Saving lives at sea: BBC 1
Discussion
CoolHands said:
Whaboutism? What about cost benefit analysis
I’ll quote myself again as you’ve clearly missed it. ecsrobin said:
As soon as a report comes in of a crash in the water the helicopter will be scrambled the same time as the lifeboat. By the time the lifeboat finds him it probably was seconds away so despite the fact he looks alright and the show says the helm made the call for a helicopter it’s probably already on scene or close by and easier to pass him onto the paramedic on the helicopter rather than the first aiders on the lifeboat.
So the cost is probably the same / not much different than if the lifeboat said no he’s ok turn the helicopter off.
So the cost is probably the same / not much different than if the lifeboat said no he’s ok turn the helicopter off.
Athlon said:
CoolHands said:
Helicopter! Nothing wrong with that bloke. Think of the expense!
Edit: confirmed released from hospital, no injuries, it smacks of boys and their toys.
Did they know that at the time though? Internal injury? secondary drowning? What if they just let him go and he died? Always better to be safe and the Helicopter would be tasked already anyway...Edit: confirmed released from hospital, no injuries, it smacks of boys and their toys.
Edited by CoolHands on Tuesday 17th September 20:42
CoolHands said:
Helicopter! Nothing wrong with that bloke. Think of the expense!
Edit: confirmed released from hospital, no injuries, it smacks of boys and their toys.
Just properly watched this episode this evening. The fact it took 16min from call coming in to guy in hospital I’d suggest the aircraft was already airborne probably on training so apart from the points already been raised by me I imagine the cost was minimal as the aircraft was already burning holes in the sky. Edit: confirmed released from hospital, no injuries, it smacks of boys and their toys.
Edited by CoolHands on Tuesday 17th September 20:42
Obviously cost should never come into it.
Watched it tonight. I confess it did look like a lot of farting around, but then when they said it was 16 mins from call to hospital, yeah that's impressive.
I do think though that they thought he'd crashed / fallen, and were worried about injuries from that (the narration hinted at as much), so were being very cautious. In fact, I think he just ran out of lift and landed gently in the sea. The danger there is getting tangled up and drowning rather than impact injuries, so given he'd got away from his gear and they'd picked him up, it was very likely (as long as he hadn't taken in lots of water) that he was not going to be suffering anything major. The language barrier probably also made them more cautious.
I do think though that they thought he'd crashed / fallen, and were worried about injuries from that (the narration hinted at as much), so were being very cautious. In fact, I think he just ran out of lift and landed gently in the sea. The danger there is getting tangled up and drowning rather than impact injuries, so given he'd got away from his gear and they'd picked him up, it was very likely (as long as he hadn't taken in lots of water) that he was not going to be suffering anything major. The language barrier probably also made them more cautious.
CoolHands said:
We’ll never agree cos I think cost should come in to it. I don’t subscribe to the “if it saves just 1 life it’s worth it” type mentality. Unless it’s my own, obvs.
A contract is provided by the government to the operator of the helicopters for a fixed term of I think 10 years, so they are paid the same wether they sit on the ground for 10 years or fly. So for every rescue by any emergency service you are saying they should pull the credit card machine out and ask what card you have before rescuing you?
What’s the difference then in someone who crashes their car and gets help vs someone who crashes their paraglider? Both went out for fun.
Good one tonight, these fellas are top blokes. Beggars belief when they put themselves at risk and find ill equipped uninformed numpties like the barefoot bloke who anchored in the shallows in the face of a serious storm, no lifejacket or owt.
How on earth did that Cargo ship develop such a list just out of Port though - is there an accident / incident report on these just like when a plane goes down?
How on earth did that Cargo ship develop such a list just out of Port though - is there an accident / incident report on these just like when a plane goes down?
240Cup said:
Good one tonight, these fellas are top blokes. Beggars belief when they put themselves at risk and find ill equipped uninformed numpties like the barefoot bloke who anchored in the shallows in the face of a serious storm, no lifejacket or owt.
How on earth did that Cargo ship develop such a list just out of Port though - is there an accident / incident report on these just like when a plane goes down?
https://www.gov.uk/maib-reportsHow on earth did that Cargo ship develop such a list just out of Port though - is there an accident / incident report on these just like when a plane goes down?
Athlon said:
240Cup said:
Good one tonight, these fellas are top blokes. Beggars belief when they put themselves at risk and find ill equipped uninformed numpties like the barefoot bloke who anchored in the shallows in the face of a serious storm, no lifejacket or owt.
How on earth did that Cargo ship develop such a list just out of Port though - is there an accident / incident report on these just like when a plane goes down?
https://www.gov.uk/maib-reportsHow on earth did that Cargo ship develop such a list just out of Port though - is there an accident / incident report on these just like when a plane goes down?
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