Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS

[llewop]

Calza said:

I'm really disappointed that the mad professors ultimate secret weapon against dragons is a fking ballista. Seriously?!

yeah - fine against a stationary dead dragons skull - but going to need a good guidance system/luck to tag a flying dragon!

And even if successful; very much doubt a second shot can be loaded before second, pissed off because you've just killed its sibling, dragon arrives all fire and brimstone!

[glazbagun]

I thought it was passable but agree that the whole thing feels rushed. The battle seemed a bit convenient with Euron finding Yaras (faster?) ship before she even knew they were under attack. Thought the sand snakes did better than with Bronn & Jamie.

Cersei seems very alone but a few good battles would see the end of that. I can see Tarly betraying Cersei and Jamie killing her.

Also thought the hotpie scene was a bit off. She seemed to care more about Nymeria. Was the looking into the wolfs eyes a hint of animal telepathy, or are we seeing Aria gradually let her guard down and return to being a girl again. She also clearly likes a drink now. Somethinh not right with her though who knows if it's intentional after the way she was stabbed by the wraith.

Liked the conversation with Olena. John/littlefinger reminded me of Ned outside the brothel. LF will end up in his nest with him away.

[robemcdonald]

Underwhelmed again. Lots of nothing much happening before someone turned up for some pointless exposition. "She has dragons, dragons breath fire, fire kills walkers" do we really need this spelt out?
The avengers assembled at dragonstone. Tyrion is Nick Fury?
I am quite enjoying the scenes at the citadel though. Purely because for the first two episodes they have had me hiding behind a cushion in the style of a eight year old watching Dr Who.
As for the battle at the end? Once again we had a demonstration of how absolutely rubbish the sand snakes are. I assume they were a force to be reckoned with in the books? Well at least we won't have to worry about them anymore. Theon went full retard. Never go full retard. The battle itself was fairly dull done at night to save money as well. Euron feels like a very poor substitute for Ramsey. Nowhere near as interesting.
Final insult? The dragon killing cross bow. Just imagine it in action;
"Right lads. Let's take aim at that fast moving dragon"
"It's too fast boss"
"Hurry up then"
"Ok boss"
"Fire!"
"Oh bugger. We missed. Reload"
"Boss the dragon is looking at us...."
"Bugger"
Still I'm sure at least one of the dragons will end up with a stupid death by cross bow.

There are only seven episodes this year. They took six months longer to make fewer episodes and so far the quality is pretty poor. If the first series was this quality none of us would still be watching.
I would say this weeks episode is a solid 6/10

I'm hoping things are going to improve.

[Moley RUFC]

Oh dear what has happened to GoT.....

It just seems to have changed so drastically since last season. There is a childish element to it that spells out the obvious or rushes through to a conclusion in minutes summed up perfectly by the note being sent by raven to Jon Snow to meet with the queen of dragons - hey presto very next scene Jon is reading it. That scene needed more Yodel and less Amazon Prime.

The same could be said about a number of incidents too sadly ; the attack at the end, Sam and his magic greyscale skills and the whirlwind Avengers style battle plans around the table at Dragonstone...

[JagLover]

Moley RUFC said:

Oh dear what has happened to GoT.....

What happened is that last season they ran out of both book material and what could reasonable be inferred would happen in future books based on where the books had left things. Also they themselves wisely cut out allot of extraneous plotlines.

They now have to complete the series from, as I understand it, some long conversations with GRRM rather than detailed notes.

It is all about moving the pieces into position for the end game with as much skill and finesse as possible.

People complain about it being rushed but all they may have to go on is. "Dany sails from Essos and takes Kings Landing" and from this they have to construct a season.

[JagLover]

robemcdonald said:

Final insult? The dragon killing cross bow. Just imagine it in action;
"Right lads. Let's take aim at that fast moving dragon"
"It's too fast boss"
"Hurry up then"
"Ok boss"
"Fire!"
"Oh bugger. We missed. Reload"
"Boss the dragon is looking at us...."
"Bugger"
Still I'm sure at least one of the dragons will end up with a stupid death by cross bow.
.

But still realistically the only weapon that might work. That was why Aegon was able to take the seven kingdoms with 3 dragons and a few thousand men.

[Steve vRS]

RoadRunner220 said:

skahigh said:

Halb said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Butter Face said:

Is Yara dead or not?

Yara and Elaria are the gift for Cersei.

Well that's rather straight forward, I was hoping it'd be a dragon.

I was expecting it would be Tyrion's head.

Yeah, I thought he might be talking about Tyrion as well

+ Almost everyone!

[Woody]

Moley RUFC said:

Oh dear what has happened to GoT.....

It just seems to have changed so drastically since last season. There is a childish element to it that spells out the obvious or rushes through to a conclusion in minutes summed up perfectly by the note being sent by raven to Jon Snow to meet with the queen of dragons - hey presto very next scene Jon is reading it. That scene needed more Yodel and less Amazon Prime.

The same could be said about a number of incidents too sadly ; the attack at the end, Sam and his magic greyscale skills and the whirlwind Avengers style battle plans around the table at Dragonstone...

Christ I hope not - if it was Yodel they'd have left it with a neighbour and not put the card through his door - only to discover it once a Whyte attack had begun.....

[lemmingjames]

glazbagun said:

I thought it was passable but agree that the whole thing feels rushed. The battle seemed a bit convenient with Euron finding Yaras (faster?) ship before she even knew they were under attack. Thought the sand snakes did better than with Bronn & Jamie.

Cersei seems very alone but a few good battles would see the end of that. I can see Tarly betraying Cersei and Jamie killing her.

Also thought the hotpie scene was a bit off. She seemed to care more about Nymeria. Was the looking into the wolfs eyes a hint of animal telepathy, or are we seeing Aria gradually let her guard down and return to being a girl again. She also clearly likes a drink now. Somethinh not right with her though who knows if it's intentional after the way she was stabbed by the wraith.

Liked the conversation with Olena. John/littlefinger reminded me of Ned outside the brothel. LF will end up in his nest with him away.

in the book, she has warg abilities. In the book, instead of fighting waif in the dark, she fights the teacher (not to death but with sticks) while blind. Somehow a cat gets into the room and she is able to see via the cat and fights back against the teacher who is shocked and asks her how, and there ends her tale in the book.

She also had dreams of running with a pack of wolfs when she was with the hound.

I took the Nymeria turning away and heading back down South as being a sign to Ayra in that she should do the same

[Sway]

lemmingjames said:

glazbagun said:

I thought it was passable but agree that the whole thing feels rushed. The battle seemed a bit convenient with Euron finding Yaras (faster?) ship before she even knew they were under attack. Thought the sand snakes did better than with Bronn & Jamie.

Cersei seems very alone but a few good battles would see the end of that. I can see Tarly betraying Cersei and Jamie killing her.

Also thought the hotpie scene was a bit off. She seemed to care more about Nymeria. Was the looking into the wolfs eyes a hint of animal telepathy, or are we seeing Aria gradually let her guard down and return to being a girl again. She also clearly likes a drink now. Somethinh not right with her though who knows if it's intentional after the way she was stabbed by the wraith.

Liked the conversation with Olena. John/littlefinger reminded me of Ned outside the brothel. LF will end up in his nest with him away.

in the book, she has warg abilities. In the book, instead of fighting waif in the dark, she fights the teacher (not to death but with sticks) while blind. Somehow a cat gets into the room and she is able to see via the cat and fights back against the teacher who is shocked and asks her how, and there ends her tale in the book.

She also had dreams of running with a pack of wolfs when she was with the hound.

I took the Nymeria turning away and heading back down South as being a sign to Ayra in that she should do the same

When she said "it's not you" I saw two possible meanings. One is that Nymeria has built her own life with her own pack, and becoming Arya's pet again is no longer her.

The other is that the training Arya has done, as well as her actions since, have somehow shifted her away from being the Stark that deserves a direwolf.

Personally, I think the former. However, I don't think this means that Nymeria is finished with Arya, and will come back when she needs the help...

Were Arya's direwolf dreams in the show?

[robemcdonald]

JagLover said:

robemcdonald said:

Final insult? The dragon killing cross bow. Just imagine it in action;
"Right lads. Let's take aim at that fast moving dragon"
"It's too fast boss"
"Hurry up then"
"Ok boss"
"Fire!"
"Oh bugger. We missed. Reload"
"Boss the dragon is looking at us...."
"Bugger"
Still I'm sure at least one of the dragons will end up with a stupid death by cross bow.
.

But still realistically the only weapon that might work. That was why Aegon was able to take the seven kingdoms with 3 dragons and a few thousand men.

It depends how they apply physics. In the real world the weapon would have a range of a couple of hundred feet at very best.

[MartG]

llewop said:

Calza said:

I'm really disappointed that the mad professors ultimate secret weapon against dragons is a fking ballista. Seriously?!

yeah - fine against a stationary dead dragons skull - but going to need a good guidance system/luck to tag a flying dragon!

Maybe he's got a bloke called Bard to shoot it

[London424]

Interesting theory about Sam. Obviously no actual spoilers but does provide some thoughts on possible endings, so if you don't want to think that far then don't click.

https://theringer.com/sam-tarly-george-rr-martin-a...

[ZesPak]

robemcdonald said:

It depends how they apply physics. In the real world the weapon would have a range of a couple of hundred feet at very best.

You'd also have no dragons to worry about.

[ZesPak]

robemcdonald said:

Underwhelmed again. Lots of nothing much happening before someone turned up for some pointless exposition. "She has dragons, dragons breath fire, fire kills walkers" do we really need this spelt out?
The avengers assembled at dragonstone. Tyrion is Nick Fury?
I am quite enjoying the scenes at the citadel though. Purely because for the first two episodes they have had me hiding behind a cushion in the style of a eight year old watching Dr Who.
As for the battle at the end? Once again we had a demonstration of how absolutely rubbish the sand snakes are. I assume they were a force to be reckoned with in the books? Well at least we won't have to worry about them anymore. Theon went full retard. Never go full retard. The battle itself was fairly dull done at night to save money as well. Euron feels like a very poor substitute for Ramsey. Nowhere near as interesting.
Final insult? The dragon killing cross bow. Just imagine it in action;
"Right lads. Let's take aim at that fast moving dragon"
"It's too fast boss"
"Hurry up then"
"Ok boss"
"Fire!"
"Oh bugger. We missed. Reload"
"Boss the dragon is looking at us...."
"Bugger"
Still I'm sure at least one of the dragons will end up with a stupid death by cross bow.

There are only seven episodes this year. They took six months longer to make fewer episodes and so far the quality is pretty poor. If the first series was this quality none of us would still be watching.
I would say this weeks episode is a solid 6/10

I'm hoping things are going to improve.

I think it depends on how many they can make tbh.
If it was one, it would be pretty ridiculous (see: the Hobbit), but if they could flood king's landing with them or make them mobile, even a couple of dozen, they'd stand a chance of hitting one.

It's a big iron rod, even hitting a dragon in the wing with it could send it to the ground, which could make all the difference.


Still liking the theory of the White Walker raising his hands and waking a dead dragon though .

[4x4Tyke]

The upwards curve of the land in the open credits is still intriguing, could Westeros be inside a Dyson Sphere?

So many new reveals and plot developments, practically one every scene.

Danny's sudden suspicions of Varys, has she learnt something or a hint of madness? No mention of what the Dothraki are up to, but we've seen them in action in the trailer. Danny using Tyrion's "queen of ashes" sound bite.

Jon going to see Danny, will he bend knee or earn her respect by refusing.

Jorah & Sam, could the dragon glass cure, offer some kind of protection against white walkers? A family reunion between Jorah and Lady Mormont, seems on the cards.

The Sand snakes dead, Ellaria and Yara captured. I don't get why was Euron so resilient, arrow in the neck and stabbed repeatedly, yet seeming impervious, that didn't really make sense for me.

Yara has allowed her forces to be ambushed and decimated, the best ships of the Iron Fleet. I'm not convinced this is Theon's final fall from grace, yes he fled, but was he thinking strategically? Yara had already lost the battle, but he will live to fight another day and rescue Yara, his redemption will be complete. The Dornish army is neutralised while their Queen remains hostage, but will Cersei put revenge before strategic thinking.

Still no information on Gendry, he is too important to be hidden for much longer, is he the only a good suitor for Sansa. Have they ever met?

Hot Pie and Arya, surprising she hasn't learnt this sooner, perhaps lost in her single minded pursuit, can't help thinking he has cursed himself with his departing words.

Edited by 4x4Tyke on Tuesday 25th July 10:11

[Sycamore]

Sway said:

lemmingjames said:

glazbagun said:

I thought it was passable but agree that the whole thing feels rushed. The battle seemed a bit convenient with Euron finding Yaras (faster?) ship before she even knew they were under attack. Thought the sand snakes did better than with Bronn & Jamie.

Cersei seems very alone but a few good battles would see the end of that. I can see Tarly betraying Cersei and Jamie killing her.

Also thought the hotpie scene was a bit off. She seemed to care more about Nymeria. Was the looking into the wolfs eyes a hint of animal telepathy, or are we seeing Aria gradually let her guard down and return to being a girl again. She also clearly likes a drink now. Somethinh not right with her though who knows if it's intentional after the way she was stabbed by the wraith.

Liked the conversation with Olena. John/littlefinger reminded me of Ned outside the brothel. LF will end up in his nest with him away.

in the book, she has warg abilities. In the book, instead of fighting waif in the dark, she fights the teacher (not to death but with sticks) while blind. Somehow a cat gets into the room and she is able to see via the cat and fights back against the teacher who is shocked and asks her how, and there ends her tale in the book.

She also had dreams of running with a pack of wolfs when she was with the hound.

I took the Nymeria turning away and heading back down South as being a sign to Ayra in that she should do the same

When she said "it's not you" I saw two possible meanings. One is that Nymeria has built her own life with her own pack, and becoming Arya's pet again is no longer her.

The other is that the training Arya has done, as well as her actions since, have somehow shifted her away from being the Stark that deserves a direwolf.

Personally, I think the former. However, I don't think this means that Nymeria is finished with Arya, and will come back when she needs the help...

Were Arya's direwolf dreams in the show?

I took the "It's not you" as a subtle nod to Arya's early conversations with Ned.
Ned always told Arya she'd marry a nobleman and she'd become a Lady, and she'd always respond "That's not me".

Likewise, in the books, Arya has animal focussed dreams like Bran and has a much stronger bond with the wolf. The book tells of a scene with Nymeria leading an enormous wolf pack attacking the Stark enemies.

[Zetec-S]

ZesPak said:

robemcdonald said:

It depends how they apply physics. In the real world the weapon would have a range of a couple of hundred feet at very best.

You'd also have no dragons to worry about.

glazbagun said:

Cersei seems very alone but a few good battles would see the end of that. I can see Tarly betraying Cersei and Jamie killing her.

This is an interesting idea, something I hadn't thought of before. Kings Landing under siege, Cersei threatening to burn the city to the ground rather than surrendering, and Jamie repeating his past and becoming the "Queenslayer"?

[Halb]

The show waited to film to get more scenes of winter.

JagLover said:

But still realistically the only weapon that might work. That was why Aegon was able to take the seven kingdoms with 3 dragons and a few thousand men.

Arrows in the eyes would do it. Where's Anguy?

JagLover said:

What happened is that last season they ran out of both book material and what could reasonable be inferred would happen in future books based on where the books had left things. Also they themselves wisely cut out allot of extraneous plotlines.

I reckon they were unwise to cut out the details and some plot points, because in my opinion that's where the decline starts, around S5.

Here is an interesting vid on changes.
Game of Thrones - Top 10 Best & Worst Changes from the Books
https://youtu.be/exybIkDDfrY

JagLover said:

But still realistically the only weapon that might work. That was why Aegon was able to take the seven kingdoms with 3 dragons and a few thousand men.

Ageon never took Dorne, somehow the Dornish were able to withstand the attacks, hence the special arrangement with Dorne. Three of the kingdoms simply didn't even bother to fight too, the lil bot of the speech that Tywin talks about Harren was a factor there...ahh back in the glory days.


Preston's Game of Thrones Season Seven Watch - Season 7 Episode 2 Stormborn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ABRLGMsFIw

[Halb]

ZesPak said:

robemcdonald said:

Underwhelmed again. Lots of nothing much happening before someone turned up for some pointless exposition. "She has dragons, dragons breath fire, fire kills walkers" do we really need this spelt out?
The avengers assembled at dragonstone. Tyrion is Nick Fury?
I am quite enjoying the scenes at the citadel though. Purely because for the first two episodes they have had me hiding behind a cushion in the style of a eight year old watching Dr Who.
As for the battle at the end? Once again we had a demonstration of how absolutely rubbish the sand snakes are. I assume they were a force to be reckoned with in the books? Well at least we won't have to worry about them anymore. Theon went full retard. Never go full retard. The battle itself was fairly dull done at night to save money as well. Euron feels like a very poor substitute for Ramsey. Nowhere near as interesting.
Final insult? The dragon killing cross bow. Just imagine it in action;
"Right lads. Let's take aim at that fast moving dragon"
"It's too fast boss"
"Hurry up then"
"Ok boss"
"Fire!"
"Oh bugger. We missed. Reload"
"Boss the dragon is looking at us...."
"Bugger"
Still I'm sure at least one of the dragons will end up with a stupid death by cross bow.

There are only seven episodes this year. They took six months longer to make fewer episodes and so far the quality is pretty poor. If the first series was this quality none of us would still be watching.
I would say this weeks episode is a solid 6/10

I'm hoping things are going to improve.

I think it depends on how many they can make tbh.
If it was one, it would be pretty ridiculous (see: the Hobbit), but if they could flood king's landing with them or make them mobile, even a couple of dozen, they'd stand a chance of hitting one.

It's a big iron rod, even hitting a dragon in the wing with it could send it to the ground, which could make all the difference.


Still liking the theory of the White Walker raising his hands and waking a dead dragon though .

As soon as they revealed that, I started thinki9ng tactics, like in SInbad, when the dragon has to go through a tunnel, so simply entice the big beastie though a tunnel and then smash it?