Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS
Discussion
Sway said:
Thinking of positives...
Dany's death. Not a single word uttered. How bloody refreshing.
I was more concerned that Jon lost his little dagger-sword. If he'd pulled it out quickly, he could have just shrugged at Drogon: "Wasn't me. I've just walked in and found her all stab up, innit".Dany's death. Not a single word uttered. How bloody refreshing.
As it was, Drogon flew off with his sword in-situ!
My other beef is the folk all moaning about the fact Jon was a Targarean amounting to nothing in the end. Ironic from the same people who whinge about wasting 7 series of character development.
It didn’t matter that Jon was a Targarean because he didn’t want it to matter, he was born and raised a b
d and never had aspirations of grandeur. If that’s not staying consistent with his character development then I don’t know what is. It was the classic nurture over nature, he was Ned Stark mk2 because that’s how he was raised.
It probably saved his life though, I assume the only reason Jon didn’t get Roasted by Drogon is because Drogon knew who he was?
It didn’t matter that Jon was a Targarean because he didn’t want it to matter, he was born and raised a b
d and never had aspirations of grandeur. If that’s not staying consistent with his character development then I don’t know what is. It was the classic nurture over nature, he was Ned Stark mk2 because that’s how he was raised.It probably saved his life though, I assume the only reason Jon didn’t get Roasted by Drogon is because Drogon knew who he was?
Rivenink said:
Dorne and Highgarden and the North were already on Dany's side. Dany had already taken Casterly Rock.
The Riverlands were under the control of the Lannisters with Edmund Tully as their pawn; and wouldn't have fought Dany after she won Kings Landing.
Storm's End had no lord with the Baratheons wiped out; and evidently wasn't important enough to be much of a focus for anyone to put priority on controlling.
Kings Landing was all there was left to win for her.
She gave it to Gendry. The Riverlands were under the control of the Lannisters with Edmund Tully as their pawn; and wouldn't have fought Dany after she won Kings Landing.
Storm's End had no lord with the Baratheons wiped out; and evidently wasn't important enough to be much of a focus for anyone to put priority on controlling.
Kings Landing was all there was left to win for her.
Nom de ploom said:
i agree completely although that last line was classic tyrion. it descended into panto and the book reference OMG so weak.
the worst bit by far for me though was the melting of the throne - I did say a few weeks back i bet no-one ends up on the iron throne but the way it happened...jeez.
it strongly suggested cognisence or intelligence in a dragon and if Drogon was that bright and realised JS killed its mother wouldn't it have killed JS too? the whole sequence from the TL / JS prison cell through to drogon flying off into the sky was really poor for me. stilted dialogue, rushed, flat.
Greyworm's elevated status was misplaced too for me.
and the cop out meritocracy ending. there have been some really good bit in this series, eps 1, 2 & 3. the rest has all been a bit meh for me.
Episodes 1, 2 and 3 were dreadful. The only decent episode in this season was 5, and it still wasn't great.the worst bit by far for me though was the melting of the throne - I did say a few weeks back i bet no-one ends up on the iron throne but the way it happened...jeez.
it strongly suggested cognisence or intelligence in a dragon and if Drogon was that bright and realised JS killed its mother wouldn't it have killed JS too? the whole sequence from the TL / JS prison cell through to drogon flying off into the sky was really poor for me. stilted dialogue, rushed, flat.
Greyworm's elevated status was misplaced too for me.
and the cop out meritocracy ending. there have been some really good bit in this series, eps 1, 2 & 3. the rest has all been a bit meh for me.
It’s crazy how no one is particularly happy with how it all ended.
I’d say 6 or 7 seasons of this show has provided the best TV ever, even if some of the episodes in the earlier seasons were filler leading upto the main battles their still seemed to be amazing lines and character progressions.
Just write this season off.
Dany died.
Jon went back up North were he was probably the happiest. Hopefully he finds a nice cave.
Not much else really matters to me. Couldn’t care less about Bran on the throne.
I’d say 6 or 7 seasons of this show has provided the best TV ever, even if some of the episodes in the earlier seasons were filler leading upto the main battles their still seemed to be amazing lines and character progressions.
Just write this season off.
Dany died.
Jon went back up North were he was probably the happiest. Hopefully he finds a nice cave.
Not much else really matters to me. Couldn’t care less about Bran on the throne.
Game of Thrones prequel: Everything we know so far https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-48280752
Maybe this is why they felt so much could be left unanswered about Bran9k / Bran the Builder / Time Warg
Maybe this is why they felt so much could be left unanswered about Bran9k / Bran the Builder / Time Warg
paulrockliffe said:
The fundamental issue here is that given Greyworm wants to go hang in Naath, why does he accept this outcome when it is meaningless to him and he could have imposed any outcome he wanted at any point?
This is my only real complaint about the finale - Jon ending up 'oop North makes sense and it a good ending for him but the reason for his exile just had no meat behind it at all.First off, how did Greyworm ever agree that it was a fair compromise? "Jon will be banished to a place where he can have no b
hes or possessions" - why do I get the feeling Greyworm wouldn't be too sympathetic towards that 'punishment'?Secondly, Greyworm immediately f
ks off overseas and although saltqueen was kinda anti-Jon you get the feeling she didn't really care what happened to him. It was a completely empty punishment and needed a bit more sting in it.I'm not saying this exact scenario, but something along the lines of Arya goes into murder Dany and Jon has a conflict of interests last second and ends up kind of accidentally killing his sister for Dany to then die anyway - so that way he's exiled by pretty much everybody but his life is spared because ultimately he saved the world.
Everything else was OK in the finale in my view, the table scene a bit cringeworthy but it was a half decent way of closing off a bunch of follow up queries/musings. Dany ending up burning KL to the ground was a good finish for her - but it missed out substance and decline that we probably should have been witnessing from S5 onwards, the mistakes were not necessarily in the final season but seeded much earlier as her character arc failed to develop in this direction (IMO).
Well I have gotten to the end of this epic spectacle without a single post in this thread, though I have read every word that has been written in it. If I had joined in with all the criticism of things that fans of the show had raised it would have spoiled the show for me, & I admit I almost watched it through the eyes of a child, accepting it for what it was.
I will concede that things changed a little from season 6 in terms of the writing, but surely the one to blame is GRR Martin/HBO, seems daft to make such a stunningly good series before the end was written. The first few series were perfection for me, I literally couldn't pick fault with anything & it was/is the best thing I have ever seen on screen, & I will continue watching it for the rest of my life I would think, & yes that includes series 6,7 & 8.
Once D&D came in there were things that jarred, of course there was, both in terms of the plot & the way certain characters did/said things that were just wrong, one example being the way Bron crept up on Jaime & Tyrion & threatened to kill them, smacking Tyrion in the mouth for good measure. Yes he was a sell sword, but you don't go through experiences that he had with them without some bonding; they treated him very well & they obviously enjoyed each others company, so that was way off for me.
And yet somehow it didn't matter, & I found myself enjoying the last season almost as much as the first, & now I am sad it is finished, so I guess, as they say "and now my watch is over".
I will concede that things changed a little from season 6 in terms of the writing, but surely the one to blame is GRR Martin/HBO, seems daft to make such a stunningly good series before the end was written. The first few series were perfection for me, I literally couldn't pick fault with anything & it was/is the best thing I have ever seen on screen, & I will continue watching it for the rest of my life I would think, & yes that includes series 6,7 & 8.
Once D&D came in there were things that jarred, of course there was, both in terms of the plot & the way certain characters did/said things that were just wrong, one example being the way Bron crept up on Jaime & Tyrion & threatened to kill them, smacking Tyrion in the mouth for good measure. Yes he was a sell sword, but you don't go through experiences that he had with them without some bonding; they treated him very well & they obviously enjoyed each others company, so that was way off for me.
And yet somehow it didn't matter, & I found myself enjoying the last season almost as much as the first, & now I am sad it is finished, so I guess, as they say "and now my watch is over".
JamieBeeston said:
Game of Thrones prequel: Everything we know so far https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-48280752
Maybe this is why they felt so much could be left unanswered about Bran9k / Bran the Builder / Time Warg
I really don't dig the 5,000 year gap. It's too large to perceive - ask most people what was going on 5,000 years prior to today and they'll start struggling quite comprehensively with anything much more than 2,000 years ago.Maybe this is why they felt so much could be left unanswered about Bran9k / Bran the Builder / Time Warg
The idea that certain families remained significant for 5,000 years just doesn't stack up either.
And, I know, I know, this is fantasy, not a documentary - but this thread has shown a reasonable preference for places in the story to hang your logic hat.
500 years would have been a significant step back - technologically, socially and in terms of characters/generations.
All IMHO/what suits me, of course.
V8mate said:
JamieBeeston said:
Game of Thrones prequel: Everything we know so far https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-48280752
Maybe this is why they felt so much could be left unanswered about Bran9k / Bran the Builder / Time Warg
I really don't dig the 5,000 year gap. It's too large to perceive - ask most people what was going on 5,000 years prior to today and they'll start struggling quite comprehensively with anything much more than 2,000 years ago.Maybe this is why they felt so much could be left unanswered about Bran9k / Bran the Builder / Time Warg
The idea that certain families remained significant for 5,000 years just doesn't stack up either.
And, I know, I know, this is fantasy, not a documentary - but this thread has shown a reasonable preference for places in the story to hang your logic hat.
500 years would have been a significant step back - technologically, socially and in terms of characters/generations.
All IMHO/what suits me, of course.
This is where you tell me you're from Golders Green or Tel Aviv....
So Jon shuffles past grumpy Drogon and into the red keep, next scene we see Daenerys almost sitting on the Iron Throne (not working now, flush is broken) Jon enters, some chat and then kills Daenerys then walks out, just as Jon Walks in. They see each other as they pass Jon is very surprised, well as surprised as he can act it, Arya takes off her Jon face and smiles. Then the end game over who rules.
I mean it could have happened, we have seen multiple faces of the same person including someone currently alive, just before Arya went blind she saw Jacqen's face and her own.
I mean it could have happened, we have seen multiple faces of the same person including someone currently alive, just before Arya went blind she saw Jacqen's face and her own.
ElectricSoup said:
V8mate said:
JamieBeeston said:
Game of Thrones prequel: Everything we know so far https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-48280752
Maybe this is why they felt so much could be left unanswered about Bran9k / Bran the Builder / Time Warg
I really don't dig the 5,000 year gap. It's too large to perceive - ask most people what was going on 5,000 years prior to today and they'll start struggling quite comprehensively with anything much more than 2,000 years ago.Maybe this is why they felt so much could be left unanswered about Bran9k / Bran the Builder / Time Warg
The idea that certain families remained significant for 5,000 years just doesn't stack up either.
And, I know, I know, this is fantasy, not a documentary - but this thread has shown a reasonable preference for places in the story to hang your logic hat.
500 years would have been a significant step back - technologically, socially and in terms of characters/generations.
All IMHO/what suits me, of course.
This is where you tell me you're from Golders Green or Tel Aviv....
Religion aside, I'm really not sure what was going on, on our little island, from 2,000 - 5,000 years ago.
DamienB said:
Better ending:
Jon kills Dany
Drogon toasts Jon. And EVERYBODY ELSE. Goes on mad kill rampage, torches what's left of Kings Landing, starts working the countryside too.
Camera pans through wreckage of Red Keep, lingers on pile of dragon eggs. Egg cracks.
Fade to black.
Dragon roar.
for me actually I'm really glad they didn't do this. its game of thrones not jurassic parkJon kills Dany
Drogon toasts Jon. And EVERYBODY ELSE. Goes on mad kill rampage, torches what's left of Kings Landing, starts working the countryside too.
Camera pans through wreckage of Red Keep, lingers on pile of dragon eggs. Egg cracks.
Fade to black.
Dragon roar.
Another potential full circle would be for Gendry to wed Sansa, therefore uniting the North and South.
Plus Gendry would have then knobbed both sisters making it an awkward Christmas reunion.
It would have been interesting to see Tyrion get torched by Drogon only to survive therefore identifying his heritage though i guess his buddy Bran can tell him.
Though a proper fu hollywood ending would have been Cersei to remain on the throne
Plus Gendry would have then knobbed both sisters making it an awkward Christmas reunion.
It would have been interesting to see Tyrion get torched by Drogon only to survive therefore identifying his heritage though i guess his buddy Bran can tell him.
Though a proper fu hollywood ending would have been Cersei to remain on the throne
I quite liked the end episode. It had some great detail in it, but the last 10 minutes did feel like they'd lost all their creative energy and just went with what GRRM has indicated happens in the books. It felt like a 1:1 visualisation of written words to the ending of such a novel.
I think I need to re-watch the lot, but not sure I can be bothered right now.
It has definitely been one of the best produced television shows I've ever seen and comes close to surpassing a lot of movies as well.
In an age where attention spans seem to be getting shorter and shorter this season was reduced to 6 episodes and was harmed by it. A shame - surely they must have 8-10 episodes worth of filming in the two years they've had? I think the lack of episodes worked massively against some of the character development.
I can't fault most of the show - it's just that, for me, the season 8 dialogue has been lacking in finesse and the passing of time seemed to be difficult for them to convey.
I think I need to re-watch the lot, but not sure I can be bothered right now.
It has definitely been one of the best produced television shows I've ever seen and comes close to surpassing a lot of movies as well.
In an age where attention spans seem to be getting shorter and shorter this season was reduced to 6 episodes and was harmed by it. A shame - surely they must have 8-10 episodes worth of filming in the two years they've had? I think the lack of episodes worked massively against some of the character development.
I can't fault most of the show - it's just that, for me, the season 8 dialogue has been lacking in finesse and the passing of time seemed to be difficult for them to convey.
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