Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS
Discussion
robemcdonald said:
There is a rumour that they are going to redo the last two seasons.
Flip knows how they will justify that, but possible redemption?
Don't believe everything you read on the internet! Flip knows how they will justify that, but possible redemption?
Think about it - re-doing the last 2 seasons only makes any sense to hardcore geek types. They need to appeal to the largest audience numbers for synidcation / advertising revenue.
It'll be sequels, prequels and spin offs - just like star.wars / x men etc. It's a proven formula.
Some Gump said:
robemcdonald said:
There is a rumour that they are going to redo the last two seasons.
Flip knows how they will justify that, but possible redemption?
Don't believe everything you read on the internet! Flip knows how they will justify that, but possible redemption?
Think about it - re-doing the last 2 seasons only makes any sense to hardcore geek types. They need to appeal to the largest audience numbers for synidcation / advertising revenue.
It'll be sequels, prequels and spin offs - just like star.wars / x men etc. It's a proven formula.
t. Even a rumour that 7 & 8 are going to be retconned makes the franchise seem a bit interesting again.Doubt it will happen though because even at the most basic level all the cast have grown up / moved on.
robemcdonald said:
Some Gump said:
robemcdonald said:
There is a rumour that they are going to redo the last two seasons.
Flip knows how they will justify that, but possible redemption?
Don't believe everything you read on the internet! Flip knows how they will justify that, but possible redemption?
Think about it - re-doing the last 2 seasons only makes any sense to hardcore geek types. They need to appeal to the largest audience numbers for synidcation / advertising revenue.
It'll be sequels, prequels and spin offs - just like star.wars / x men etc. It's a proven formula.
t. Even a rumour that 7 & 8 are going to be retconned makes the franchise seem a bit interesting again.Doubt it will happen though because even at the most basic level all the cast have grown up / moved on.
It's like saying you're not interested in watching Vikings because Boris Johnson ended up being Prime Minister.
V8mate said:
robemcdonald said:
Some Gump said:
robemcdonald said:
There is a rumour that they are going to redo the last two seasons.
Flip knows how they will justify that, but possible redemption?
Don't believe everything you read on the internet! Flip knows how they will justify that, but possible redemption?
Think about it - re-doing the last 2 seasons only makes any sense to hardcore geek types. They need to appeal to the largest audience numbers for synidcation / advertising revenue.
It'll be sequels, prequels and spin offs - just like star.wars / x men etc. It's a proven formula.
t. Even a rumour that 7 & 8 are going to be retconned makes the franchise seem a bit interesting again.Doubt it will happen though because even at the most basic level all the cast have grown up / moved on.
It's like saying you're not interested in watching Vikings because Boris Johnson ended up being Prime Minister.
This is where we are:
A “House of dragons. What’s that?”
B “it’s a spin off from game of thrones, remember that?”
A “I remember the ending was f
king ste”B “good point. You going to watch it.”
A “f
k that, I’d rather drink bleach”Where they want us to be:
A “they are going to redo the ending of game of thrones”
B “what? How are they going to do that?”
A “no idea, but it can’t be worse than what we ended up with can it?”
B “good point, are you going to watch the prequel thingy?”
A “I might have a look”
Nothing to do with Vikings or Boris.
(To be fair I think Boris could have probably come up with a better ending than the one we got)
V8mate said:
Given that the prequel is set 1,000(?) years earlier, I'm not sure what happened in GoT really matters at all.
It's like saying you're not interested in watching Vikings because Boris Johnson ended up being Prime Minister.
It's not what happened, it's how it was written. By the same guys who will be writing the new one, I believe.It's like saying you're not interested in watching Vikings because Boris Johnson ended up being Prime Minister.
It's like watching War & Peace only for the Battle of Borodino to be a single episode and the rest being an episode of Friends.
Then hearing that those same guys are writing a series on the Eastern Roman Empire.
SlimJim16v said:
I doubt those two s will be allowed anywhere near it.
Just googled it, glad that Benioff & Weiss aren't involved. s will be allowed anywhere near it. It's sad as I felt they did a great job of adapting very verbose and thick material for the first few seasons, but I guess trimming things for a good script and fleshing out the bones of an idea are two different skills.
glazbagun said:
SlimJim16v said:
I doubt those two s will be allowed anywhere near it.
Just googled it, glad that Benioff & Weiss aren't involved. s will be allowed anywhere near it. It's sad as I felt they did a great job of adapting very verbose and thick material for the first few seasons, but I guess trimming things for a good script and fleshing out the bones of an idea are two different skills.
So they rushed like f
k to just get it over so they could move onto Star Wars/etc., and be bajillionaires like Cameron and Spielberg.I experienced immense levels of schadenfreude when they got binned from Star Wars thanks to how they f
ked up GoT. The only reason so many people hated the ending (forgetting about the rush of it all) was because they thought it would be a happy American every after ending and not the ending they got, the ending that was planned. Remember Weiss and Benioff got the job to write the series from Martin because when he asked them who eventually sits on the Iron Throne they got it right.
FourWheelDrift said:
The only reason so many people hated the ending (forgetting about the rush of it all) was because they thought it would be a happy American every after ending and not the ending they got, the ending that was planned. Remember Weiss and Benioff got the job to write the series from Martin because when he asked them who eventually sits on the Iron Throne they got it right.
I agree with that to some extent. OK the quality also dropped a lot on the last series, mostly due to the aforementioned rush to get it finished, but a lot of people would have forgiven that a bit more if the ending was better. I know there is a bit of an obsession these days to have shock or melancholy endings so I wasn't too surprised that it didn't finish with the traditional happy ending but the bigger crime was that the ending just wasn't very satisfactory. It sort of fizzled out and after so many people had invested in the show for so long, it really deserved to go out with a bang rather than a bit of a whimper.
Having said all that, personally I'd have been fine with a happier ending too. It was pretty grim throughout most of the show so I think it could have done with a nicer pay-off at the end. What's actually wrong with the hero getting the girl and living happily ever after?
I had no problem with anyone's ending (apart from The Hound, who spent the entire show trying to retire peacefully with some cash and ends up on a personal quest to kill his brother for... reasons) but how they got there (and the rush) was rubbish.
Jon went from being a leader of men with an incredible story arc to "Yu Ar Muh Kween..." for two whole seasons. Varys went from knowing every time a fly farted to not knowing a fleet was sailing halfway around Westeros, Littlefinger talked his way into becoming one of the most powerful men alive using sheer cunning, detachment, plans within plans and a silver tongue yet is reduced to a begging idiot by some children and their impossible story in less than a minute. Who knows what all that Lord of Light/Children of the Forest stuff was about.
The show was great because of how the arcs showed the development and traits of the individuals. The characters in the final two seasons could have been anyone from anywhere. I think the guy who grew the most in the final season was Greyworm! Actually Jorah Friendzone had a decent ending, I guess.
Jon went from being a leader of men with an incredible story arc to "Yu Ar Muh Kween..." for two whole seasons. Varys went from knowing every time a fly farted to not knowing a fleet was sailing halfway around Westeros, Littlefinger talked his way into becoming one of the most powerful men alive using sheer cunning, detachment, plans within plans and a silver tongue yet is reduced to a begging idiot by some children and their impossible story in less than a minute. Who knows what all that Lord of Light/Children of the Forest stuff was about.
The show was great because of how the arcs showed the development and traits of the individuals. The characters in the final two seasons could have been anyone from anywhere. I think the guy who grew the most in the final season was Greyworm! Actually Jorah Friendzone had a decent ending, I guess.
FourWheelDrift said:
The only reason so many people hated the ending (forgetting about the rush of it all) was because they thought it would be a happy American every after ending and not the ending they got, the ending that was planned. Remember Weiss and Benioff got the job to write the series from Martin because when he asked them who eventually sits on the Iron Throne they got it right.
Nope.Even if I ignore the rushing:
s
t scripts.Awful, instantaneous changes in characters.
Confused, inexplicable positioning/movements.
Falling production standards.
I could go on.
The actual 'plot twist' - actually pretty good...
I wanted an ending where the Night King came out on top, and all those seasons of everyone striving, plotting and scheming came to nothing because they all got stomped on by something that didn't care about the politics or the throne.
Final shot should have been the throne abandoned in a ruin.
Final shot should have been the throne abandoned in a ruin.
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