Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS
Discussion
4x4Tyke said:
In the show they talk of reforging Valyrian steel, but they actually show them recasting the new swords with molten metal from ICE. Forging is working red hot bar or billet but forging is how swords are actually made. These produce steel with different properties, casting producing relatively hard and brittle steel, while forging is more ductile and durable.
THanks, I don't know the difference, I didn't mention either casting or forging, you mentioned both, all I did was say Tywin wanted the best for the job. Hence my question! 
A question occurs to me, in both show/book, they need to destroy one sword to make two they'd have to melt it for this?
Halb said:
4x4Tyke said:
In the show they talk of reforging Valyrian steel, but they actually show them recasting the new swords with molten metal from ICE. Forging is working red hot bar or billet but forging is how swords are actually made. These produce steel with different properties, casting producing relatively hard and brittle steel, while forging is more ductile and durable.
THanks, I don't know the difference, I didn't mention either casting or forging, you mentioned both, all I did was say Tywin wanted the best for the job. Hence my question! A question occurs to me, in both show/book, they need to destroy one sword to make two they'd have to melt it for this?
was at the show's error.I think so, they would need to first cast bars from the molten steel, then forge the sword from the bar, quenching also makes a difference. Forging is the repeated beating, bending and folding we see when a blacksmith makes a horseshoe. It make the grain align giving strength. The patterning of VS is similar to Damascas and Japanese Katana steel. It is the forging process that gave them their exceptional properties for their time.
4x4Tyke said:
Halb said:
4x4Tyke said:
In the show they talk of reforging Valyrian steel, but they actually show them recasting the new swords with molten metal from ICE. Forging is working red hot bar or billet but forging is how swords are actually made. These produce steel with different properties, casting producing relatively hard and brittle steel, while forging is more ductile and durable.
THanks, I don't know the difference, I didn't mention either casting or forging, you mentioned both, all I did was say Tywin wanted the best for the job. Hence my question! A question occurs to me, in both show/book, they need to destroy one sword to make two they'd have to melt it for this?
was at the show's error.I think so, they would need to first cast bars from the molten steel, then forge the sword from the bar, quenching also makes a difference. Forging is the repeated beating, bending and folding we see when a blacksmith makes a horseshoe. It make the grain align giving strength. The patterning of VS is similar to Damascas and Japanese Katana steel. It is the forging process that gave them their exceptional properties for their time.
Forging is heating a chunk of metal until it's malleable, then beating the s
t out of it until it meets the shape you want. Then you harden, by heating and quenching in oil or water (every time someone has done it in water in the show, the metal develops cracks).
Then you grind to final shape, edge, etc.
During the first stage, you can mix metals (so soft and hard steels as per Damascus, plus many other variants), in a welding type scenario.
You could cut the hardened greatsword into two pieces, then reforge the shapes into two blades before rehardening and grinding. That would keep the properties (roughly speaking, as I understand it) of the original steel. Damascus in theory (although not often in practice as they aim for pretty patterns) has a hardened steel edge, and a flexible spine for durability.
Japanese swords are many layered, but iirc the same steels are used - they quench in a controlled manner, rapidly cooling the cutting edge and slowly cooling the spine, which is what develops the graceful curves on katana blades.
In the show, they merely melted down the metal and cast it, which I believe will not make a viable sword.
Oh, and the wavy pattern on japanese steel is called a 'hamon' (spelling guessed) which is done by putting clay on the spine prior to hardening, which is an easier way of getting the hard edge, soft spine - but doesn't appear to give the curve to the blade...
Season four of Forged in Fire is on catchup on the History channel. I find it bloody interesting (it's done as a competition between four bladesmiths) and am now planning a couple of courses to make myself a kitchen knife, and a billet of Damascus steel containing some medical grade steel from an implant my OH has had to give to a jewellery maker to make our wedding rings from.
Season four of Forged in Fire is on catchup on the History channel. I find it bloody interesting (it's done as a competition between four bladesmiths) and am now planning a couple of courses to make myself a kitchen knife, and a billet of Damascus steel containing some medical grade steel from an implant my OH has had to give to a jewellery maker to make our wedding rings from.
mattyn1 said:
Sway said:
It's been leaked a week - if you've got a decent signal there are tons of places to stream it...
Of course! But I wouldn't do that.Honest!
ktard the Internet was being at spoilering it. Why wouldn't you, especially when the service you're paying for won't allow you to access it?
Have enjoyed GOT all the way through, but these recent ones have stepped up a gear or two, really feels like all the build up, all the foreboding about winter coming is true, spellbinding.
I only watched the first few as the wife suggested giving it a try, not my kind of thing I thought, but how wrong was I.
I only watched the first few as the wife suggested giving it a try, not my kind of thing I thought, but how wrong was I.
J4CKO said:
Have enjoyed GOT all the way through, but these recent ones have stepped up a gear or two, really feels like all the build up, all the foreboding about winter coming is true, spellbinding.
I only watched the first few as the wife suggested giving it a try, not my kind of thing I thought, but how wrong was I.
I was a bit like that. I came to it a couple of seasons late and couldn't see what all the fuss was about after about 3 or 4 episodes.I only watched the first few as the wife suggested giving it a try, not my kind of thing I thought, but how wrong was I.
Now though, I'm absolutely gripped, I can't get enough.
RoadRunner220 said:
J4CKO said:
Have enjoyed GOT all the way through, but these recent ones have stepped up a gear or two, really feels like all the build up, all the foreboding about winter coming is true, spellbinding.
I only watched the first few as the wife suggested giving it a try, not my kind of thing I thought, but how wrong was I.
I was a bit like that. I came to it a couple of seasons late and couldn't see what all the fuss was about after about 3 or 4 episodes.I only watched the first few as the wife suggested giving it a try, not my kind of thing I thought, but how wrong was I.
Now though, I'm absolutely gripped, I can't get enough.
If it wasn't so popular I'd just leave it and binge watch the entire season, especially since my memory is so rubbish, but too many people online and at work talk about it so now I have to keep up.
This is a rare combination of good story, good acting and good cinematography.
marksx said:
Doofus said:
Is it just me, or have the last two episodes been really quiet?
We usually watch telly with the volume on 20. We had it up to 70 this evening!
Same here. Deafened by the ads!We usually watch telly with the volume on 20. We had it up to 70 this evening!
The timeline annoyed me this evening. Jarring.
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