The Grand Tour

[johnxjsc1985]

Dermot O'Logical said:

Or people posting to say how much they didn't like the first series, and that they don't like the second series even more. Yet they've paid Amazon to be able to watch something they don't like, and will continue to watch it so that they can tell everybody how much they still don't like it.

just wait until the show starts they will be foaming at the mouth to tell you why you shouldn't like it.

[hairyben]

Dermot O'Logical said:

Or people posting to say how much they didn't like the first series, and that they don't like the second series even more. Yet they've paid Amazon to be able to watch something they don't like, and will continue to watch it so that they can tell everybody how much they still don't like it.

But you can understand their frustration - at least with the beeb the boys were free, but then they had to pay actual money to amazon to see the show they needed to inform everyone they hated, now theres another series so they'll have to pay again so everyone can be up to date how rubbish it is! I'm suprised they can type at all they must be so enraged at this blatant waste of their time and money, how does amazon get away with this kind of st?

[princealbert23]

bodhi said:

hairyben said:

silent ninja said:

p1stonhead said:

Surely no one is actually looking forward to a second season?

My interest level fell through the floor by episode 3. I'm not even slightly curious what this has to offer. The trio are over the hill, irrelevant without the BBC coverage, and clinging on to past glories!

Thanks for this - its good to see that a year after the show aired theres still internet people dedicated to continually reminding people they didnt like it. I know its a hard going commitment but if you hang in there, soon there'll be a new series for you to inform everyone of your dissatisfaction with!

Must admit I'm not sure what I'm looking forwards to the most - 12-13 more episodes of a very enjoyable cars/cocking about show, or 12 - 13 weeks of the same people at pains to point out how much they didn't like the first one and didn't watch any more after that.

Exactly. They are same people who used to post complaining about TG. It gives them a purpose in life I guess.

[djdest]

They are the modern day Mary Whitehouse.
Heaven forbid, turning the channel over if you don’t like it, no! Must carry on watching even though I hate it idiots.....

[hairyben]

djdest said:

They are the modern day Mary Whitehouse.
Heaven forbid, turning the channel over if you don’t like it, no! Must carry on watching even though I hate it idiots.....

They're mentally ill arent they.

I mean, I know chris evans is an utter hack, completely devoid of talent, an insipid gimp playing his one and only gimmick, I watched most of 1 episode of the tripe he made just because well, give it a chance and if you're going to slag him off you should at least try it. I summarised his colossal failings on the relevent TG thread and then... got on with my life. I watched no more of the dirge be makes, I felt no inclination to follow the threads that report on it. I do stuff and comment on stuff I enjoy or intrigies me.

What drives these masochists to keep reporting on something they hate years after they've established it doesn't meet their definition of enjoyable? I mean seriously W.T.F.?

[carl_w]

My favourite people are the ones who join the thread to say they haven't watched it and won't be watching it.

[jbudgie]

Don't come on here bigging evans up , he's a wker.

[hairykrishna]

Bit of an oversimplification, no? Most people who 'don't like it' liked it at some point and still like the occasional segment. I'd guess, like me, they continue to watch in hope that they'll do more of whatever they liked in the first place. Then come on here to whinge when they don't

[durbster]

ClockworkCupcake said:

Quite.

Never ceases to amaze / amuse when people talk about watching TGT as costing £79, as if it is some kind of pay-to-view show. It's just a show that is bundled with an Amazon Prime membership. It's like buying a car and then saying it was a waste of money because you didn't like one of the tunes on the radio.

TGT was the main reason I signed up although if you don't have another service there are enough films and TV to make it worthwhile.

I'm amused by how often people justify the cost by talking about the delivery. Yes it's good but how badly organised are you that you need to have everything delivered the next day? The last things I bought off Amazon were some suspension files and a plug adaptor. I'm sure I'd have coped if I'd had to wait an extra two days

p1stonhead said:

It was just so wasted. It could have been an actual 'grand tour' of each location with the tent as the studio segments.

Instead they just made the tent utterly pointless.

Bizarre.

Yeah I was hoping for that too. When they announced the title I thought they'd found the perfect departure from TG, based around a series of road trips around the world in interesting cars.

One thing about Wilman and Clarkson is they always listened and adapted to criticism (that being valid criticism rather than people moaning for the sake of it), and I'm confident they'll have thought carefully about the next series. Unless they're just so obscenely wealthy that they just don't care any more. That could also happen

To be honest I'd be happier if they just told Hammond to stop shouting.

[carl_w]

durbster said:

I'm amused by how often people justify the cost by talking about the delivery. Yes it's good but how badly organised are you that you need to have everything delivered the next day? The last things I bought off Amazon were some suspension files and a plug adaptor. I'm sure I'd have coped if I'd had to wait an extra two days

Do you send all your post 2nd class and get your Internet over dial-up?

[silent ninja]

I used Prime for 1 year. Totalled up my delivery costs which amounted to about £40 odd. The video service is useless -- I'm not buying yet another streaming device to connect o Amazon. So I canned Prime service as poor value for money. LIke the above poster said, 95% of stuff I didn't need next day at all either.

I also found a lot of stuff is cheaper elsewhere - Book Depository, Argos, PCWorld, John Lewis even Staples on occasion. Amazon purport to be the one stop shop, but are killing consumer choice.

[johnxjsc1985]

who just buys at one retailer anyway. Some of Amazons stuff is great and cheap some not but I like the idea of making a purchase on a Saturday afternoon and getting it Sunday morning. Amazon TV is a bit of a turgid to get through and not a patch on Netflix.

[ClockworkCupcake]

durbster said:

I'm amused by how often people justify the cost by talking about the delivery. Yes it's good but how badly organised are you that you need to have everything delivered the next day? The last things I bought off Amazon were some suspension files and a plug adaptor. I'm sure I'd have coped if I'd had to wait an extra two days

That's quite interesting how Amazon has evolved, and is perceived, actually. When I first became an Amazon Prime member the *only* benefit was the free delivery and free returns (the latter is more important to me than the former, as it lets me buy with the confidence of knowing I can send it back again without being out of pocket). Then they added video, then music, then kindle, and all the other stuff. So I have always considered those bonus benefits to the core benefit of the delivery. I guess that's a product of my long membership though.

So it is quite interesting to read that people now consider Prime first and foremost to be a media purchase, with the delivery as a bonus.

I guess that you get so much for a Prime membership now that what you consider the primary benefit will differ from person to person.

durbster said:

Yeah I was hoping for that too. When they announced the title I thought they'd found the perfect departure from TG, based around a series of road trips around the world in interesting cars.

Yes, I thought the same, and it sounded like an awesome idea. Oh well. Wasted opportunity I guess.

[johnxjsc1985]

ClockworkCupcake said:

That's quite interesting how Amazon has evolved, and is perceived, actually. When I first became an Amazon Prime member the *only* benefit was the free delivery and free returns (the latter is more important to me than the former, as it lets me buy with the confidence of knowing I can send it back again without being out of pocket). Then they added video, then music, then kindle, and all the other stuff. So I have always considered those bonus benefits to the core benefit of the delivery. I guess that's a product of my long membership though.

So it is quite interesting to read that people now consider Prime first and foremost to be a media purchase, with the delivery as a bonus.

I guess that you get so much for a Prime membership now that what you consider the primary benefit will differ from person to person.

Forgot about the music I listen to more music now than I have for years. I had Ziggy Stardust on last night put the timer on for 40 mins and listen and drift off.

[ClockworkCupcake]

Sadly I think that "The Grand Tour" was simply a way to get the initials "TGT", which probably stands for "Top Gear Three".

[Bristol spark]

durbster said:

One thing about Wilman and Clarkson is they always listened and adapted to criticism (that being valid criticism rather than people moaning for the sake of it), and I'm confident they'll have thought carefully about the next series. Unless they're just so obscenely wealthy that they just don't care any more. That could also happen

To be honest I'd be happier if they just told Hammond to stop shouting.

Clarkson mentioned in an interview the other day that certain aspects they got wrong, and are changed in this series.
I would say moving the tent was one.

[johnxjsc1985]

Bristol spark said:

Clarkson mentioned in an interview the other day that certain aspects they got wrong, and are changed in this series.
I would say moving the tent was one.

I wonder how much they were constrained by the BBC in what they could use from the old TG.
The American was bloody awful but maybe it appealed to the US audience. I expect to see something different this time.

[Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah]

p1stonhead said:

ClockworkCupcake said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

I use Amazon for lots of purchases as the delivery service is incredibly good with many items delivered next day even on a Sunday.
The TV programmes do need wading through to find good stuff but TGT is just a bonus.

Quite.

Never ceases to amaze / amuse when people talk about watching TGT as costing £79, as if it is some kind of pay-to-view show. It's just a show that is bundled with an Amazon Prime membership. It's like buying a car and then saying it was a waste of money because you didn't like one of the tunes on the radio.

+1 amazon prime for deliveries is incredible.

I once ordered something at 7pm on a Friday night and it came through the letter box 9am on Saturday. Its actually mental how quickly they can get things to you.

Prime saves me so much money a year on delivery charges.

Quite. Sarah does EVERYthing including buying things last minute. The amount of Amazon boxes I've seen arrive from postie it shall have paid for itself by this alone.

[Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah]

Bristol spark said:

durbster said:

One thing about Wilman and Clarkson is they always listened and adapted to criticism (that being valid criticism rather than people moaning for the sake of it), and I'm confident they'll have thought carefully about the next series. Unless they're just so obscenely wealthy that they just don't care any more. That could also happen

To be honest I'd be happier if they just told Hammond to stop shouting.

Clarkson mentioned in an interview the other day that certain aspects they got wrong, and are changed in this series.
I would say moving the tent was one.

This is the best we can hope for IMO, as long as they've correctly identified these aspects. Most shows take a bit of time to bed in. Watch a few year one episodes of TG from however many (15?) years ago if you need a case in point. My view on the first TGT, there were a few stinker episodes, but largely pretty enjoyable. It's not like TG under C/H/M didn't have some dire episodes!

[Lucas Ayde]

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:

Bristol spark said:

Clarkson mentioned in an interview the other day that certain aspects they got wrong, and are changed in this series.
I would say moving the tent was one.

This is the best we can hope for IMO, as long as they've correctly identified these aspects. Most shows take a bit of time to bed in. Watch a few year one episodes of TG from however many (15?) years ago if you need a case in point. My view on the first TGT, there were a few stinker episodes, but largely pretty enjoyable. It's not like TG under C/H/M didn't have some dire episodes!

TGT shouldn't really have required any time to bed in as it was pretty much a continuation of the 'Last of the summer wine' format between the three guys that they'd been developing over the years on TG.

The problem was that it had gone stale on TG and for the most part continued to be stale on TGT. However, just like on TG there were still some moments where it worked and there were a few decent eps of TGT as well as a bunch of so-so ones.

They definitely messed up by moving the tent around the World but not actually making use of the exotic locations to any degree, with the possible exception of the Dubai episode where they did some stuff 'locally'.