
https://youtu.be/468RDhDEX-M