Is Shmee150 going to be the new Chris Harris?
Discussion
hondansx said:
Really boils my p*ss to see this guy get even more attention with a thread - and now I'm helping him!
It's even more irritating that people defend the guy, together with these 'upcoming' car vloggers on the basis of "don't like it, don't watch it."
I have no problem with Shmee as a person - it's not his fault for having a punchable face. I often look in the mirror and have the same reaction. It's also cool if he wants to wear cardigans - he's comfortable with who he is and I respect that. I also give him my full support to spunk family money on motors - I bloody would! Anyone else who says otherwise is just jealous.
But what's not right is the creation of the image from him - and others - that they are self made, and their lifestyle is attainable. They are selling an impossible dream to a legion of kids who are going to grow up to become disappointed, bitter adults.
Then there is the even more widespread issues of vloggers and others with big social media accounts - zero integrity. Shmee is the perfect illustration of this - hand me a set of keys and I will rave about your car with my random adjective maker. This is endemic throughout social media and basically means you can't trust anyone's opinion. I can only hope that will eventually self correct; there's only so many people who will try charcoal teeth whitener kits before the general consensus is that this is all BS.
Welcome to 2017.It's even more irritating that people defend the guy, together with these 'upcoming' car vloggers on the basis of "don't like it, don't watch it."
I have no problem with Shmee as a person - it's not his fault for having a punchable face. I often look in the mirror and have the same reaction. It's also cool if he wants to wear cardigans - he's comfortable with who he is and I respect that. I also give him my full support to spunk family money on motors - I bloody would! Anyone else who says otherwise is just jealous.
But what's not right is the creation of the image from him - and others - that they are self made, and their lifestyle is attainable. They are selling an impossible dream to a legion of kids who are going to grow up to become disappointed, bitter adults.
Then there is the even more widespread issues of vloggers and others with big social media accounts - zero integrity. Shmee is the perfect illustration of this - hand me a set of keys and I will rave about your car with my random adjective maker. This is endemic throughout social media and basically means you can't trust anyone's opinion. I can only hope that will eventually self correct; there's only so many people who will try charcoal teeth whitener kits before the general consensus is that this is all BS.
I don't like it any more than you do.
The wisest thing, I've found, is to simply pretend none of these talentless, vacuous spoilt brats don't exist, because it's not good for your well-being to let it get to you.
Life, as they say, is a b
h!The level of vitriol in this thread is disturbing. Or sad. Yeah, fairly sad. Assuming you're all just keyboard warriors.
I was always taught to never say something behind someone's back that I wouldn't say to their face. I like to think that should apply to the social media a forum world too.
I'm pretty sure none of you would say the things you've written here to Tim's face. Therefore it's all just keyboard blustering.
I was always taught to never say something behind someone's back that I wouldn't say to their face. I like to think that should apply to the social media a forum world too.
I'm pretty sure none of you would say the things you've written here to Tim's face. Therefore it's all just keyboard blustering.
Beefmeister said:
The level of vitriol in this thread is disturbing. Or sad. Yeah, fairly sad. Assuming you're all just keyboard warriors.
I was always taught to never say something behind someone's back that I wouldn't say to their face. I like to think that should apply to the social media a forum world too.
I'm pretty sure none of you would say the things you've written here to Tim's face. Therefore it's all just keyboard blustering.
That's pretty ironic really as this is all about a guy who promotes himself via a social media platform. When did you become his PA?I was always taught to never say something behind someone's back that I wouldn't say to their face. I like to think that should apply to the social media a forum world too.
I'm pretty sure none of you would say the things you've written here to Tim's face. Therefore it's all just keyboard blustering.
I don't even know where to begin!
This thread has been brought back up after a year or so, during which time this market has actually changed quite substantially however the number one thing I would like to stress is in answer to the thread title "Is Shmee150 going to be the new Chris Harris?", no, Shmee150 doesn't want to be the new Chris Harris and won't be.
When it comes to reviewing cars, I am not trying to be like Chris; not only because he has about 20 years on me with an awful lot of experience during that time but also because of the complete change in the way we produce content. Chris is a fantastic car reviewer, a man I looked up to and watched many videos of in his earlier days and during the lifespan of Drivers Republic, and he's not alone in that world with many videos appearing online daily in that style.
The fundamental thing that I think a lot of people don't grasp here is that by virtue of the fact we're communicating on Pistonheads, users here are more likely in a hardcore automotive niche rather than representative of the mass public. If I created content that was directed for this tight audience, it would be a minority and never succeed as a business and we wouldn't be having this conversation to start because you wouldn't know about it. What I choose to do is create content I like the idea of and people seem to find that interesting or it wouldn't be on the receiving end of so much traffic.
The automotive content market is changing rapidly like any other industry and as I wrote in the other thread, it's in the hands of more traditional journalists to make sure their content continues to be seen. Perhaps rather than relying on outdated methodologies they need to focus a part of their creativity on defining what comes next. Technologies change, cultures change, ideas and understanding changes; YouTube won't be around forever and we're all just as equal at finding the next thing as one-another.
This thread has been brought back up after a year or so, during which time this market has actually changed quite substantially however the number one thing I would like to stress is in answer to the thread title "Is Shmee150 going to be the new Chris Harris?", no, Shmee150 doesn't want to be the new Chris Harris and won't be.
When it comes to reviewing cars, I am not trying to be like Chris; not only because he has about 20 years on me with an awful lot of experience during that time but also because of the complete change in the way we produce content. Chris is a fantastic car reviewer, a man I looked up to and watched many videos of in his earlier days and during the lifespan of Drivers Republic, and he's not alone in that world with many videos appearing online daily in that style.
The fundamental thing that I think a lot of people don't grasp here is that by virtue of the fact we're communicating on Pistonheads, users here are more likely in a hardcore automotive niche rather than representative of the mass public. If I created content that was directed for this tight audience, it would be a minority and never succeed as a business and we wouldn't be having this conversation to start because you wouldn't know about it. What I choose to do is create content I like the idea of and people seem to find that interesting or it wouldn't be on the receiving end of so much traffic.
The automotive content market is changing rapidly like any other industry and as I wrote in the other thread, it's in the hands of more traditional journalists to make sure their content continues to be seen. Perhaps rather than relying on outdated methodologies they need to focus a part of their creativity on defining what comes next. Technologies change, cultures change, ideas and understanding changes; YouTube won't be around forever and we're all just as equal at finding the next thing as one-another.
Beefmeister said:
The level of vitriol in this thread is disturbing. Or sad. Yeah, fairly sad. Assuming you're all just keyboard warriors.
I was always taught to never say something behind someone's back that I wouldn't say to their face. I like to think that should apply to the social media a forum world too.
I'm pretty sure none of you would say the things you've written here to Tim's face. Therefore it's all just keyboard blustering.
Tim is actually on this site FYI and has posted on here before a few times. I don't think he's got a problem with people displaying their opinions and surely, within his line of work, he leaves himself open to criticisms/comments from the general public. In fact, he actually promotes such behaviour, to a degree, if you think about it.I was always taught to never say something behind someone's back that I wouldn't say to their face. I like to think that should apply to the social media a forum world too.
I'm pretty sure none of you would say the things you've written here to Tim's face. Therefore it's all just keyboard blustering.
If you're going to get annoyed, for some reason, for allowing people to have their own personal say on these platforms, then i'd suggest getting in touch with YouTube and these forums directly and suggest that they delete their comments section. That's who you should really be venting your annoyance towards.
I like them both but they are very different.
Some of Tim's stuff doesn't float my boat and his partnering with that dubious trading company was a poor decision IMO but some of his stuff is interesting and entertaining e.g his recent VMAX on the Autobahn in the 675.
If you really wanted to know the ins and outs of a cars dynamics you probably wouldn't watch him but then that's not his target audience.
Harris is in another league as a driver and can properly dissect a cars performance. I also like the fact he stuck to his principles and called out Ferrari about their press cars even though he knew he would get blacklisted by them.
Hard to imagine the 'tubers doing similar.
Some of Tim's stuff doesn't float my boat and his partnering with that dubious trading company was a poor decision IMO but some of his stuff is interesting and entertaining e.g his recent VMAX on the Autobahn in the 675.
If you really wanted to know the ins and outs of a cars dynamics you probably wouldn't watch him but then that's not his target audience.
Harris is in another league as a driver and can properly dissect a cars performance. I also like the fact he stuck to his principles and called out Ferrari about their press cars even though he knew he would get blacklisted by them.
Hard to imagine the 'tubers doing similar.
yonex said:
That's pretty ironic really as this is all about a guy who promotes himself via a social media platform. When did you become his PA?
It's his job to pop up and defend them at every given opportunity. Yet he'll never be one of them.Must grate.
Well done to Shmee and Co. for monetising the small number of genuine supercar buyers and the large number of vacuous who aren't through cobbled together Youtube content.
I wouldn't have the time or inclination for all the hassle and time just to peddle about in a car.
culpz said:
Tim is actually on this site FYI and has posted on here before a few times. I don't think he's got a problem with people displaying their opinions and surely, within his line of work, he leaves himself open to criticisms/comments from the general public. In fact, he actually promotes such behaviour, to a degree, if you think about it.
If you're going to get annoyed, for some reason, for allowing people to have their own personal say on these platforms, then i'd suggest getting in touch with YouTube and these forums directly and suggest that they delete their comments section. That's who you should really be venting your annoyance towards.
I have no issue with people voicing their opinion, in fact I actively encourage it. But what I do not like are the nasty personal comments that get made, not just towards Tim but many others. Necks need to be wound in by those keyboard warriors. If you're going to get annoyed, for some reason, for allowing people to have their own personal say on these platforms, then i'd suggest getting in touch with YouTube and these forums directly and suggest that they delete their comments section. That's who you should really be venting your annoyance towards.
Beefmeister said:
I have no issue with people voicing their opinion, in fact I actively encourage it. But what I do not like are the nasty personal comments that get made, not just towards Tim but many others. Necks need to be wound in by those keyboard warriors.
I agree. All i'm saying is that when you're out there doing what Tim does and making videos for YouTube, there are always going to be types out there trolling or on the wind-up. It's the exact same thing on here.Do you really think that all he expected was nothing but positivity and delightful comments? Unfortunately, it's the world we live in today. We don't live in a fairy-tale and you'd be very naive to expect anything else.
Ultimately, he knew what he was getting into when he started. All these similar YouTuber's did too. I doubt that they're particularly shocked by anything they've seen or read.
Edited by culpz on Tuesday 26th September 16:56
Beefmeister said:
I have no issue with people voicing their opinion, in fact I actively encourage it. But what I do not like are the nasty personal comments that get made, not just towards Tim but many others. Necks need to be wound in by those keyboard warriors.
That's quite ironic, coming from a guy who throws out insults to other posters himself!Beefmeister said:
I have no issue with people voicing their opinion, in fact I actively encourage it. But what I do not like are the nasty personal comments that get made, not just towards Tim but many others. Necks need to be wound in by those keyboard warriors.
I will tell you your posts are awful in real life if you want m8.yonex said:
Beefmeister said:
The level of vitriol in this thread is disturbing. Or sad. Yeah, fairly sad. Assuming you're all just keyboard warriors.
I was always taught to never say something behind someone's back that I wouldn't say to their face. I like to think that should apply to the social media a forum world too.
I'm pretty sure none of you would say the things you've written here to Tim's face. Therefore it's all just keyboard blustering.
That's pretty ironic really as this is all about a guy who promotes himself via a social media platform. When did you become his PA?I was always taught to never say something behind someone's back that I wouldn't say to their face. I like to think that should apply to the social media a forum world too.
I'm pretty sure none of you would say the things you've written here to Tim's face. Therefore it's all just keyboard blustering.
Nope.
However, and this is an unpopular opinion, Chris Harris' reviews seem to be on some kind of bizarre repeat. Watch one of his many 911 GT3 reviews. In fact, just listen to the audio - they're practically interchangeable.
They're good reviews, but i'd like to see him review a bunch of different cars, rather than the same type of car over and over again.
However, and this is an unpopular opinion, Chris Harris' reviews seem to be on some kind of bizarre repeat. Watch one of his many 911 GT3 reviews. In fact, just listen to the audio - they're practically interchangeable.
They're good reviews, but i'd like to see him review a bunch of different cars, rather than the same type of car over and over again.
AshBurrows said:
Beefmeister said:
Quaking in my boots. Anyway, as with most threads on PH I really can't be bothered with it. Done.
It's not supposed to be scary it's supposed to illustrate that people are happy to say they don't like *thing* in real life hahaha.
Shmee said:
I don't even know where to begin!
This thread has been brought back up after a year or so, during which time this market has actually changed quite substantially however the number one thing I would like to stress is in answer to the thread title "Is Shmee150 going to be the new Chris Harris?", no, Shmee150 doesn't want to be the new Chris Harris and won't be.
When it comes to reviewing cars, I am not trying to be like Chris; not only because he has about 20 years on me with an awful lot of experience during that time but also because of the complete change in the way we produce content. Chris is a fantastic car reviewer, a man I looked up to and watched many videos of in his earlier days and during the lifespan of Drivers Republic, and he's not alone in that world with many videos appearing online daily in that style.
The fundamental thing that I think a lot of people don't grasp here is that by virtue of the fact we're communicating on Pistonheads, users here are more likely in a hardcore automotive niche rather than representative of the mass public. If I created content that was directed for this tight audience, it would be a minority and never succeed as a business and we wouldn't be having this conversation to start because you wouldn't know about it. What I choose to do is create content I like the idea of and people seem to find that interesting or it wouldn't be on the receiving end of so much traffic.
The automotive content market is changing rapidly like any other industry and as I wrote in the other thread, it's in the hands of more traditional journalists to make sure their content continues to be seen. Perhaps rather than relying on outdated methodologies they need to focus a part of their creativity on defining what comes next. Technologies change, cultures change, ideas and understanding changes; YouTube won't be around forever and we're all just as equal at finding the next thing as one-another.
Top marks for having the balls to stand out in the thread with people having a go at you. I notice everyone just ignored your post. This thread has been brought back up after a year or so, during which time this market has actually changed quite substantially however the number one thing I would like to stress is in answer to the thread title "Is Shmee150 going to be the new Chris Harris?", no, Shmee150 doesn't want to be the new Chris Harris and won't be.
When it comes to reviewing cars, I am not trying to be like Chris; not only because he has about 20 years on me with an awful lot of experience during that time but also because of the complete change in the way we produce content. Chris is a fantastic car reviewer, a man I looked up to and watched many videos of in his earlier days and during the lifespan of Drivers Republic, and he's not alone in that world with many videos appearing online daily in that style.
The fundamental thing that I think a lot of people don't grasp here is that by virtue of the fact we're communicating on Pistonheads, users here are more likely in a hardcore automotive niche rather than representative of the mass public. If I created content that was directed for this tight audience, it would be a minority and never succeed as a business and we wouldn't be having this conversation to start because you wouldn't know about it. What I choose to do is create content I like the idea of and people seem to find that interesting or it wouldn't be on the receiving end of so much traffic.
The automotive content market is changing rapidly like any other industry and as I wrote in the other thread, it's in the hands of more traditional journalists to make sure their content continues to be seen. Perhaps rather than relying on outdated methodologies they need to focus a part of their creativity on defining what comes next. Technologies change, cultures change, ideas and understanding changes; YouTube won't be around forever and we're all just as equal at finding the next thing as one-another.
I doubt YouTube is going anywhere soon. It's the first place the majority of people look for videos of any kind. It looks to me as if it's only going to get bigger.
I'd also disagree that Pistonheads is a hardcore niche type of place. There is a balance of people on here and most people are the masses.
I am curious who watches your videos as the majority of the views I see say they don't. You're quite clearly the Rick Astley of the car review world.
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