Westworld (NO SPOILERS)

[FourWheelDrift]

stuno1 said:

Scabutz said:

Not just me then. I enjoyed it but went crossed eyed. No idea what is going on. Also confused as to how the rest of S2 and if there is a S3 will pan out. If its all gone horribly tits up, how do they come back from that.

Agreed, also in the adverts for this season it showed Dolores in the real world? What I don't get is that this place is a closed dome right?.

There are 6 parks on the island, that could have been another one of them.

[tankplanker]

FourWheelDrift said:

Ford is still around in AI form as we saw from his child host version, I expect we might still see an adult host Ford too. He must have known about Charlotte's secret area and why were they taking DNA samples of the guests, could this be something to do with cloning? I see the island with all 6 parks on it may be in Chinese waters, that might play a bigger part later.

Being able to produce perfect clones of high worth individuals that you have a way of completely controlling remotely would be extremely attractive.

I don't remember the silver "eggs" that they removed from the hosts being revealed in season 1, did I miss that? It implies to me that the hosts are just that, hosts for the eggs that are controlling them, much like a parasite. So the (majority of) hosts bodies could be actual humans converted into hosts, as Ford mentioned they had to change the process of making hosts to reduce costs. What better way to reduce costs than reuse human bodies?

[JamieBeeston]

tankplanker said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Ford is still around in AI form as we saw from his child host version, I expect we might still see an adult host Ford too. He must have known about Charlotte's secret area and why were they taking DNA samples of the guests, could this be something to do with cloning? I see the island with all 6 parks on it may be in Chinese waters, that might play a bigger part later.

Being able to produce perfect clones of high worth individuals that you have a way of completely controlling remotely would be extremely attractive.

The DNA thing is interesting, as typically Id expect a host wouldn't have any (or unique) DNA, which would make this a very simple easy test to identify them, however as we saw with Bernard, he passed the DNA scanner test on the door handle, meaning he's been coded with DNA (one again would assume this was done to enable him to pass any security checks at Delos itself for the job) so the fact Hale is collecting DNA from guest experiences, would point towards a devious plan of replacing humans with hosts whom have matching DNA, like has happened with Bernard (and I'm sure a few more!)

[jingars]

JamieBeeston said:

The DNA thing is interesting, as typically Id expect a host wouldn't have any (or unique) DNA, which would make this a very simple easy test to identify them, however as we saw with Bernard, he passed the DNA scanner test on the door handle, meaning he's been coded with DNA (one again would assume this was done to enable him to pass any security checks at Delos itself for the job) so the fact Hale is collecting DNA from guest experiences, would point towards a devious plan of replacing humans with hosts whom have matching DNA, like has happened with Bernard (and I'm sure a few more!)

On the beach I thought that the Delos security team were checking for hosts using a handheld device:


The provision of DNA would not be necessary for run-of-the-mill park hosts. In addition to the DNA match I assume that any hosts destined to replace a human would need their NFC/Bluetooth broadcast facility turned off (as used by Bernard to locate Abernethy) as this would be something of a giveaway for a replacement.

[tankplanker]

JamieBeeston said:

The DNA thing is interesting, as typically Id expect a host wouldn't have any (or unique) DNA, which would make this a very simple easy test to identify them, however as we saw with Bernard, he passed the DNA scanner test on the door handle, meaning he's been coded with DNA (one again would assume this was done to enable him to pass any security checks at Delos itself for the job) so the fact Hale is collecting DNA from guest experiences, would point towards a devious plan of replacing humans with hosts whom have matching DNA, like has happened with Bernard (and I'm sure a few more!)

I suspect that the hosts collected DNA samples from the guests, either through sex, casual contact, violence and so on.

Assuming an actual constructed host, I would still expect them to use some form of DNA to build the "top" layer, it is just flesh. One of DNAs function is after all just advanced code for building organic matter. As the hosts look different, including different skin tone, then they would have different DNA.

For the hosts that were actual humans they would still have their actual human DNA present in all of their cells.

[Halb]

FourWheelDrift said:

Interesting that almost all of the trailer footage was from episode 1.

He said 6 parks, Westworld, Shogun World, if they follow the films Roman World, Medieval World, Future World and whatever Indian area world the Bengal Tiger came from then?

I'm guessing the Raj or something from the heyday of the INdus civilisation

[Halb]

Finally watched it now...some thoughts....

so it's most likely not on another planet, somewhere in the pacific maybe...but are the current nations still active so far into the future? Is the place Australia, or some terraformed mass?
Killing robots...how do they die? Hector was riddled with holes, yet MiB dispenses an attack by slashing the throat, doesn't need blood, and it wasn't that white gunk, so why did it stop? Is the stop motion software still partly working, or is it some firmware cord maybe...suppose I answered myself there.
Bernard was nicked, but didn't bleed, why not? And does that white gunk do more than lubricate? SOme sort of naniite stuff?
Has Ford uploaded hos consciousness to a robot?
Also, the board of directors woman, she had a secret bunker all along, who knew?
MiB has his own lil cottage somewhere, that's nice a d handy
SA doing they annoying vo tt thing at the ened again, and westword, needs a different style

[Halb]

tankplanker said:

suspect that the hosts collected DNA samples from the guests, either through sex, casual contact, violence and so on.

Assuming an actual constructed host, I would still expect them to use some form of DNA to build the "top" layer, it is just flesh. One of DNAs function is after all just advanced code for building organic matter. As the hosts look different, including different skin tone, then they would have different DNA.

For the hosts that were actual humans they would still have their actual human DNA present in all of their cells.

Pretty much what the Terminator is, living tissue over an artificial skeleton

[tankplanker]

Halb said:

Finally watched it now...some thoughts....

so it's most likely not on another planet, somewhere in the pacific maybe...but are the current nations still active so far into the future? Is the place Australia, or some terraformed mass?
Killing robots...how do they die? Hector was riddled with holes, yet MiB dispenses an attack by slashing the throat, doesn't need blood, and it wasn't that white gunk, so why did it stop? Is the stop motion software still partly working, or is it some firmware cord maybe...suppose I answered myself there.
Bernard was nicked, but didn't bleed, why not? And does that white gunk do more than lubricate? SOme sort of naniite stuff?
Has Ford uploaded hos consciousness to a robot?
Also, the board of directors woman, she had a secret bunker all along, who knew?
MiB has his own lil cottage somewhere, that's nice a d handy
SA doing they annoying vo tt thing at the ened again, and westword, needs a different style

I suspect Bernard is either one of the original "complicated" hosts or a new improved type, while the majority of other hosts are actual humans. Assuming the sliver eggs are controlling the bodies then they could turn off the body (die in otherwords) when the egg thinks it should die. If you alter the program then you could stop the egg from turning off the body from damage?

It would fit Ford's ego to have turned himself into an omnipresent God like entity that can move between hosts.

When the board of director woman (Charlotte Hale) logged in to the computer system in the bunker, she logged in using a host id, does that mean she is a host?

[poing]

I haven't read the comments here because I'm not sure if they would help or just confuse me more.

I can honestly say I have no bloody clue what the hell is going on. I'll sit and stare open mouthed at another couple before I accept my brain is dead by 9pm and it doesn't need a challenge to be entertained.

[skinny]

I thought I was getting up to speed by the end but I've poetically got it wrong.

The only thing I know for sure is that I wish someone kills Lee Sizemore.

[Halb]

tankplanker said:

suspect Bernard is either one of the original "complicated" hosts or a new improved type, while the majority of other hosts are actual humans. Assuming the sliver eggs are controlling the bodies then they could turn off the body (die in otherwords) when the egg thinks it should die. If you alter the program then you could stop the egg from turning off the body from damage?
It would fit Ford's ego to have turned himself into an omnipresent God like entity that can move between hosts.
When the board of director woman (Charlotte Hale) logged in to the computer system in the bunker, she logged in using a host id, does that mean she is a host?

I could believe Bernard is a special cyborg, like the 5 in BSG.
The washing machine tumbler could just be a memory depository thing.
I like the idea of Ford being in the mainframe

[FourWheelDrift]

Side-by-side comparison of series intros - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7flN3wS8pM

Might be clues in there, I'm thinking along the lines of the DNA. What is that being injected on the S2 titles at 26 secs? It's at a similar time to the eye being manufactured in S1.

[Aphex]

I thought it was just as good as season 1.

Opening on what could be a fresh Bernard being woken up by the furthest in the future Delores - awesome.

The way they're telling the story in Bernard's fractured way of thinking - awesome.

I love the way it keeps you guessing and pays you off for really getting headlong into it. I think that what we're watching is partly the original massacre that happened ~30 years ago mixed in with other timelines. Can't say anything for sure until we get more information to go on but with Bernard finishing Strand's sentences and seeing the soldiers shooting the same hosts twice over I think we've got to be witnessing his loop in some fashion.

I'm having a lot of fun already

[Arrius]

Just finishing season 1 (I know I am a bit late), I hope the second season is just as good. Pretty decent show.

[Scabutz]

FourWheelDrift said:

Side-by-side comparison of series intros - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7flN3wS8pM

Might be clues in there, I'm thinking along the lines of the DNA. What is that being injected on the S2 titles at 26 secs? It's at a similar time to the eye being manufactured in S1.

Interesting some scenes in the opening sequence are the same, but have clearly been re-animated. The 3d printing of the tendons on the horse for example, the muscles are a different size. Probably nothing but it stood out.

[Durzel]

Thought it was alright, but the absence of Anthony Hopkins has left a gaping hole.

[rasto]

FourWheelDrift said:

Side-by-side comparison of series intros - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7flN3wS8pM

Might be clues in there, I'm thinking along the lines of the DNA. What is that being injected on the S2 titles at 26 secs? It's at a similar time to the eye being manufactured in S1.

Interesting showing the mother and baby in the S2 version at the same time point as the couple 'coupling' - I wonder if they will cover the same AIs having/wanting children that was done in Galactica? Maybe the ties in with the DNA collection. This is one of the reasons I enjoy the show so much, it makes you think about what is going on

[rasto]

Did anyone spot this...

https://twitter.com/WestworldGifs/status/989142185...

[FourWheelDrift]

I don't know if it was an homage or coincidence but Delores leaving the guests with the nooses around their heads standing on the grave crosses is exactly how Clint left Tuco at the end of The Good the Bad and The Ugly. Although he came back and shot the rope.