Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS
Discussion
Butter Face said:
That’s pretty dramatic 
Was trying to be funny to make light to a sad end to the years of anticipation - no big deal in the grand scheme of things but, as seems to be the norm these days, another franchise ruined.I would suspect this may adversely affect the viewing figures for the spin offs.
Well about all we can say is that it finished.
While most of the character arcs where rapped up pretty neatly, most of them just weren't very satisfying. They also painted themselves into a bit of a corner so it was a bit predictable at the end. All except Bran of course. the implication being that he knew it was going to happen all along. The only problem is he is the weirdest and most uncharismatic king you could ever hope for and surely that is a big part of being a monarch? As someone else said an autistic king isn't really someone you'd be dying to follow.
Jamie and Cersie wasted at the end.
Jon Snow and Dany's story ended about as well as it could given the rush to get there.
Not particularly bad IMO but not great buy any stretch either, after 8 years it all just felt a bit meh.
While most of the character arcs where rapped up pretty neatly, most of them just weren't very satisfying. They also painted themselves into a bit of a corner so it was a bit predictable at the end. All except Bran of course. the implication being that he knew it was going to happen all along. The only problem is he is the weirdest and most uncharismatic king you could ever hope for and surely that is a big part of being a monarch? As someone else said an autistic king isn't really someone you'd be dying to follow.
Jamie and Cersie wasted at the end.
Jon Snow and Dany's story ended about as well as it could given the rush to get there.
Not particularly bad IMO but not great buy any stretch either, after 8 years it all just felt a bit meh.
Calza said:
While I don't understand why Bronn was made master of coin, what I really don't understand is why the throne was asking for a loan from Highgarden.
Didn't the Lannisters/throne steal all their money?
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that was about them incurring a debt to Highgarden for the food that would be supplied, as opposed to borrowing money? Didn't the Lannisters/throne steal all their money?
Chestrockwell said:
Never, not in the shows I’ve seen, Boardwalk empire was my least favourite ending however the show was in decline and they had a reason to wrap it up quickly, GoT is/was a money maker and they had no reason to make the last season 6 episodes and rush it!
I did feel let down by BE.Calza said:
While I don't understand why Bronn was made master of coin, what I really don't understand is why the throne was asking for a loan from Highgarden.
Didn't the Lannisters/throne steal all their money?
The Reach still generates lots of money. I won't go into details you should know how.Didn't the Lannisters/throne steal all their money?
JagLover said:
paulrockliffe said:
In the general scheme of things, and even this particularly story line, this is really no big deal.
We don't know whether the Night Watch exists anymore, we don't know if Greyworm knows enough to realise there is/isn't a Nights Watch or what it is. And Greyworm leaves with no way of knowing whether Jon goes to the wall, or stays at the wall. All of the rules around the nights watch, such as those that led to Ned killing that chap at the start, don't automatically survive the new scenario, so who knows what the limits on Jon are now?
Jon looks behind him, saying goodbye to the rest of Westeros, as the gate is shut behind him. It was made pretty clear to me, without dialogue, that the NW thing was a ruse and Jon was always going to head further north to live with the wildlings. We don't know whether the Night Watch exists anymore, we don't know if Greyworm knows enough to realise there is/isn't a Nights Watch or what it is. And Greyworm leaves with no way of knowing whether Jon goes to the wall, or stays at the wall. All of the rules around the nights watch, such as those that led to Ned killing that chap at the start, don't automatically survive the new scenario, so who knows what the limits on Jon are now?
But it doesn't matter, because fundamentally there is no rational explanation for why, if Greyworm has to be accommodated, he would accept that.
I’ll start by saying I wasn’t that big a fan of the final series, it went from two slow paced episodes to all being over in a flash, but...
I’m not sure what the writers were meant to do to make people happy, the show is discussed and analysed so intensely everyone has their own pet opinions about what should happen etc that people are always going to be wrong, and no one likes being told they are wrong these days.
However, for years now people have been predicting the following:
Daenerys will go mad queen
Jon Snow is too honourable for his own good (like Ned Stark)
Sam will be a maester at the end and tell the story (I.e. Sam is George RR Martin)
The kingdom will split
No one will sit on the iron throne
Someone who doesn’t want to be king/queen will end up king/queen
The whole thing will go full circle
And what happened?
Daenerys went mad queen
Jon finally did what was right after worshipping Daenerys for too long but paid the price in losing his freedom.
Sam ends up grand maester and produces “song of ice and fire”.
Sansa becomes queen of the north.
The iron throne was destroyed.
Bran doesn’t want to be king.
The whole thing does go full circle, it finishes round the table of bickering politicians (are they really any better than those who came before them) Jon ends up at the wall where he went on like S1E1 and should have been all along anyway. It looks like he went to live with the wildlings, lets remember he gave serious thought to doing just that a few seasons ago.
Just because people’s pet theories didn’t come true it doesn’t mean it’s s
t writing. I don’t see how they could have came up with anything that would be universally liked.
Daenerys wins, doesn’t burn kings landing, they all live happily ever after - slated for being boring.
Cersi wins, wouldn’t have gone down well, could the army that just beat the dead really be defeated by some mere mortals?
Jon becomes king - boring, he would also make a terrible king (when has he ever made a good decision?)
As I said my only beef was that it was far too rushed, especially the last two episodes. You went from Daenerys and Cersi facing off to the battle being over and Bran being king. The series stank of “we just want this to be finished”.
I’m not sure what the writers were meant to do to make people happy, the show is discussed and analysed so intensely everyone has their own pet opinions about what should happen etc that people are always going to be wrong, and no one likes being told they are wrong these days.
However, for years now people have been predicting the following:
Daenerys will go mad queen
Jon Snow is too honourable for his own good (like Ned Stark)
Sam will be a maester at the end and tell the story (I.e. Sam is George RR Martin)
The kingdom will split
No one will sit on the iron throne
Someone who doesn’t want to be king/queen will end up king/queen
The whole thing will go full circle
And what happened?
Daenerys went mad queen
Jon finally did what was right after worshipping Daenerys for too long but paid the price in losing his freedom.
Sam ends up grand maester and produces “song of ice and fire”.
Sansa becomes queen of the north.
The iron throne was destroyed.
Bran doesn’t want to be king.
The whole thing does go full circle, it finishes round the table of bickering politicians (are they really any better than those who came before them) Jon ends up at the wall where he went on like S1E1 and should have been all along anyway. It looks like he went to live with the wildlings, lets remember he gave serious thought to doing just that a few seasons ago.
Just because people’s pet theories didn’t come true it doesn’t mean it’s s
t writing. I don’t see how they could have came up with anything that would be universally liked.Daenerys wins, doesn’t burn kings landing, they all live happily ever after - slated for being boring.
Cersi wins, wouldn’t have gone down well, could the army that just beat the dead really be defeated by some mere mortals?
Jon becomes king - boring, he would also make a terrible king (when has he ever made a good decision?)
As I said my only beef was that it was far too rushed, especially the last two episodes. You went from Daenerys and Cersi facing off to the battle being over and Bran being king. The series stank of “we just want this to be finished”.
Soir said:
I’m in the “fewer” camp who actually enjoyed the ending. Yes it was sped up, tons of loose ends and pointless plots and it went a little fellowship of Hollywood. But we got GRR’s ending. Ayra killed NK. And my favourite part of the books (bar red wedding) with Jamie reading barristans log in the kingsguard books so Brienne doing it and adding Jamie’s was perfect
When she was writing in the book, i expected her to write "and the father of Ser Brienne of Tarths first child"Dany is bad for torching KL?
I had this argument with my misses. As the show is based on late Medieval European times this is normal practice. You want to have a swift time conquering a domian you make an example of the first town by razing it to the ground and killing all the people, women and children included. Other states / cities then surrender without bloodshed. Lets face it Dany had the 7 kingdoms to conquer, it wasn't over with just KL. So for the perceived time period she was following normal mecriful practice and Jon killed her for doing nothing, for the period, wrong.
I had this argument with my misses. As the show is based on late Medieval European times this is normal practice. You want to have a swift time conquering a domian you make an example of the first town by razing it to the ground and killing all the people, women and children included. Other states / cities then surrender without bloodshed. Lets face it Dany had the 7 kingdoms to conquer, it wasn't over with just KL. So for the perceived time period she was following normal mecriful practice and Jon killed her for doing nothing, for the period, wrong.
chris watton said:
Being the drama queen that I am, I actually deleted this without watching it and all season 8 episodes from my planner. Never to be watched again. What a disappointment to the two year wait and excitement.
TBF you're better off not watching it. Almost any fan theory is better than that giant Meh of an ending.JagLover said:
Halb said:
Ghost!!
Also felt sad for Sandra, being the only one in Winterhell, surrounded by strangers
Well I imagine she will get married soon enough, and not to a madman this time. The Stark line needs to continue after all. Also felt sad for Sandra, being the only one in Winterhell, surrounded by strangers
Also to add that though the show world is virtually empty in the books there are probably nobles she knew from other northern noble houses, that weren't wiped out like everyone who lived at Winterfell before.
Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 21st May 09:35
I thought it was a pretty good ending. I did enjoy Jon's "Oh FFS, not this st again" look when he was sent to the nights watch but I can think of few better places for him to end up than north with the wildlings. I thought Danaerys' end was good, the whole thing about imposing freedom on the entire world had more than a ring of historical truth about it. The small council meeting was good, I particularly enjoyed Ser Bronn of the Blackwater, Lord of Highgarden and master of coin who's first order of business was rebuilding the brothels. I wasn't sure what Brienne was doing there though as I thought she was sworn to Sansa.
t again" look when he was sent to the nights watch but I can think of few better places for him to end up than north with the wildlings. I thought Danaerys' end was good, the whole thing about imposing freedom on the entire world had more than a ring of historical truth about it. The small council meeting was good, I particularly enjoyed Ser Bronn of the Blackwater, Lord of Highgarden and master of coin who's first order of business was rebuilding the brothels. I wasn't sure what Brienne was doing there though as I thought she was sworn to Sansa.JagLover said:
paulrockliffe said:
Probably, though I'd love to know what they plan to eat!
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What they used to eat before?.
The area north of the wall has sustained a population in the tens of thousands for millennia. Its winter at the moment but they can still hunt and fish.
JagLover said:
Butter Face said:
There effectively is no Night Watch, there is no Night King, no worry from the wildlings etc. Jon has gone to be with the wildlings and would likely become their king (The King in the North!)
Yep and where else would he go?, Sansa has become queen of the north after all. Jon has always liked being with the free folk so not sure why many think this is a bad ending for the character. Durzel said:
Possibly the worst finale I could have imagined. I thought it would be bad, but the last thing I was expecting was for it to be insipid.
Might actually be as bad as the Dexter "I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay" ending, and that's saying something.
What was the whole sitcom small council scene, was that supposed to be levity? All it did was remind me of how far the dialogue has fallen since the early days.
So bad.
The last line of dialogue in this epic 8 year long show was "I once brought a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel".. that speaks volumes.
i agree completely although that last line was classic tyrion. it descended into panto and the book reference OMG so weak.Might actually be as bad as the Dexter "I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay" ending, and that's saying something.
What was the whole sitcom small council scene, was that supposed to be levity? All it did was remind me of how far the dialogue has fallen since the early days.
So bad.
The last line of dialogue in this epic 8 year long show was "I once brought a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel".. that speaks volumes.
Edited by Durzel on Tuesday 21st May 09:37
the worst bit by far for me though was the melting of the throne - I did say a few weeks back i bet no-one ends up on the iron throne but the way it happened...jeez.
it strongly suggested cognisence or intelligence in a dragon and if Drogon was that bright and realised JS killed its mother wouldn't it have killed JS too? the whole sequence from the TL / JS prison cell through to drogon flying off into the sky was really poor for me. stilted dialogue, rushed, flat.
Greyworm's elevated status was misplaced too for me.
and the cop out meritocracy ending. there have been some really good bit in this series, eps 1, 2 & 3. the rest has all been a bit meh for me.
dazjstuart said:
I’ll start by saying I wasn’t that big a fan of the final series, it went from two slow paced episodes to all being over in a flash, but...
I’m not sure what the writers were meant to do to make people happy, the show is discussed and analysed so intensely everyone has their own pet opinions about what should happen etc that people are always going to be wrong, and no one likes being told they are wrong these days.
However, for years now people have been predicting the following:
Daenerys will go mad queen
Jon Snow is too honourable for his own good (like Ned Stark)
Sam will be a maester at the end and tell the story (I.e. Sam is George RR Martin)
The kingdom will split
No one will sit on the iron throne
Someone who doesn’t want to be king/queen will end up king/queen
The whole thing will go full circle
And what happened?
Daenerys went mad queen
Jon finally did what was right after worshipping Daenerys for too long but paid the price in losing his freedom.
Sam ends up grand maester and produces “song of ice and fire”.
Sansa becomes queen of the north.
The iron throne was destroyed.
Bran doesn’t want to be king.
The whole thing does go full circle, it finishes round the table of bickering politicians (are they really any better than those who came before them) Jon ends up at the wall where he went on like S1E1 and should have been all along anyway. It looks like he went to live with the wildlings, lets remember he gave serious thought to doing just that a few seasons ago.
Just because people’s pet theories didn’t come true it doesn’t mean it’s st writing. I don’t see how they could have came up with anything that would be universally liked.
Daenerys wins, doesn’t burn kings landing, they all live happily ever after - slated for being boring.
Cersi wins, wouldn’t have gone down well, could the army that just beat the dead really be defeated by some mere mortals?
Jon becomes king - boring, he would also make a terrible king (when has he ever made a good decision?)
As I said my only beef was that it was far too rushed, especially the last two episodes. You went from Daenerys and Cersi facing off to the battle being over and Bran being king. The series stank of “we just want this to be finished”.
Good post, probably ended about as well as could be expected given the various options available to them. It just felt a bit rushed, if they'd taken their time over it with a full 10 episodes, it might have gone down better. As it is, it all feels deflating because of the urgency to get it done in 6 episodes.I’m not sure what the writers were meant to do to make people happy, the show is discussed and analysed so intensely everyone has their own pet opinions about what should happen etc that people are always going to be wrong, and no one likes being told they are wrong these days.
However, for years now people have been predicting the following:
Daenerys will go mad queen
Jon Snow is too honourable for his own good (like Ned Stark)
Sam will be a maester at the end and tell the story (I.e. Sam is George RR Martin)
The kingdom will split
No one will sit on the iron throne
Someone who doesn’t want to be king/queen will end up king/queen
The whole thing will go full circle
And what happened?
Daenerys went mad queen
Jon finally did what was right after worshipping Daenerys for too long but paid the price in losing his freedom.
Sam ends up grand maester and produces “song of ice and fire”.
Sansa becomes queen of the north.
The iron throne was destroyed.
Bran doesn’t want to be king.
The whole thing does go full circle, it finishes round the table of bickering politicians (are they really any better than those who came before them) Jon ends up at the wall where he went on like S1E1 and should have been all along anyway. It looks like he went to live with the wildlings, lets remember he gave serious thought to doing just that a few seasons ago.
Just because people’s pet theories didn’t come true it doesn’t mean it’s s
t writing. I don’t see how they could have came up with anything that would be universally liked.Daenerys wins, doesn’t burn kings landing, they all live happily ever after - slated for being boring.
Cersi wins, wouldn’t have gone down well, could the army that just beat the dead really be defeated by some mere mortals?
Jon becomes king - boring, he would also make a terrible king (when has he ever made a good decision?)
As I said my only beef was that it was far too rushed, especially the last two episodes. You went from Daenerys and Cersi facing off to the battle being over and Bran being king. The series stank of “we just want this to be finished”.
Nom de ploom said:
i agree completely although that last line was classic tyrion. it descended into panto and the book reference OMG so weak.
the worst bit by far for me though was the melting of the throne - I did say a few weeks back i bet no-one ends up on the iron throne but the way it happened...jeez.
it strongly suggested cognisence or intelligence in a dragon and if Drogon was that bright and realised JS killed its mother wouldn't it have killed JS too? the whole sequence from the TL / JS prison cell through to drogon flying off into the sky was really poor for me. stilted dialogue, rushed, flat.
Greyworm's elevated status was misplaced too for me.
and the cop out meritocracy ending. there have been some really good bit in this series, eps 1, 2 & 3. the rest has all been a bit meh for me.
This - it's like the writers had a plot point which said "Dany dies by Jon's hand" and thought right, 10 minutes on that will do. Quick speech by Tyrion, pained looks by Jon, stabby stabby and on with the story quickly so we can wrap this up.the worst bit by far for me though was the melting of the throne - I did say a few weeks back i bet no-one ends up on the iron throne but the way it happened...jeez.
it strongly suggested cognisence or intelligence in a dragon and if Drogon was that bright and realised JS killed its mother wouldn't it have killed JS too? the whole sequence from the TL / JS prison cell through to drogon flying off into the sky was really poor for me. stilted dialogue, rushed, flat.
Greyworm's elevated status was misplaced too for me.
and the cop out meritocracy ending. there have been some really good bit in this series, eps 1, 2 & 3. the rest has all been a bit meh for me.
Last 4 episodes have just felt like there's a studio bigwig standing outside where the storywriters are sat, looking in through the window and tapping their watch.
The memes and edits are excellent from this season. At least we have that. The ending felt right, Dany’s death just had no weight to it whatsoever. A dull death to one of the best characters in TV for a decade.
Let the memes begin:
https://twitter.com/funnyordie/status/112721176204...
Let the memes begin:
https://twitter.com/funnyordie/status/112721176204...
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