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Also, related to my previous post, does anyone else think that
Winston’s super-duper algo process could be instrumental in any takedown of Prince?
Seems a bit odd to bring the character back for a cameo if he/it isn’t going to be involved in some way. Possibly related to what I speculated about Prince being ‘off the grid’ when the liquidated cash is about to be reinvested?
Winston’s super-duper algo process could be instrumental in any takedown of Prince?
Seems a bit odd to bring the character back for a cameo if he/it isn’t going to be involved in some way. Possibly related to what I speculated about Prince being ‘off the grid’ when the liquidated cash is about to be reinvested?
Fifty said:
Also, related to my previous post, does anyone else think that
Winston’s super-duper algo process could be instrumental in any takedown of Prince?
Seems a bit odd to bring the character back for a cameo if he/it isn’t going to be involved in some way. Possibly related to what I speculated about Prince being ‘off the grid’ when the liquidated cash is about to be reinvested?
Yes, otherwise as you say it was a bit pointless bringing him back. Winston’s super-duper algo process could be instrumental in any takedown of Prince?
Seems a bit odd to bring the character back for a cameo if he/it isn’t going to be involved in some way. Possibly related to what I speculated about Prince being ‘off the grid’ when the liquidated cash is about to be reinvested?
I think all of their funds will be transferred to the new AxeCap, so they are all OK. Prince will either be elected president or close to it but something goes on, including involving the VP woman. She's in on the scheme and will help to take him down from the inside, resulting in her become POTUS (possibly POTUS elect). The series will end with her as POTUS/POTUS elect, Wags etc all back working for Axe and Axe & Chuck having a friendly "here we are again..." type exchange and the series is brought full circle.
i4got said:
LF5335 said:
Looks like it’s ep 11 on Friday 20/10 as usual then the finale on Sunday 22/10
According to Now TV, the finale is on Friday not today. Is it different on Sky?Fifty said:
Just watched the penultimate episode.
Also, look back to the first episode of this series - Prince storms into MPC and throws a printer through a window. That’s not been referenced since - I think that scene might be a ‘spoiler’ for the whole series. Maybe.
MrsC keeps referencing that too - we've seen nothing of it since Ep 1. Can't have been shot just for nothing. Also, look back to the first episode of this series - Prince storms into MPC and throws a printer through a window. That’s not been referenced since - I think that scene might be a ‘spoiler’ for the whole series. Maybe.
-Cappo- said:
Fifty said:
Just watched the penultimate episode.
Also, look back to the first episode of this series - Prince storms into MPC and throws a printer through a window. That’s not been referenced since - I think that scene might be a ‘spoiler’ for the whole series. Maybe.
MrsC keeps referencing that too - we've seen nothing of it since Ep 1. Can't have been shot just for nothing. Also, look back to the first episode of this series - Prince storms into MPC and throws a printer through a window. That’s not been referenced since - I think that scene might be a ‘spoiler’ for the whole series. Maybe.
Fifty said:
Also, related to my previous post, does anyone else think that
Winston’s super-duper algo process could be instrumental in any takedown of Prince?
Seems a bit odd to bring the character back for a cameo if he/it isn’t going to be involved in some way. Possibly related to what I speculated about Prince being ‘off the grid’ when the liquidated cash is about to be reinvested?
Rian was always close to Winston and I’m wondering if those two have some interlinked (or possibly separate) plan going on as she’s buggered off on some sort of hippy trip to Morocco. She specifically mentioned countries that don’t have extradition with the US and good places to hide, pay little tax, but be welcomed as a mega-wealthy type. Taylor hinting that she’d seen how much had been withdrawn from her accounts as well. Also the “thanks for bringing me in” comment from Rian, it could just be a general thanks, or something specific to this, especially as they want to protect their friends whilst bringing Prince down. That or I’m reading way too much into this Winston’s super-duper algo process could be instrumental in any takedown of Prince?
Seems a bit odd to bring the character back for a cameo if he/it isn’t going to be involved in some way. Possibly related to what I speculated about Prince being ‘off the grid’ when the liquidated cash is about to be reinvested?
Corey Stoll plays Prince as a fundamentally alright sort of bloke. The only questionable things he’s shown to have done are getting his wife’s lover taken captive and stealing the self repairing concrete idea.
I don’t think the story has done nearly enough to show him as being dangerously unstable and not suited for office
I don’t think the story has done nearly enough to show him as being dangerously unstable and not suited for office
highway said:
Corey Stoll plays Prince as a fundamentally alright sort of bloke. The only questionable things he’s shown to have done are getting his wife’s lover taken captive and stealing the self repairing concrete idea.
I don’t think the story has done nearly enough to show him as being dangerously unstable and not suited for office
I think it mostly comes from 'The Oracle' AKA Wendy, and we're supposed to just accept it. She sees his almost unlimited resources and resilience combined with an over-blown, God complex ego as the worst mix for President. I don’t think the story has done nearly enough to show him as being dangerously unstable and not suited for office
They have evolved the character a lot. After all, the Series was supposed to end 2 series ago with Axe losing, but finding a ‘win’ at the last moment. He came in as the anti-Axe, driven by morality, not greed. In Series 6 and 7 he’s become so self-righteous he can’t even contemplate he may be wrong. The way he treats his employees, he’s obviously paranoid, the rings the hidden CCTV etc, and expects absolute loyalty and obedience. He’s surrounded himself with sycophants all competing to be closer to Prince. You can see it in the way he treated his Wife’s side-piece, he didn’t give him up just because he was the wife’s BF, he tried to hide that from her, not even because it benefited him, in so-much that he was absolutely sure that leaving him out to dry to get him into the White House was the greater good for America and the world.
Some people think he’s based on Trump and there are some elements of that, but I think a closer match is Elon Musk. Elon believes his own hype and the almost mythical stories about himself. Luckily Musk can’t run for POTUS.
Fifty said:
Other than openly admit that he'd quite happily pull the nuke trigger first?
If he was certain the other side were about to, which I have some sympathy with. If you know 100% the other side are about to nuke you, why wait? And besides, isn't that the right thing to say to ensure the nuclear deterrent remains a deterrent?Either way, it doesn't portray him as so beyond the pale of even a typical politician that he must be stopped at any cost. In my opinion.
Kevin Cozner said:
If he was certain the other side were about to, which I have some sympathy with. If you know 100% the other side are about to nuke you, why wait? And besides, isn't that the right thing to say to ensure the nuclear deterrent remains a deterrent?
Either way, it doesn't portray him as so beyond the pale of even a typical politician that he must be stopped at any cost. In my opinion.
The buck stops here - Truman. This wasn’t enough for him Either way, it doesn't portray him as so beyond the pale of even a typical politician that he must be stopped at any cost. In my opinion.
I am the buck.
The whole point is you’re supposed to see a megalomaniac who is so far removed from reality that he’ll do anything to stay in power aka Trump.
If you want to show he’s a bad guy, then show he’s a really bad guy. That’s not been done here and they have had ample time to do so. Could have shown him being vindictive, spiteful and a load of other ‘baddie’ terms.
It’s just not been done.
And nearly every cast member speaks in the same fast, clipped, pointy sort of way. With some adding in pop culture references to try and sound modern.
It’s been a good series but it’s definitely run its course.
Axes wife just disappeared and Taylor went from co- star to generic ensemble cast member.
Prince seems no more diabolical than Chuck. Or Axe
It’s just not been done.
And nearly every cast member speaks in the same fast, clipped, pointy sort of way. With some adding in pop culture references to try and sound modern.
It’s been a good series but it’s definitely run its course.
Axes wife just disappeared and Taylor went from co- star to generic ensemble cast member.
Prince seems no more diabolical than Chuck. Or Axe
I think what they’ve done is make it clear that Prince is the bad guy, whilst not being that bad really. He’s not got any truly redeeming features, just that you feel a bit sorry for him. Whereas the Axe vs Chuck aspect was more nuanced. You liked both, you wanted both to win, you also disliked both and wanted both to lose. They were likeable fleshed out characters, Prince isn’t, he’s just a foil to end the series.
I agree it ran its course about 2 series back, now it’s just turned a bit too pop culture, obscure US celebrities for anyone outside the US and super fast “aren’t we sooooo clever” talking.
I agree it ran its course about 2 series back, now it’s just turned a bit too pop culture, obscure US celebrities for anyone outside the US and super fast “aren’t we sooooo clever” talking.
highway said:
Corey Stoll plays Prince as a fundamentally alright sort of bloke. The only questionable things he’s shown to have done are getting his wife’s lover taken captive and stealing the self repairing concrete idea.
I don’t think the story has done nearly enough to show him as being dangerously unstable and not suited for office
Remember the billions in crypto he had hidden? That was rather naughty, although he ended up losing itI don’t think the story has done nearly enough to show him as being dangerously unstable and not suited for office
A very late , latecomer to the Billions party. Saw this thread surface a few days ago having never heard of it. I read a few posts with intrigue and as I was out for the count with (man)flu I figured it could be a decent watch.
Have binge watched the 1st series and halfway through the second in about 3 days. Loving it!
(I have to admit to regularly rewinding a lot due to slipping into sleep. And had to put on subtitles at some points as the voices were a bit mumbled so I couldn’t clearly hear what they were saying)
Looking forward to more!
Have binge watched the 1st series and halfway through the second in about 3 days. Loving it!
(I have to admit to regularly rewinding a lot due to slipping into sleep. And had to put on subtitles at some points as the voices were a bit mumbled so I couldn’t clearly hear what they were saying)
Looking forward to more!
The early series (2/3) of Billions, I found myself constantly having to Google things because I’m not very au fait with the world of financial jargon (that was a good thing) not many TV series had/have me doing this.
Latterly it’s become dumbed down; sure it’s had its high points (Chuck’s dalliances, etc.) but just seemed to have run out of steam.
Fortunately season 7 seems to have got it mojo back, while no where near as enjoyable as the early seasons, it’s still a decent watch.
Latterly it’s become dumbed down; sure it’s had its high points (Chuck’s dalliances, etc.) but just seemed to have run out of steam.
Fortunately season 7 seems to have got it mojo back, while no where near as enjoyable as the early seasons, it’s still a decent watch.
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