Saving lives at sea: BBC 1
Discussion
I saw last week's episode and it was very good. It's also worth looking at the Solomon Browne documentary done by the BBC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeIX0VnUMKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeIX0VnUMKo
Ready and waiting.
And whilst people are waiting here's the story of Lynmouth Lifeboat from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynmouth_Lifeboat_...
And whilst people are waiting here's the story of Lynmouth Lifeboat from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynmouth_Lifeboat_...
Wikipedia said:
The Forrest Hall, a 1,900 ton three-masted ship with thirteen crew and five apprentices sailing down the channel from Bristol, got into trouble several miles east of Lynmouth on the evening of 12 January 1899. A severe gale had been blowing all day. She was being towed but lost her rudder and the rope broke; it looked as though she might be blown onto the shore.[1] At 19:52 a telegram reporting the problem was received at Lynmouth. The storm prevented a launch from the harbour so the Coxswain, Jack Crowcombe, proposed that the lifeboat be taken overland to Porlock Weir so that it could be launched there instead. This would entail a journey of 15 miles (24 km) and a climb of 1,423 feet (434 m).[3]
Louisa was 34 feet (10 m) long[1] and weighed 10 tons on its carriage. Six men were sent ahead to widen some parts of the road that were too narrow while about 100 people,[4] helped by 18 horses from Lynton, hauled the boat up the 1 in 4 (25%) Countisbury Hill. The carriage had to be repaired at one point when a wheel came off. At the top of the hill they took refreshments at the Blue Ball Inn then most of the people including the women and children turned back,[5] leaving just 20 men to control the boat as it descended another 1 in 4 hill down into Porlock. More horses were obtained to bring the team up to about 20 (although four died during the journey).[6] At Porlock the road was too narrow because of a wall but the owner let the men take down the corner of the house so that they could pass. Lower down a road had been washed away by the sea so a detour was necessary. The lifeboat finally reached the sea at 06:30 on 13 January.[3]
The crew launched straight away. After their 11-hour journey across Exmoor, they now had to row for an hour into the storm to reach the Forrest Hall which was anchored close to Hurlstone Point. The lifeboat stood by – the crew rowing continuously to hold a safe position – until daylight when two tugs arrived and managed to get a new rope across. Some of the lifeboatmen went on board to help raise the anchors as the crew were too tired to do it themselves. The tugs took it across the channel to Barry, accompanied by the Louisa and the Lynmouth lifeboat volunteers in case there were further problems.[3] They finally arrived in port at about 05:00 on 14 January.[6] The lifeboat crew were towed back to Lynmouth by a steam ship.
Louisa was 34 feet (10 m) long[1] and weighed 10 tons on its carriage. Six men were sent ahead to widen some parts of the road that were too narrow while about 100 people,[4] helped by 18 horses from Lynton, hauled the boat up the 1 in 4 (25%) Countisbury Hill. The carriage had to be repaired at one point when a wheel came off. At the top of the hill they took refreshments at the Blue Ball Inn then most of the people including the women and children turned back,[5] leaving just 20 men to control the boat as it descended another 1 in 4 hill down into Porlock. More horses were obtained to bring the team up to about 20 (although four died during the journey).[6] At Porlock the road was too narrow because of a wall but the owner let the men take down the corner of the house so that they could pass. Lower down a road had been washed away by the sea so a detour was necessary. The lifeboat finally reached the sea at 06:30 on 13 January.[3]
The crew launched straight away. After their 11-hour journey across Exmoor, they now had to row for an hour into the storm to reach the Forrest Hall which was anchored close to Hurlstone Point. The lifeboat stood by – the crew rowing continuously to hold a safe position – until daylight when two tugs arrived and managed to get a new rope across. Some of the lifeboatmen went on board to help raise the anchors as the crew were too tired to do it themselves. The tugs took it across the channel to Barry, accompanied by the Louisa and the Lynmouth lifeboat volunteers in case there were further problems.[3] They finally arrived in port at about 05:00 on 14 January.[6] The lifeboat crew were towed back to Lynmouth by a steam ship.
ecsrobin said:
Ready and waiting.
And whilst people are waiting here's the story of Lynmouth Lifeboat from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynmouth_Lifeboat_...
This famous action by the Lynmouth crew is used as a storyline in Jack Higgins' novel Storm Warning. His tale is set in WW2 and involves German Navy personnel who help the locals with the rescue. Holiday reading only.And whilst people are waiting here's the story of Lynmouth Lifeboat from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynmouth_Lifeboat_...
Wikipedia said:
The Forrest Hall, a 1,900 ton three-masted ship with thirteen crew and five apprentices sailing down the channel from Bristol, got into trouble several miles east of Lynmouth on the evening of 12 January 1899. A severe gale had been blowing all day. She was being towed but lost her rudder and the rope broke; it looked as though she might be blown onto the shore.[1] At 19:52 a telegram reporting the problem was received at Lynmouth. The storm prevented a launch from the harbour so the Coxswain, Jack Crowcombe, proposed that the lifeboat be taken overland to Porlock Weir so that it could be launched there instead. This would entail a journey of 15 miles (24 km) and a climb of 1,423 feet (434 m).[3]
Louisa was 34 feet (10 m) long[1] and weighed 10 tons on its carriage. Six men were sent ahead to widen some parts of the road that were too narrow while about 100 people,[4] helped by 18 horses from Lynton, hauled the boat up the 1 in 4 (25%) Countisbury Hill. The carriage had to be repaired at one point when a wheel came off. At the top of the hill they took refreshments at the Blue Ball Inn then most of the people including the women and children turned back,[5] leaving just 20 men to control the boat as it descended another 1 in 4 hill down into Porlock. More horses were obtained to bring the team up to about 20 (although four died during the journey).[6] At Porlock the road was too narrow because of a wall but the owner let the men take down the corner of the house so that they could pass. Lower down a road had been washed away by the sea so a detour was necessary. The lifeboat finally reached the sea at 06:30 on 13 January.[3]
The crew launched straight away. After their 11-hour journey across Exmoor, they now had to row for an hour into the storm to reach the Forrest Hall which was anchored close to Hurlstone Point. The lifeboat stood by – the crew rowing continuously to hold a safe position – until daylight when two tugs arrived and managed to get a new rope across. Some of the lifeboatmen went on board to help raise the anchors as the crew were too tired to do it themselves. The tugs took it across the channel to Barry, accompanied by the Louisa and the Lynmouth lifeboat volunteers in case there were further problems.[3] They finally arrived in port at about 05:00 on 14 January.[6] The lifeboat crew were towed back to Lynmouth by a steam ship.
Louisa was 34 feet (10 m) long[1] and weighed 10 tons on its carriage. Six men were sent ahead to widen some parts of the road that were too narrow while about 100 people,[4] helped by 18 horses from Lynton, hauled the boat up the 1 in 4 (25%) Countisbury Hill. The carriage had to be repaired at one point when a wheel came off. At the top of the hill they took refreshments at the Blue Ball Inn then most of the people including the women and children turned back,[5] leaving just 20 men to control the boat as it descended another 1 in 4 hill down into Porlock. More horses were obtained to bring the team up to about 20 (although four died during the journey).[6] At Porlock the road was too narrow because of a wall but the owner let the men take down the corner of the house so that they could pass. Lower down a road had been washed away by the sea so a detour was necessary. The lifeboat finally reached the sea at 06:30 on 13 January.[3]
The crew launched straight away. After their 11-hour journey across Exmoor, they now had to row for an hour into the storm to reach the Forrest Hall which was anchored close to Hurlstone Point. The lifeboat stood by – the crew rowing continuously to hold a safe position – until daylight when two tugs arrived and managed to get a new rope across. Some of the lifeboatmen went on board to help raise the anchors as the crew were too tired to do it themselves. The tugs took it across the channel to Barry, accompanied by the Louisa and the Lynmouth lifeboat volunteers in case there were further problems.[3] They finally arrived in port at about 05:00 on 14 January.[6] The lifeboat crew were towed back to Lynmouth by a steam ship.
Amused2death said:
Stupidity is alive and well.
Knackered speedboat, wife and kids. Boat capsises and not ONE lifejacket between the lot of 'em.
IMHO they should be prosecuted for endangering life
I see it all the time no life jacket no radio no flares nothing they buy a boat and off they go. usually they hit the first sand bank and that's as far as they get.Knackered speedboat, wife and kids. Boat capsises and not ONE lifejacket between the lot of 'em.
IMHO they should be prosecuted for endangering life
When they got a call out to retrieve the body for the Coroners office do the RNLI receive a payment?.
Amused2death said:
Stupidity is alive and well.
Knackered speedboat, wife and kids. Boat capsises and not ONE lifejacket between the lot of 'em.
IMHO they should be prosecuted for endangering life
Doing something at the boathouse one sunny day out on the rock a little fletcher type thing crawls up to the old pier, 4 twenty something's with a fuel can come over, directed them to the pump.Knackered speedboat, wife and kids. Boat capsises and not ONE lifejacket between the lot of 'em.
IMHO they should be prosecuted for endangering life
20 minutes later they are back, fuelled and getting back in, couple of us strolled over, we asked if they had life jackets, they don't need them as strong swimmers and they have mobiles (13 miles to the mainland, signals not great in the middle)
I asked if they have a radio, pointing to the dash they said yes,,,,,,,,,,,,
But the cassette doesn't work
Nowt we can do but advise.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Amused2death said:
Stupidity is alive and well.
Knackered speedboat, wife and kids. Boat capsises and not ONE lifejacket between the lot of 'em.
IMHO they should be prosecuted for endangering life
I see it all the time no life jacket no radio no flares nothing they buy a boat and off they go. usually they hit the first sand bank and that's as far as they get.Knackered speedboat, wife and kids. Boat capsises and not ONE lifejacket between the lot of 'em.
IMHO they should be prosecuted for endangering life
When they got a call out to retrieve the body for the Coroners office do the RNLI receive a payment?.
ecsrobin said:
Ready and waiting.
And whilst people are waiting here's the story of Lynmouth Lifeboat from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynmouth_Lifeboat_...
Its a common theme in the RNLI:And whilst people are waiting here's the story of Lynmouth Lifeboat from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynmouth_Lifeboat_...
Wikipedia said:
The Forrest Hall, a 1,900 ton three-masted ship with thirteen crew and five apprentices sailing down the channel from Bristol, got into trouble several miles east of Lynmouth on the evening of 12 January 1899. A severe gale had been blowing all day. She was being towed but lost her rudder and the rope broke; it looked as though she might be blown onto the shore.[1] At 19:52 a telegram reporting the problem was received at Lynmouth. The storm prevented a launch from the harbour so the Coxswain, Jack Crowcombe, proposed that the lifeboat be taken overland to Porlock Weir so that it could be launched there instead. This would entail a journey of 15 miles (24 km) and a climb of 1,423 feet (434 m).[3]
Louisa was 34 feet (10 m) long[1] and weighed 10 tons on its carriage. Six men were sent ahead to widen some parts of the road that were too narrow while about 100 people,[4] helped by 18 horses from Lynton, hauled the boat up the 1 in 4 (25%) Countisbury Hill. The carriage had to be repaired at one point when a wheel came off. At the top of the hill they took refreshments at the Blue Ball Inn then most of the people including the women and children turned back,[5] leaving just 20 men to control the boat as it descended another 1 in 4 hill down into Porlock. More horses were obtained to bring the team up to about 20 (although four died during the journey).[6] At Porlock the road was too narrow because of a wall but the owner let the men take down the corner of the house so that they could pass. Lower down a road had been washed away by the sea so a detour was necessary. The lifeboat finally reached the sea at 06:30 on 13 January.[3]
The crew launched straight away. After their 11-hour journey across Exmoor, they now had to row for an hour into the storm to reach the Forrest Hall which was anchored close to Hurlstone Point. The lifeboat stood by – the crew rowing continuously to hold a safe position – until daylight when two tugs arrived and managed to get a new rope across. Some of the lifeboatmen went on board to help raise the anchors as the crew were too tired to do it themselves. The tugs took it across the channel to Barry, accompanied by the Louisa and the Lynmouth lifeboat volunteers in case there were further problems.[3] They finally arrived in port at about 05:00 on 14 January.[6] The lifeboat crew were towed back to Lynmouth by a steam ship.
Louisa was 34 feet (10 m) long[1] and weighed 10 tons on its carriage. Six men were sent ahead to widen some parts of the road that were too narrow while about 100 people,[4] helped by 18 horses from Lynton, hauled the boat up the 1 in 4 (25%) Countisbury Hill. The carriage had to be repaired at one point when a wheel came off. At the top of the hill they took refreshments at the Blue Ball Inn then most of the people including the women and children turned back,[5] leaving just 20 men to control the boat as it descended another 1 in 4 hill down into Porlock. More horses were obtained to bring the team up to about 20 (although four died during the journey).[6] At Porlock the road was too narrow because of a wall but the owner let the men take down the corner of the house so that they could pass. Lower down a road had been washed away by the sea so a detour was necessary. The lifeboat finally reached the sea at 06:30 on 13 January.[3]
The crew launched straight away. After their 11-hour journey across Exmoor, they now had to row for an hour into the storm to reach the Forrest Hall which was anchored close to Hurlstone Point. The lifeboat stood by – the crew rowing continuously to hold a safe position – until daylight when two tugs arrived and managed to get a new rope across. Some of the lifeboatmen went on board to help raise the anchors as the crew were too tired to do it themselves. The tugs took it across the channel to Barry, accompanied by the Louisa and the Lynmouth lifeboat volunteers in case there were further problems.[3] They finally arrived in port at about 05:00 on 14 January.[6] The lifeboat crew were towed back to Lynmouth by a steam ship.
Wikipedia said:
A plaque in Robinhoods Bay records that a brig named "Visitor" ran aground on the 18 January 1881 during a violent storm. In order to save the crew, the lifeboat from Whitby was pulled 6 miles overland by 18 horses, with the 7 feet deep snowdrifts present at the time cleared by 200 men. The road down to the sea through Robin Hood's Bay village was narrow and had awkward bends, and men had to go ahead demolishing garden walls and uprooting bushes to make a way for the lifeboat carriage. It was launched two hours after leaving Whitby, with the crew of the Visitor rescued on the second attemp
More here: http://www.scarboroughsmaritimeheritage.org.uk/art...ecsrobin said:
I don't believe so. They are tasked like a normal tasking as it is considered too dangerous for the coroners to collect and if they did try they would soon need rescuing. It's the same with animal rescues, rescue the animal the owners won't then try and jump in to save it so it's almost a preemptive rescue.
Seems a bit of a cheek to have a publicly funded institution like the RNLI do work that maybe a properly funded Coast guard should be doing.Always been a huge admirer of the RNLI even before I got into boats but this has just reinforced my total admiration for these wonderful people. They really do represent the very best of our Country.
johnxjsc1985 said:
ecsrobin said:
I don't believe so. They are tasked like a normal tasking as it is considered too dangerous for the coroners to collect and if they did try they would soon need rescuing. It's the same with animal rescues, rescue the animal the owners won't then try and jump in to save it so it's almost a preemptive rescue.
Seems a bit of a cheek to have a publicly funded institution like the RNLI do work that maybe a properly funded Coast guard should be doing.Always been a huge admirer of the RNLI even before I got into boats but this has just reinforced my total admiration for these wonderful people. They really do represent the very best of our Country.
Not everybody that is rescued is grateful. Years ago, a catamaran on a round Britain yacht race capsized. The crew were rescued by helicopter. A few days later, our Hon Sec was contacted by the Coastguard to say that the catamaran had been sighted, but was now in a position where it was a potential hazard to shipping, so could we tow it in?
No problem - out we went, got it righted and towed it back, beaching it beside the lifeboat station. The owner arrived the next day and immediately went on board. He emerged a few minutes later:
"Where's my camera?"
"Sorry, what?"
"My camera was on board and isn't there now. Where is it? Who has it?"
Things got a bit heated thereafter when we tried to explain that we didn't have his camera and that it was probably several hundred fathoms down on the floor of the Atlantic! He even went so far as to report us to the police for stealing his camera...needless to say he was told by the police where to go.
The hulk lay for about a year until he sold it to someone.
No problem - out we went, got it righted and towed it back, beaching it beside the lifeboat station. The owner arrived the next day and immediately went on board. He emerged a few minutes later:
"Where's my camera?"
"Sorry, what?"
"My camera was on board and isn't there now. Where is it? Who has it?"
Things got a bit heated thereafter when we tried to explain that we didn't have his camera and that it was probably several hundred fathoms down on the floor of the Atlantic! He even went so far as to report us to the police for stealing his camera...needless to say he was told by the police where to go.
The hulk lay for about a year until he sold it to someone.
matchmaker said:
Not everybody that is rescued is grateful. Years ago, a catamaran on a round Britain yacht race capsized. The crew were rescued by helicopter. A few days later, our Hon Sec was contacted by the Coastguard to say that the catamaran had been sighted, but was now in a position where it was a potential hazard to shipping, so could we tow it in?
No problem - out we went, got it righted and towed it back, beaching it beside the lifeboat station. The owner arrived the next day and immediately went on board. He emerged a few minutes later:
"Where's my camera?"
"Sorry, what?"
"My camera was on board and isn't there now. Where is it? Who has it?"
Things got a bit heated thereafter when we tried to explain that we didn't have his camera and that it was probably several hundred fathoms down on the floor of the Atlantic! He even went so far as to report us to the police for stealing his camera...needless to say he was told by the police where to go.
The hulk lay for about a year until he sold it to someone.
What a nice guy.Let hope Karma is true and one day he may reflect on his behaviourNo problem - out we went, got it righted and towed it back, beaching it beside the lifeboat station. The owner arrived the next day and immediately went on board. He emerged a few minutes later:
"Where's my camera?"
"Sorry, what?"
"My camera was on board and isn't there now. Where is it? Who has it?"
Things got a bit heated thereafter when we tried to explain that we didn't have his camera and that it was probably several hundred fathoms down on the floor of the Atlantic! He even went so far as to report us to the police for stealing his camera...needless to say he was told by the police where to go.
The hulk lay for about a year until he sold it to someone.
I watched the first programme and have the second recorded. Very interesting and hats off to the volunteers. I'd seen RNLI boats used in the flooding on TV news and wondered if they'd moved into that too.
It's a good programme, although I don't like the "stare at the camera" style that several of these type of shows use. It's a bit creepy I find. The fat lass who had a panic attack just needed a good slap as well.
It's a good programme, although I don't like the "stare at the camera" style that several of these type of shows use. It's a bit creepy I find. The fat lass who had a panic attack just needed a good slap as well.
Do the RNLI have or use thermal imaging? Would it be useful for them to have it when trying to find a person in the water or on some rocks who's blending nicely with their black wetsuit?
I was thinking too they could have a drone launch from the boat with a FLIR camera on it to go out and get a better view or closer inspection of stuff. Athlon might be able to answer that....
I was thinking too they could have a drone launch from the boat with a FLIR camera on it to go out and get a better view or closer inspection of stuff. Athlon might be able to answer that....
Otispunkmeyer said:
Do the RNLI have or use thermal imaging? Would it be useful for them to have it when trying to find a person in the water or on some rocks who's blending nicely with their black wetsuit?
I was thinking too they could have a drone launch from the boat with a FLIR camera on it to go out and get a better view or closer inspection of stuff. Athlon might be able to answer that....
The problem with FLIR is you're looking for a football sized object in the sea that is cooling its temperature at a rapid rate. However I believe lifeboats are equipped with flir although it could be just ALB'sI was thinking too they could have a drone launch from the boat with a FLIR camera on it to go out and get a better view or closer inspection of stuff. Athlon might be able to answer that....
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