Westworld (NO SPOILERS)
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I'm not getting the hate some people have for this season on some other boards. I thought it tied up mostly quite neatly. If a third season wasn't commissioned it wouldn't be too much of a shame...Dolores and Bernard in the real world could be left to your imagination and the end credit sequence with MiB was certainly fitting.
I liked the whole conversation around free will. Whilst searching for something about Ford describing our consciousness as a passenger to our primary drives (I think) I found this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/...
I liked the whole conversation around free will. Whilst searching for something about Ford describing our consciousness as a passenger to our primary drives (I think) I found this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/...
D-Angle said:
I'm forced to consider that BSG might be the best sci fi series I have ever watched. It explores some similar themes to Westworld (finding out you're not human etc) and I would have to say, Westworld didn't really stack up that well when watching the two side by side.
When looking around at what comes up to the quality of BSG, I too struggle, there isn't anything. And the acting! Brilliant. SOme of the stuff got wobbly in the middle when the moneymen a
holes put pressure on the producers to make more stand alone episodes, but thankfully they started to ignore them. I would have had a different ending, but it is what it is.Jesus, some of the arcs, that covered free will, what it is to be human, terrorism, good guys/bad guys, politics, democracy, feudalism, the military....difficult to think of any other programme actually that covered them all so well.
GM182 said:
I'm not getting the hate some people have for this season on some other boards. I thought it tied up mostly quite neatly. If a third season wasn't commissioned it wouldn't be too much of a shame...Dolores and Bernard in the real world could be left to your imagination and the end credit sequence with MiB was certainly fitting.
They did apparently film it so it would work as an "ending" - before they knew they were being asked to do another season. Must admit I was happy for it to end where it did - not entirely sure what a 3rd season will add. "Westworld not in the wild west" doesn't reeeeeeally grab me. I'd lost any sympathy for Delores through season 2 so to have her come back again at the end was a bit of an "oh no" moment. Far more powerful when BerNARD shot her. And to come back as Hale, who I hated...still, at least the Hale character per se is dead.Surely if MiB was going to be made into an immortal robot, he'd have asked to come back as younger William, not the craggy, failing older version. All eternity as someone in their late 60s? No ta...
Flip Martian said:
They did apparently film it so it would work as an "ending" - before they knew they were being asked to do another season. Must admit I was happy for it to end where it did - not entirely sure what a 3rd season will add. "Westworld not in the wild west" doesn't reeeeeeally grab me. I'd lost any sympathy for Delores through season 2 so to have her come back again at the end was a bit of an "oh no" moment. Far more powerful when BerNARD shot her. And to come back as Hale, who I hated...still, at least the Hale character per se is dead.
Surely if MiB was going to be made into an immortal robot, he'd have asked to come back as younger William, not the craggy, failing older version. All eternity as someone in their late 60s? No ta...
They are going to rebuild the park, Felix and friend were asked to check for any hosts that could be recoveted and reused.Surely if MiB was going to be made into an immortal robot, he'd have asked to come back as younger William, not the craggy, failing older version. All eternity as someone in their late 60s? No ta...
Halb said:
Don't see how they can be hosts, unless Delores has been carting around all the balls from their endings. We know it can't be the one from the cradle, and Teddy. And it's not Clem. Who else was there? PLus they were sparkly balls, that means a guest?
Because the hosts are backed up at the forge? FourWheelDrift said:
They are going to rebuild the park, Felix and friend were asked to check for any hosts that could be recoveted and reused.
Yeah I think the quote was something like "recover any worth recovering" so that would leave it open to bring back Maeve and the others. But, from that interview linked above though, it seems they're going to concentrate on what happens next with Bernard/Delores etc in the real world. And explore the other worlds not yet explored.MWM3 said:
Halb said:
Don't see how they can be hosts, unless Delores has been carting around all the balls from their endings. We know it can't be the one from the cradle, and Teddy. And it's not Clem. Who else was there? PLus they were sparkly balls, that means a guest?
Because the hosts are backed up at the forge? Oakey said:
Two hosts Vs the entirety of humanity. How's that going to work? Even with a host printer.
Get the right human...Trump? I reckon we'll see Floki againBernard was being asked about where Abernathy's brain ball key was, we were led to believe he had hidden it inside the dead Dolores (who was actually at that moment standing in the control room inside host Charlotte) the tech guy put the ball into the machine but said it wasn't right, there was too much information so it wasn't they key and it wasn't Dolores, it was something else. Something Bernard would have had time to put together during his Ford delusion building Charlhost. He might have downloaded data when he was connected to the cradle or it's all in the forge, but that ball they thought was the key was everything. If everything can be carried in one brain, then there's no problem in Bernard downloading it all with or without his knowledge when he was connected, via Ford, who was part of the download and the instigator of it as he showed Bernard around.
And William has been replaying his park experience in host form, only recently when he recovered from being shot many times has it been apparent and because the game has been made for him the programme has been adapted to give the appearance he is real. I think he must have been in the game no more than 10 to 20 years. What we have been watching is what happened from the original incident 30 years ago to just over 10 years later (based on Ake's time line). If his fidelity is needed then it is likely for business control needs, so he can't be too far ahead or his age would be suspicious, but who needs him, the humans or the hosts?
Well I got to the end. I think I'll leave it there, not at all impressed other than it looks and sounds amazing. Too many riddles and clever inferences, the free will debate was just pointless 6th form mental masturbation and its really lacking in a decent fiction narrative, don't care for any of the characters, human or robot.
Meh.
Meh.
JamieBeeston said:
Halb said:
Yeah, I like Westworld, but I don't really care. Didn't care that Lee killed himself.
You've watched the whole of BSG? How'd you like it?
Just binged it over 3 weeks for the 4th time.You've watched the whole of BSG? How'd you like it?
It's frakking phenomenal.. Left me feeling like I'd lost a family member when it ended.. it really draws you in!
14 yrs old, but still feels fresh!
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