Logan - New Wolverine movie
Discussion
I saw this at the weekend and went in thinking I would hate it, however I found it to be quite excellent. I do have one fundamental question though.
Prior to the question a disclaimer. I know its a comic book movie and things don't always make sense and that with the xmen films continuity is efffectivley out of the window.
regarding the Adamantium Bullet. Where did it come from? If it is referring back to the Wolverine origins movie then fine.... Except wasn't that timeline wiped out by days of future past? If not then fine.... Except didn't Wolverine get shot in the head by an Adamantium bullet in that movie and he only lost his memory, so maybe X24 is like X23 and doesn't have Adamantium bonded to his entire skeleton, which is fine.... Except if he doesn't have an Adamantium skull then why does it take an Adamantium bullet to blow his brains out?
Prior to the question a disclaimer. I know its a comic book movie and things don't always make sense and that with the xmen films continuity is efffectivley out of the window.
regarding the Adamantium Bullet. Where did it come from? If it is referring back to the Wolverine origins movie then fine.... Except wasn't that timeline wiped out by days of future past? If not then fine.... Except didn't Wolverine get shot in the head by an Adamantium bullet in that movie and he only lost his memory, so maybe X24 is like X23 and doesn't have Adamantium bonded to his entire skeleton, which is fine.... Except if he doesn't have an Adamantium skull then why does it take an Adamantium bullet to blow his brains out?
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Why were the Baddies so worried about getting the children before they made it to the Canadian border? Were they worried about getting in trouble for doing bad things in a different country? If so that's fine.... Except how come they didn't mind busting things up in Mexico earlier in the film? Is Canada stricter about illegal government black ops than Mexico
Why were the Baddies so worried about getting the children before they made it to the Canadian border? Were they worried about getting in trouble for doing bad things in a different country? If so that's fine.... Except how come they didn't mind busting things up in Mexico earlier in the film? Is Canada stricter about illegal government black ops than Mexico
robemcdonald said:
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Why were the Baddies so worried about getting the children before they made it to the Canadian border? Were they worried about getting in trouble for doing bad things in a different country? If so that's fine.... Except how come they didn't mind busting things up in Mexico earlier in the film? Is Canada stricter about illegal government black ops than Mexico
Because Justin Trudeau welcomes mutants and defends their rights Why were the Baddies so worried about getting the children before they made it to the Canadian border? Were they worried about getting in trouble for doing bad things in a different country? If so that's fine.... Except how come they didn't mind busting things up in Mexico earlier in the film? Is Canada stricter about illegal government black ops than Mexico
I've read somewhere that in some comic book it's said that Canada holds the largest and well protected mutant settlement in the hemisphere.Yep in comic book law, Canada is a safe haven, in fact Eden actually exists in the comic universe although I like the little play they have in the film where Logan reckons it's all made up BS, it leaves it rather ambiguous whether it actually exists or not.
However with the bullet you are spot on, Wolvie has already been shot in the head once with an adamantium bullet, he suffered nothing worse than a slight headache and a bit of amnesia, not sure why it killed X24 dead, maybe they are hoping we've forgotten the previous Wolverine film?
However with the bullet you are spot on, Wolvie has already been shot in the head once with an adamantium bullet, he suffered nothing worse than a slight headache and a bit of amnesia, not sure why it killed X24 dead, maybe they are hoping we've forgotten the previous Wolverine film?
so the baddies have genetically engineered a crop that basically destroys the mutant gene on a global level, but care about international borders with Canada. I get that Canada is neutral in the comics, but just don't believe they would just turn around and go home at the border.
Also Corn syrup is used in sugary drinks in the US, but the rest of the world uses Cane or Beet Sugar, so there should still be mutants elsewhere. Yes very pedantic I know
I did really think it was excellent though.
Also Corn syrup is used in sugary drinks in the US, but the rest of the world uses Cane or Beet Sugar, so there should still be mutants elsewhere. Yes very pedantic I know
I did really think it was excellent though.
I had my doubts as to how they'd arrive at the situation where there are no other mutants in the world and correctly predicted it would be some BS woo-woo hand waving.
The simple fact is they wanted to do a story with Logan and Xavier as they thought it would be a cool send off, best not to think too deeply about why\how they ended up that way as it's obvious the writers didn't either.
The simple fact is they wanted to do a story with Logan and Xavier as they thought it would be a cool send off, best not to think too deeply about why\how they ended up that way as it's obvious the writers didn't either.
Got some answers from the tech designer of Logan
Me: The hand design is bril and needs nothing more to add, but I had an immediate question about arm prosthetics while watching the film - why are they designed to look like muscles? From engineering POW such cover would be pointless and only adds complexities, and why does it need to be covered and symmetic? Don't you think a bare functional mechanism would look creepier still and even more menacing? Just asking, mind - curious to know.
Edon Guraziu: Good question Eric. In the film they only made Donald's arm advanced and replaced it with CGI, while in the script the entire Reavers team supposed to have bionic replacements. I designed arms, beefed up for the big dudes, and more elegant for the slimmer guys. I did legs etc. So it all came down to budget. And they even ended up using practical FX with the sleeve type soft robotics. Which is a shame in my opinion. Like why can't the actors make a million less and spend it on the CG. So thats that for the robotics. Cheers!
Me: Thanks for answering, Edon. I have one more question, unrelated to design work, but you might know the answer - why are there so many prosthetics among Reavers? I mean, did they give you a bit of trivia, like "Formerly they all were loosers in wood cutting industry", or such?
Edon Guraziu: Eric, I wrote that The Reavers were former military so they lost limbs in combat. That was the backstory I got provided with the design brief.
Me: The hand design is bril and needs nothing more to add, but I had an immediate question about arm prosthetics while watching the film - why are they designed to look like muscles? From engineering POW such cover would be pointless and only adds complexities, and why does it need to be covered and symmetic? Don't you think a bare functional mechanism would look creepier still and even more menacing? Just asking, mind - curious to know.
Edon Guraziu: Good question Eric. In the film they only made Donald's arm advanced and replaced it with CGI, while in the script the entire Reavers team supposed to have bionic replacements. I designed arms, beefed up for the big dudes, and more elegant for the slimmer guys. I did legs etc. So it all came down to budget. And they even ended up using practical FX with the sleeve type soft robotics. Which is a shame in my opinion. Like why can't the actors make a million less and spend it on the CG. So thats that for the robotics. Cheers!
Me: Thanks for answering, Edon. I have one more question, unrelated to design work, but you might know the answer - why are there so many prosthetics among Reavers? I mean, did they give you a bit of trivia, like "Formerly they all were loosers in wood cutting industry", or such?
Edon Guraziu: Eric, I wrote that The Reavers were former military so they lost limbs in combat. That was the backstory I got provided with the design brief.
robemcdonald said:
I saw this at the weekend and went in thinking I would hate it, however I found it to be quite excellent. I do have one fundamental question though.
Prior to the question a disclaimer. I know its a comic book movie and things don't always make sense and that with the xmen films continuity is efffectivley out of the window.
regarding the Adamantium Bullet. Where did it come from? If it is referring back to the Wolverine origins movie then fine.... Except wasn't that timeline wiped out by days of future past? If not then fine.... Except didn't Wolverine get shot in the head by an Adamantium bullet in that movie and he only lost his memory, so maybe X24 is like X23 and doesn't have Adamantium bonded to his entire skeleton, which is fine.... Except if he doesn't have an Adamantium skull then why does it take an Adamantium bullet to blow his brains out?
I think because wolverine's skeleton is mostly adamantium while x24 is laced as does not have healing factor but again does not explain previous shooting in head in origins unless tech has advanced producing better bulletsPrior to the question a disclaimer. I know its a comic book movie and things don't always make sense and that with the xmen films continuity is efffectivley out of the window.
regarding the Adamantium Bullet. Where did it come from? If it is referring back to the Wolverine origins movie then fine.... Except wasn't that timeline wiped out by days of future past? If not then fine.... Except didn't Wolverine get shot in the head by an Adamantium bullet in that movie and he only lost his memory, so maybe X24 is like X23 and doesn't have Adamantium bonded to his entire skeleton, which is fine.... Except if he doesn't have an Adamantium skull then why does it take an Adamantium bullet to blow his brains out?
p1doc said:
I think because wolverine's skeleton is mostly adamantium while x24 is laced as does not have healing factor but again does not explain previous shooting in head in origins unless tech has advanced producing better bullets
I thought the one that shot x24 was an explosive round, but the one that shot Logan was a solid slug? Also I didn't get a good look at x24's brain after he was shot, but I thought it had wiring? Had transgen fitted an enhanced version of the mind control tech they had fitted to Logan in Apocalypse? https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/sites/default/files...tankplanker said:
thought the one that shot x24 was an explosive round, but the one that shot Logan was a solid slug? Also I didn't get a good look at x24's brain after he was shot, but I thought it had wiring? Had transgen fitted an enhanced version of the mind control tech they had fitted to Logan in Apocalypse? https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/sites/default/files...
That look is inspired by the weapon x comic series.
As for the wolverines skeleton is pure adamantium and x24s only having a light sprinkling. There is literally nothing in the film explaining that. Same goes for the exploding bullet theory.
No spoiler tags as others haven't bothered.
I quite liked it, thought it could have done with some more fighting though or some proper graphic blood scenes but i guess a 15 rating is the best of both worlds financially.
I liked how it tied in the original x-men movies and other references, so to me, in theory, the original x-men events could happen after Days of Future Past.
As for mutants dying, i got the impression that the tracker mutant helped that company find mutants (bit like Sabretooth in W1) and Charles had a fit and destroyed the school. They also referenced that hardly anymore mutants appeared after 2004 (X1 and Magneto's plan).
I dont get why the kids didnt just use their powers at the start of the chase but then i guess it would have the ending
I liked how it tied in the original x-men movies and other references, so to me, in theory, the original x-men events could happen after Days of Future Past.
As for mutants dying, i got the impression that the tracker mutant helped that company find mutants (bit like Sabretooth in W1) and Charles had a fit and destroyed the school. They also referenced that hardly anymore mutants appeared after 2004 (X1 and Magneto's plan).
I dont get why the kids didnt just use their powers at the start of the chase but then i guess it would have the ending
Because they're kids and didn't seem to be really up for a fight, with the exception of Laura Wolverine who loves to slice and dice.
The anti-mutant chems were in more than just corn syrup.
A few things that I ponder on...the bullet, yeah, it rips apart the skull of the Logan clone, but with healing ability, if he's no incinerated and head lopped off...he'll regenerate?
I got the impression through the film that Logan might be poisoning himself so he can die, but at the end I guess not, he just had mystery disease from old age...or from drinking too much cola.
Overall loved the film and tone, but there were exposition heavy points and parts were a tad sloppy...but very good.
The anti-mutant chems were in more than just corn syrup.
A few things that I ponder on...the bullet, yeah, it rips apart the skull of the Logan clone, but with healing ability, if he's no incinerated and head lopped off...he'll regenerate?
I got the impression through the film that Logan might be poisoning himself so he can die, but at the end I guess not, he just had mystery disease from old age...or from drinking too much cola.
Overall loved the film and tone, but there were exposition heavy points and parts were a tad sloppy...but very good.
no he can't regenerate unless he uses the green serum. He's a clone of Logan made in a lab but he's not quite got all his abilities.
Logan is being poisoned by the adamantium and has been since day one. on top of the chemicals that were put in the food to stop mutants hips powers cannot fight the adamantium poisoning like they used to.
Logan is being poisoned by the adamantium and has been since day one. on top of the chemicals that were put in the food to stop mutants hips powers cannot fight the adamantium poisoning like they used to.
Is that's true why does Laura heal?
Why doesn't the adamantium poison both of them instantly?
Why is Laura a child when X24 is all grown up?
In the source material x23 was put under physical duress (torture) to get her healing factor to start to work.
It's a great film, but the more you think about it the more plot holes there are.
Edited by robemcdonald on Tuesday 21st March 06:52
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