Westworld (WITH SPOILERS!!)
Discussion
Arnold = Victor Frankenstein and Ford the monster or did you mean the other way around?
The new trailer shows a dead girl on the gurney with Stubbs and that woman who slept with Hector from this episode. Puts a spanner into the theory he's going to turn her into a host unless it's Elsie on there or those two with him are also hosts.
The new trailer shows a dead girl on the gurney with Stubbs and that woman who slept with Hector from this episode. Puts a spanner into the theory he's going to turn her into a host unless it's Elsie on there or those two with him are also hosts.
Oakey said:
Arnold = Victor Frankenstein and Ford the monster or did you mean the other way around?
The new trailer shows a dead girl on the gurney with Stubbs and that woman who slept with Hector from this episode. Puts a spanner into the theory he's going to turn her into a host unless it's Elsie on there or those two with him are also hosts.
Ford = Robert WaltonThe new trailer shows a dead girl on the gurney with Stubbs and that woman who slept with Hector from this episode. Puts a spanner into the theory he's going to turn her into a host unless it's Elsie on there or those two with him are also hosts.
Arnold = Victor Frankenstein
Westworld = The Monster
Robster said:
So we saw Barnard having a video call with his wife a few episodes back, how are they going to explain that? Hmmmm
Or Bernard is a host version of Arnold, and it was Arnold that had the video chat, and lost his son. We're possibly seeing the sequence out of order, much like the Bernard and Dolores scenes from earlier in the season.Loved episode 7.
The research project Charlotte (the sexy Board rep) mentioned... must be AI. They're researching it, and the park is how it is being developed and tested.
And I reckon the AI at the centre is Ford. Teddy said: "The Maze is an old Native myth. The Maze itself is the sum of a man’s life. The choices he makes, the dreams he hangs onto. And there at the centre there’s a legendary man who had been killed over and over again countless times. But always clawed his way back to life. The man returned for a last time to vanquish all his oppressors in a tireless fury. Built a house and around that house he built a maze so complicated only he could navigate through it. I reckon he’s seen enough fighting."
Arnold built the park and Ford. Ford killed him and covered it up somehow but NOT the same way he will cover up Theresa's death because that would leave Arnold alive in the consciousness of everyone.
And in the same manner as Theresa, Ford said he'd been tested numerous times in the past by the board who had sent someone... so I wonder if he sent them all back as hosts. Perhaps this is how the story leaves the park? The search for all the fakes?
Ford *has* to be a host - there's no other way he could have whole populations just *stop* at his very thought. He never carries a tablet and is able to communicate his intentions to hosts with few enough words to convey any real meaning.
Irrelevant aside: The lamps on the sides of the tech's helmets are Magicshine bike lights.
And I reckon the AI at the centre is Ford. Teddy said: "The Maze is an old Native myth. The Maze itself is the sum of a man’s life. The choices he makes, the dreams he hangs onto. And there at the centre there’s a legendary man who had been killed over and over again countless times. But always clawed his way back to life. The man returned for a last time to vanquish all his oppressors in a tireless fury. Built a house and around that house he built a maze so complicated only he could navigate through it. I reckon he’s seen enough fighting."
Arnold built the park and Ford. Ford killed him and covered it up somehow but NOT the same way he will cover up Theresa's death because that would leave Arnold alive in the consciousness of everyone.
And in the same manner as Theresa, Ford said he'd been tested numerous times in the past by the board who had sent someone... so I wonder if he sent them all back as hosts. Perhaps this is how the story leaves the park? The search for all the fakes?
Ford *has* to be a host - there's no other way he could have whole populations just *stop* at his very thought. He never carries a tablet and is able to communicate his intentions to hosts with few enough words to convey any real meaning.
Irrelevant aside: The lamps on the sides of the tech's helmets are Magicshine bike lights.
So it's never going to be as straight forward as us and them or humans v. hosts.
There's going to be several layers of hosts from the original models to the newer tech. And within that the hosts who are more aware to the hosts who aren't corrupted yet.
Has any character been confirmed as 100% human yet? What about Sizemore the sweary narrative guy? He got drunk and pee'd all over the map, would they program that into the hosts?
There's going to be several layers of hosts from the original models to the newer tech. And within that the hosts who are more aware to the hosts who aren't corrupted yet.
Has any character been confirmed as 100% human yet? What about Sizemore the sweary narrative guy? He got drunk and pee'd all over the map, would they program that into the hosts?
popeyewhite said:
Anyway - the black guy with the beard - does anyone know how long he has worked at W for?
Several (Elsie most recently by my recollection) have commented how he's been a part of Westworld "since forever". I also seem to recall that Bernard's knowledge of events begins just after the last major incident in the park...Raises a bigger question of whether Bernard ages or not. I'd be surprised if he didn't - it's been shown that the hosts are now pretty organic and can even contract disease (Maeve).
Cybertronian said:
popeyewhite said:
Anyway - the black guy with the beard - does anyone know how long he has worked at W for?
Several (Elsie most recently by my recollection) have commented how he's been a part of Westworld "since forever". I also seem to recall that Bernard's knowledge of events begins just after the last major incident in the park...Raises a bigger question of whether Bernard ages or not. I'd be surprised if he didn't - it's been shown that the hosts are now pretty organic and can even contract disease (Maeve).
I've been reading a lot about the dual timeline theory and whether William is MiB. It's all rather interesting and a lot of the time the explanations can be undone by referencing subsequent events but there are even cleverer people who postulate these apparent inconsistencies might not be.
It's all left me rather uncertain. I thought it was all very very much in one timeline but the influence of Nolan (known for time shifting stuff) leaves me in doubt.
The symbolism of whether William was going to select a white hat or black one was interesting too.
It's all left me rather uncertain. I thought it was all very very much in one timeline but the influence of Nolan (known for time shifting stuff) leaves me in doubt.
The symbolism of whether William was going to select a white hat or black one was interesting too.
One thing this episode taught us is that we can't trust the 'visual' narration. We didn't see the doorway until Theresa mentioned it - and then boom it was in shot.
Apply that logic to the rest of the episodes so far and we really can't trust anything on screen as we're clearly seeing it from a specific viewpoint to suit. So the timeline theory could be back in play.
It's an interesting twist on the untrustworthy narrator idea.
Really enjoying it - Hopkins....outstanding.
Apply that logic to the rest of the episodes so far and we really can't trust anything on screen as we're clearly seeing it from a specific viewpoint to suit. So the timeline theory could be back in play.
It's an interesting twist on the untrustworthy narrator idea.
Really enjoying it - Hopkins....outstanding.
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