Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS
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Some info on the first spin off, House of the Dragon.
https://www.slashfilm.com/house-of-the-dragon-firs...
https://www.slashfilm.com/house-of-the-dragon-firs...
SlimJim16v said:
Some info on the first spin off, House of the Dragon.
https://www.slashfilm.com/house-of-the-dragon-firs...
Matt Smith as Daemon Targaryen, interesting!https://www.slashfilm.com/house-of-the-dragon-firs...
The Drinker Fixes ... "A Game of Thrones"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVGHjB_c0Ok
Worth a watch and would definitely have been a more satisfying ending than the garbage which was the final season. As for the books Winter is NEVER coming...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVGHjB_c0Ok
Worth a watch and would definitely have been a more satisfying ending than the garbage which was the final season. As for the books Winter is NEVER coming...
jesusbuiltmycar said:
The Drinker Fixes ... "A Game of Thrones"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVGHjB_c0Ok
Worth a watch and would definitely have been a more satisfying ending than the garbage which was the final season. As for the books Winter is NEVER coming...
it would have been better but still not great. Also wouldn't have fixed the awful last few episodes of the previous season (which is where the true nosedive in quality really started) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVGHjB_c0Ok
Worth a watch and would definitely have been a more satisfying ending than the garbage which was the final season. As for the books Winter is NEVER coming...
This treatment also ignores the fact that what Dany became is very likely what GRRM had mapped out for her. It just wasn't set up at all properly in the show.
I still think they should have brought in a proper fantasy writer once they were approaching the end of GRRM's work. The skills of a TV show writer and that of writing "epic" fantasy are so different that I cannot really see any other way it could have been brought to a reasonably satisfying conclusion.
They could have developed the plan and the TV writers flesh it out. There are very few truly good, and original, writers working on Films and TV in America.
Having the human armies fight together and Cersei planning to immediately betray them certainly makes a lot more sense. Instead we got the ridiculous spectacle of everyone who wasn't a named character seemingly getting wiped out, then next episode they have an army large enough to besiege King's Landing.
The last season wouldn't have been so egregious if there had been like 3 seasons in between 7 and 8. As it was you basically had people teleporting around Westeros in the same episode vs over the course of a season.
The show made fools out of Varys and Tyrion, and Bran being the ruler of the world or whatever was irredeemible, as was Jon's entire arc being negated by Arya.
You can't fix certain parts of season 8 but some of it might have been salvagable with a lot more time investment.
The show made fools out of Varys and Tyrion, and Bran being the ruler of the world or whatever was irredeemible, as was Jon's entire arc being negated by Arya.
You can't fix certain parts of season 8 but some of it might have been salvagable with a lot more time investment.
JagLover said:
jesusbuiltmycar said:
The Drinker Fixes ... "A Game of Thrones"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVGHjB_c0Ok
Worth a watch and would definitely have been a more satisfying ending than the garbage which was the final season. As for the books Winter is NEVER coming...
it would have been better but still not great. Also wouldn't have fixed the awful last few episodes of the previous season (which is where the true nosedive in quality really started) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVGHjB_c0Ok
Worth a watch and would definitely have been a more satisfying ending than the garbage which was the final season. As for the books Winter is NEVER coming...
This treatment also ignores the fact that what Dany became is very likely what GRRM had mapped out for her. It just wasn't set up at all properly in the show.
I still think they should have brought in a proper fantasy writer once they were approaching the end of GRRM's work. The skills of a TV show writer and that of writing "epic" fantasy are so different that I cannot really see any other way it could have been brought to a reasonably satisfying conclusion.
They could have developed the plan and the TV writers flesh it out. There are very few truly good, and original, writers working on Films and TV in America.
They were now stars, don't ya know, and their stock was way more than HBO were affording them. They just couldn't schmooze the work stuck in Ireland filming...
So f
k the show. Get it done and dusted and out the way pronto. It'll still get amazing ratings. JagLover said:
This treatment also ignores the fact that what Dany became is very likely what GRRM had mapped out for her. It just wasn't set up at all properly in the show.
Its pretty obvious what GRRM has planned is irrelevant - he will never complete the series and the D&D show is the only ending we will ever get.GRRM is more interested in prequel books, support books, and helping out on HBO's other series set in Westeros. A Dance With Drangons was published more than 10 years ago and there is no release date planned for the Winds of Never. As the series (books) progresses the writing quality has dropped considerably (imho) - A Feast for Crows was overly long and drawn out and although I preferred A Dance With Drangons it was an unfinished mess.
He would need to live into his 90s to complete A Dream of Spring...
jesusbuiltmycar said:
JagLover said:
This treatment also ignores the fact that what Dany became is very likely what GRRM had mapped out for her. It just wasn't set up at all properly in the show.
Its pretty obvious what GRRM has planned is irrelevant - he will never complete the series and the D&D show is the only ending we will ever get.GRRM is more interested in prequel books, support books, and helping out on HBO's other series set in Westeros. A Dance With Drangons was published more than 10 years ago and there is no release date planned for the Winds of Never. As the series (books) progresses the writing quality has dropped considerably (imho) - A Feast for Crows was overly long and drawn out and although I preferred A Dance With Drangons it was an unfinished mess.
He would need to live into his 90s to complete A Dream of Spring...
He is, in my view, at least three very large books away, not two, and anything more than at some point getting The Winds of Winter is not particularly likely.
He is however the creator of this world and also the one who laid down the foundations for how the story should have turned out in his published books, so ignoring his intentions is to leave storylines he setup unfulfilled. Once you ignore that foundation you end up with all the nonsense we saw in the last two seasons (with a few exceptions). Slapping a story together somehow with no craft and skill.
The Critical drinker has given us an alternative story that has more narrative logic and would have attracted far less criticism. It is not however the deconstruction of epic fantasy that GRRM was looking to create.
Sway said:
D&D didn't want it to work - they weren't interested in the slightest in doing it properly by that point.
They were now stars, don't ya know, and their stock was way more than HBO were affording them. They just couldn't schmooze the work stuck in Ireland filming...
So fk the show. Get it done and dusted and out the way pronto. It'll still get amazing ratings.
True enough and I actually have a bit of sympathy for D&D.They were now stars, don't ya know, and their stock was way more than HBO were affording them. They just couldn't schmooze the work stuck in Ireland filming...
So f
k the show. Get it done and dusted and out the way pronto. It'll still get amazing ratings. They were great show runners. Visually GOT was about as good as TV is ever likely to get, casting was spot on, the adaption was great. The main issue is that they are not proper writers. They can adapt very well, but they cannot write, and neither could anyone working with them. Virtually everything that made people fall in love with GOT came from GRRM.
So they were left with a show without an ending. What mattered then is what they did as a result. In the end what they did was absolutely disastrous and on the journey to that outcome the ever worsening writing was compensated for many by the visuals (which looked better than ever).
Quick fixes, like those proposed by the Drinker, conceal the fact that the rot set in far before the last season. In the absence of anything from GRRM they needed a proper writer to get them to the finish line with anything like the quality of what they started with.
I like the suggestion that another Fantasy Writer would have been asked to flesh out the final series, The Drinker's ending is rapidly put together for hi channel....
I imagine that another writer may end up finishing the books (like Wheel of Time, which I have not read). I doubt any of the more established writers would be interested though as they have worlds of their own to write about.
I imagine that another writer may end up finishing the books (like Wheel of Time, which I have not read). I doubt any of the more established writers would be interested though as they have worlds of their own to write about.
jesusbuiltmycar said:
I like the suggestion that another Fantasy Writer would have been asked to flesh out the final series, The Drinker's ending is rapidly put together for hi channel....
I imagine that another writer may end up finishing the books (like Wheel of Time, which I have not read). I doubt any of the more established writers would be interested though as they have worlds of their own to write about.
As you say Brandon Sanderson did it for Robert Jordan, and did a fine job in my opinion. As for having world's of their own to write about, well true enough, but there are a number of good fantasy writers who don't seem to make much money from their writing. I imagine that another writer may end up finishing the books (like Wheel of Time, which I have not read). I doubt any of the more established writers would be interested though as they have worlds of their own to write about.
ZesPak said:
*Star Wars iirc. but they got kicked off due to the backlash on GoT. Good riddance.
Yep. The perfect result.Got way too big for their boots, thought they could get away with anything cause they didn't like being away from the glitz and glamour of Hollywood - then that arrogance f
ked them hard.They've got the Netflix deal, but it'll be interesting to see if they have the same sort of creative freedom as they had at GoT. Three Body Problem has the potential to be epic though.
SlimJim16v said:
Good, serves the arrogant fks right. A shame they're still working. They ruined what started out as probably the best TV series ever.
Yes, it's the sort of show I'd probably be watching for the 3rd or 4th time now, if it weren't for those last two seasons.ks right. A shame they're still working. They ruined what started out as probably the best TV series ever. Haven't re-watched any of it, still a sour taste.
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