Making A Murderer ***CONTAINS SPOILERS***
Discussion
Which brings us back nicely to Krantz's morals: what kind of legal professional goes on TV to describe graphically, without any proof whatsoever at that point that what he is saying is true, what happened to the victim?
How is that in any way going to help guarantee a fair trial? Oh, it's not?
How is that in any way going to help guarantee a fair trial? Oh, it's not?
Pommygranite said:
The guy might be a sleazy douche but it doesn't mean he would happily send an innocent man to jail for life, I mean c'mon.
I get it, I thought the prosecutor was a d
head but that inclusion was simply another angle to influence the viewer.
It was a great series but the manipulation of the audience is what is making me question that all may not be as the viewing seems.
I think it needs to be kept in mind that in 1985 a bunch of people did exactly thatI get it, I thought the prosecutor was a d
head but that inclusion was simply another angle to influence the viewer.It was a great series but the manipulation of the audience is what is making me question that all may not be as the viewing seems.
Something I found particularly galling in this case was the fact that Andrew Colbourn(sp) was present and working at the court during the trials.
I mean how the hell does that happen? How does it not occur to his bosses that maybe, just maybe in light of the total ststorm that happened previously, it might be a good idea to keep him away from anything to do with the Averys?
I mean how the hell does that happen? How does it not occur to his bosses that maybe, just maybe in light of the total s
tstorm that happened previously, it might be a good idea to keep him away from anything to do with the Averys?Just binged this over 2 days with the wife, utterly gripping
I can't say 100% he didn't do it (my gut says he didn't) but I was amazed the jury convicted him
Most of my thoughts have been covered but all through I thought there was something off with the ex boyfriend and brother of Teresa, her videos were more than odd as well.
Colborn and Lenk are dodgier than anything I have ever seen (not sure Lenk not being signed in to the Rav 4 site but signed out has been mentioned much)
I think he civil suit shouldn't be overlooked either, I don't think the cops killed her but I do think $36 million dollars that the county would have had to pay themselves would be a HELL of a motive to stitch him up
My current theory is along the lines of a suicide or murder by Ex Boyfriend/SA brother. Colborn lucks out and finds the Rav 4 with her inside (hence the call) and the frame up begins there.
Utterly gripping and I'll be watching any new developments
I can't say 100% he didn't do it (my gut says he didn't) but I was amazed the jury convicted him
Most of my thoughts have been covered but all through I thought there was something off with the ex boyfriend and brother of Teresa, her videos were more than odd as well.
Colborn and Lenk are dodgier than anything I have ever seen (not sure Lenk not being signed in to the Rav 4 site but signed out has been mentioned much)
I think he civil suit shouldn't be overlooked either, I don't think the cops killed her but I do think $36 million dollars that the county would have had to pay themselves would be a HELL of a motive to stitch him up
My current theory is along the lines of a suicide or murder by Ex Boyfriend/SA brother. Colborn lucks out and finds the Rav 4 with her inside (hence the call) and the frame up begins there.
Utterly gripping and I'll be watching any new developments
I don't think anyone can say if he guilty or not guilty.
I think the documentary just shows how flawed the whole process was.
this is a once in a lifetime program to capture the essence of a story as it unfolds is a rare thing, which makes it all the better to watch. it also gives a glimpse into a culture that seems pretty corrupt.
I think the documentary just shows how flawed the whole process was.
this is a once in a lifetime program to capture the essence of a story as it unfolds is a rare thing, which makes it all the better to watch. it also gives a glimpse into a culture that seems pretty corrupt.
My niece got me into this as she wants to work for the Police and so is interested in anything crime related.
It really was like the craziest, most bonkers Hollywood movie you've ever seen...except it was real. Just when you thought everything was wrapped up there'd be a WTF! moment.
Here's my thoughts:
Steven Avery wasn't perfect. I must admit the animal cruelty left a bad taste in my mouth and the shotgun incident with his cousin hinted at a darker side.
The Avery's in general didn't "fit in" with the rest of the Manitowoc community and were perhaps a little eccentric and insular.
The Manitowoc County Sherrif's Department are surely one of the most corrupt, unprofessional and agenda-driven police forces in the US? The treatment of Brendan Dassey was a disgrace!
Ditto the Calumet County Justice Department, who saw fit to employ a District Attorney that thought it was acceptable to sext and harrass rape victims he was representing.
There appeared to be a presumption of guilt from the beginning and an agenda of "Nobody get's one over on the Sheriff/district attorney in Wisconsin"
Theresa Halbach's brother annoyed the st out of me and I don't think he was as clean cut as he made out. I can't say why, but there was just something about him that others may be able to explain more clearly.
Overall an excellent series and an eye-opener into the US justice system.
It really was like the craziest, most bonkers Hollywood movie you've ever seen...except it was real. Just when you thought everything was wrapped up there'd be a WTF! moment.
Here's my thoughts:
Steven Avery wasn't perfect. I must admit the animal cruelty left a bad taste in my mouth and the shotgun incident with his cousin hinted at a darker side.
The Avery's in general didn't "fit in" with the rest of the Manitowoc community and were perhaps a little eccentric and insular.
The Manitowoc County Sherrif's Department are surely one of the most corrupt, unprofessional and agenda-driven police forces in the US? The treatment of Brendan Dassey was a disgrace!
Ditto the Calumet County Justice Department, who saw fit to employ a District Attorney that thought it was acceptable to sext and harrass rape victims he was representing.
There appeared to be a presumption of guilt from the beginning and an agenda of "Nobody get's one over on the Sheriff/district attorney in Wisconsin"
Theresa Halbach's brother annoyed the s
t out of me and I don't think he was as clean cut as he made out. I can't say why, but there was just something about him that others may be able to explain more clearly.Overall an excellent series and an eye-opener into the US justice system.
Pommygranite said:
It'd be interesting to find out why the Averys didn't fit in and what their history is.
Think that there's a lot more to their history to justify the hate.
It's purely my own observation, but from watching the series, Manitowoc County seemed to be largely a farming community where everyone knew everyone's business. Think that there's a lot more to their history to justify the hate.
The Avery's were in the scrap metal/car salvage trade and generally kept their world to to family/extended family and seemed to not integrate with the rest of the community.
I'd hazard a guess that in small-town, hick America that would rub people up the wrong way and perhaps make them suspicious and resentful of the Avery's?
Court documents/transcripts/evidence/photos if you can be arsed to read them all
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/photos/
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/keydocuments/
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/exhibits/
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/jurytrialtranscript...
I assume it's legit.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/photos/
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/keydocuments/
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/exhibits/
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/jurytrialtranscript...
I assume it's legit.
Did anyone else think this?
Binge-watched in the last few days.. Terrific series. I agree with other posters that whether they were guilty or not there should have been no way that they were convicted on the basis of the prosecution cases as presented. Not a great advert for the Manitowoc County Tourist Board was it!
Binge-watched in the last few days.. Terrific series. I agree with other posters that whether they were guilty or not there should have been no way that they were convicted on the basis of the prosecution cases as presented. Not a great advert for the Manitowoc County Tourist Board was it!
Edited by gregd on Tuesday 26th January 09:40
jogger1976 said:
Pommygranite said:
It'd be interesting to find out why the Averys didn't fit in and what their history is.
Think that there's a lot more to their history to justify the hate.
It's purely my own observation, but from watching the series, Manitowoc County seemed to be largely a farming community where everyone knew everyone's business. Think that there's a lot more to their history to justify the hate.
The Avery's were in the scrap metal/car salvage trade and generally kept their world to to family/extended family and seemed to not integrate with the rest of the community.
I'd hazard a guess that in small-town, hick America that would rub people up the wrong way and perhaps make them suspicious and resentful of the Avery's?
gregd said:
uncle tez said:
Whilst googling the series I found a lot of people comparing it to another show called The Jinx. Has anybody watched it ? If so is it worth watching ?
Definitely worth watching.. similarly gripping with a lot of WTF moments!Challo said:
I do think Avery killed her, but there is lots of holes in the states evidence and I do think evidence was doctored/planted to ensure a conviction.
There is lots of thing that just seemed to be a coincidence or just happened to appear at the right time.
I dont think he did.There is lots of thing that just seemed to be a coincidence or just happened to appear at the right time.
If you had done it what would you do with the body? I tell you what i would do. 1 hr drive from Manitowoc and you are in the middle of nowhere... drive the car/body there.... set on fire with lots of petrol.
Why did he think that leaving the car in the lot and burying the body 10meters from his house would be a good idea.
thebraketester said:
I dont think he did.
If you had done it what would you do with the body? I tell you what i would do. 1 hr drive from Manitowoc and you are in the middle of nowhere... drive the car/body there.... set on fire with lots of petrol.
Why did he think that leaving the car in the lot and burying the body 10meters from his house would be a good idea.
Because not the brightest spark in the world?If you had done it what would you do with the body? I tell you what i would do. 1 hr drive from Manitowoc and you are in the middle of nowhere... drive the car/body there.... set on fire with lots of petrol.
Why did he think that leaving the car in the lot and burying the body 10meters from his house would be a good idea.
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