Dunkirk - Christopher Nolan film
Discussion
Dakkon said:
I thought the film was ok at best, the problem is the film did not live up to the media hype, I was left very underwhelmed by it all, certainly not a film to buy, why would you ever watch it twice?
I saw a poster for the dvd in WH Smith. 'Masterpiece' was emblazoned across the top of it.Dakkon said:
why would you ever watch it twice?
Why would you ever read a book twice, or listen to an album twice?Perhaps because you wanted to? Because you may see or hear or feel stuff second time around you didn't last time?
I can understand why people don't watch films twice... you need to understand that many people do, and for good reasons.
ETA, I watched 'Road to Perdition' a second time with the TV (screen) off, just so I could just listen to the music. It was better second time round!
I might watch this again with the volume down as Zimmer's soundtrack was a bit too IN YOUR EARS for me
Edited by GetCarter on Tuesday 9th January 15:13
Supercilious Sid said:
Eric Mc said:
Supercilious Sid said:
But they had the right stuff about them. This simply didn't.
If you can define "the right stuff" in this context, please do so.I've read the book zillions of times
blackmme said:
Quite frankly we should expect more and better, Band of Brothers is now 17 years old (scary) and yet in every single episode nails the scale and scope of what it was trying to portray (from the vast like D-Day to intimate such as the woods outside of Bastogne) using whatever physical and virtual tricks were available to do so. It put the story it was trying to tell first.
It's still bloody fantastic. And it is scary that it's 17 years old! Some of the effects are a bit coarse by today's standards but that's just nit-picking. Really is a brilliant bit of film making.
Everyone on this thread please make sure you get hold of BoBrothers and give it a watch.
It would be cracking on a 20k home system by the way.
There were two films about WW2 on TV New Years Day, both more entertaining, and factually correct.
The first was Downfall.
And, here’s a clip from the 2nd...
https://youtu.be/fs33mAlkXDI
The first was Downfall.
And, here’s a clip from the 2nd...
https://youtu.be/fs33mAlkXDI
t film because of the wrong uniforms and lack of gang rape! I first saw the film at Bluewater Imax. Was very disappointed first time around. The soundtrack was far too loud and the limited dialogue was inaudible, and of course there are the much discussed historical errors which to a large extent I can forgive. Saw it on blu-ray at home and enjoyed it second time around, having had time to consider the impact the film will have on younger viewers who know little about what went on at Dunkirk. This for me is a positive.
What I find it hard to forgive isn't the errors, it's the omissions, specifically the lack of acknowledgement of the contribution of the merchant navy. Yes the idea of the 'little ships' is more evocative for many, but the contribution of the merchant navy was huge. Nolan chose to ignore this much to my disappointment.
Dunkirk plays a large part in my family history. My wife's great grandfather was the captain of the RMS Lady of Mann, one of the eight Isle of Man Steam Packet ships that were present. and won the OBE for his war service. He made four trips to Dunkirk, and the Lady of Mann rescued more soldiers than any other vessel involved. In fact the Manx ships rescued 1 in 14 of all soldiers taken off the beaches. Three Manx ships were lost in the action.
Here's an extract from Wikipedia:
Under the command of her Master Captain T.C. (Daddy) Woods O.B.E., the Lady of Mann joined seven of her Steam Packet sisters at Dunkirk and then at the evacuation of the north-western French ports. After this she spent four years on transport work from Lerwick. She then went south and was engaged in the D-Day landings on the Cherbourg Peninsula.
Requisitioned as a personnel ship at the outbreak of war, she had a good turn of speed, and was able to get in and out of the Dunkirk bombardments and lift 4,262 men back to the relative safety of Dover and Folkestone. She remained for six hours in Dunkirk harbour on 31 May 1940, despite having been damaged by shellfire from shore batteries on her approach and being bombed by enemy aircraft.
She emerged from the bombing with little damage and claimed one enemy aircraft shot down. She was back at Dunkirk in the early hours of 1 June and took off 1,500 casualties. The following day, 2 June, she again steamed into Dunkirk but was ordered back for lack of troops, as by this time the evacuation was drawing towards its close. She picked up 18 French soldiers from a small boat on her way back and landed them in England. On the night of 3 June, she made her last trip to the shattered harbour. She berthed alongside the East Pier at a little after midnight on the morning of 4 June, and left for England after embarking another 1,244 troops in little over an hour. Later that afternoon, Operation Dynamo ended.
Over the period of the evacuation, the Lady of Mann had lifted more troops to safety than any other vessel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lady_of_Mann
Here's a letter we have at home. We have his complete life story on paper, from birth to death certificates, merchant navy records, personal correspondence and OBE. It is currently on loan to the Manx Museum, and will be donated to them eventually.
What I find it hard to forgive isn't the errors, it's the omissions, specifically the lack of acknowledgement of the contribution of the merchant navy. Yes the idea of the 'little ships' is more evocative for many, but the contribution of the merchant navy was huge. Nolan chose to ignore this much to my disappointment.
Dunkirk plays a large part in my family history. My wife's great grandfather was the captain of the RMS Lady of Mann, one of the eight Isle of Man Steam Packet ships that were present. and won the OBE for his war service. He made four trips to Dunkirk, and the Lady of Mann rescued more soldiers than any other vessel involved. In fact the Manx ships rescued 1 in 14 of all soldiers taken off the beaches. Three Manx ships were lost in the action.
Here's an extract from Wikipedia:
Under the command of her Master Captain T.C. (Daddy) Woods O.B.E., the Lady of Mann joined seven of her Steam Packet sisters at Dunkirk and then at the evacuation of the north-western French ports. After this she spent four years on transport work from Lerwick. She then went south and was engaged in the D-Day landings on the Cherbourg Peninsula.
Requisitioned as a personnel ship at the outbreak of war, she had a good turn of speed, and was able to get in and out of the Dunkirk bombardments and lift 4,262 men back to the relative safety of Dover and Folkestone. She remained for six hours in Dunkirk harbour on 31 May 1940, despite having been damaged by shellfire from shore batteries on her approach and being bombed by enemy aircraft.
She emerged from the bombing with little damage and claimed one enemy aircraft shot down. She was back at Dunkirk in the early hours of 1 June and took off 1,500 casualties. The following day, 2 June, she again steamed into Dunkirk but was ordered back for lack of troops, as by this time the evacuation was drawing towards its close. She picked up 18 French soldiers from a small boat on her way back and landed them in England. On the night of 3 June, she made her last trip to the shattered harbour. She berthed alongside the East Pier at a little after midnight on the morning of 4 June, and left for England after embarking another 1,244 troops in little over an hour. Later that afternoon, Operation Dynamo ended.
Over the period of the evacuation, the Lady of Mann had lifted more troops to safety than any other vessel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lady_of_Mann
Here's a letter we have at home. We have his complete life story on paper, from birth to death certificates, merchant navy records, personal correspondence and OBE. It is currently on loan to the Manx Museum, and will be donated to them eventually.
Edited by WelshChris on Friday 12th January 16:40
Edited by WelshChris on Friday 12th January 16:41
272BHP said:
Just watched this and thought it was quite enjoyable although perhaps lacking an emotional hit.
The quality of the Bluray transfer is just astonishing though. Switching to full screen for scenery had a great impact and the scenes of the Spitfire over the beaches was jaw dropping.
As was when it burnt and WOW wheres the engine gone!The quality of the Bluray transfer is just astonishing though. Switching to full screen for scenery had a great impact and the scenes of the Spitfire over the beaches was jaw dropping.
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