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anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 28th September 2017
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i'm going to watch it so i have something to moan about.

Otispunkmeyer

12,593 posts

155 months

Thursday 28th September 2017
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I'll be looking forward to this closer to the time. It'll be interesting to see what they have/haven't learnt from the first go at it and what they have changed. Certainly keeping it in the UK is perhaps a smart move, I think the British audience just has more of a symbiotic relationship with the presenters; particularly with senses of humor.

I hope to god they drop the celebrity death thing.

I hope too that the script writing and delivery is more natural. I am patently aware that, as it is now and as it has been for a long time, TG/TGT just cannot be un-scripted. Perhaps in the past the show was made on some of the more "un-scripted" comedic events but you just cannot rely on the stars aligning to deliver you a "funny" for every film.

As for Amazon prime, well I have used it less and less recently.... though we do use the video service more now. I enjoyed Man in the High Castle (which is a bit slow burn, but that is Philip K Dick for you) and I really enjoyed Parks and Recreation. My OH watches all kinds of crap on it and its coming up to Christmas so no doubt the prime delivery will be getting its annual workout. On the whole, still don't mind paying for it but I suspect that may change in the next year.

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

12,956 posts

100 months

Thursday 28th September 2017
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Lucas Ayde said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Bristol spark said:
Clarkson mentioned in an interview the other day that certain aspects they got wrong, and are changed in this series.
I would say moving the tent was one.
This is the best we can hope for IMO, as long as they've correctly identified these aspects. Most shows take a bit of time to bed in. Watch a few year one episodes of TG from however many (15?) years ago if you need a case in point. My view on the first TGT, there were a few stinker episodes, but largely pretty enjoyable. It's not like TG under C/H/M didn't have some dire episodes!
TGT shouldn't really have required any time to bed in as it was pretty much a continuation of the 'Last of the summer wine' format between the three guys that they'd been developing over the years on TG.

The problem was that it had gone stale on TG and for the most part continued to be stale on TGT. However, just like on TG there were still some moments where it worked and there were a few decent eps of TGT as well as a bunch of so-so ones.

They definitely messed up by moving the tent around the World but not actually making use of the exotic locations to any degree, with the possible exception of the Dubai episode where they did some stuff 'locally'.
Agreed on your last point, but RE bedding in/continuation, the thing is that BBC lawyers were evidently all over it, and anything too same would end up causing them bother. Key segments (star in a reasonably priced car, guests, studio based, the 'news') all needed re-thinking. James May wasn't even allowed to say 'oh cock' (which was a pathetic clause)

rodericb

6,742 posts

126 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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Bristol spark said:
Clarkson mentioned in an interview the other day that certain aspects they got wrong, and are changed in this series.
I would say moving the tent was one.
I thought the tent wasn't too bad. It's a nod to the fact hat the show is worldwide and they're giving people around the world the impression that they now have an opportunity to be part of it.

KarlMac

4,480 posts

141 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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rodericb said:
Bristol spark said:
Clarkson mentioned in an interview the other day that certain aspects they got wrong, and are changed in this series.
I would say moving the tent was one.
I thought the tent wasn't too bad. It's a nod to the fact hat the show is worldwide and they're giving people around the world the impression that they now have an opportunity to be part of it.
I wonder how much of it was an apology for TG Live getting canned.

EmilA

1,521 posts

157 months

Friday 29th September 2017
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We have Prime for half price as my wife is finishing off her Master's through work so is a valid student. I wouldn't mind paying the full price if we needed too, since we buy a lot of things off Prime now.

I have heard that you can enrol on an online course for as little as £5 which then results in you getting an NUS card that can then be used for half price Prime alongside the other benefits an NUS card gives.

I have watched the first episode with the Hypercars a few times over, the rest of them I watched as and when I felt like it, though a lot of it was fast forwarded over too. Just not engaging enough to me and I preferred the new Top Gear in comparison.

swisstoni

16,997 posts

279 months

Saturday 30th September 2017
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KarlMac said:
rodericb said:
Bristol spark said:
Clarkson mentioned in an interview the other day that certain aspects they got wrong, and are changed in this series.
I would say moving the tent was one.
I thought the tent wasn't too bad. It's a nod to the fact hat the show is worldwide and they're giving people around the world the impression that they now have an opportunity to be part of it.
I wonder how much of it was an apology for TG Live getting canned.
I think a lot of the stranger elements of the first series were a reaction to the legal limitations that were put on them by the Beeb. The new program could not contain or resemble the old one's most recognisable features. So the Stig became some strange Redneck.
The hangar studio became a tent that moved about.
Celeb appearances never took place because they died.
Even GT it TG backwards.
It may have been fun to sidestep the restrictions in this way but it made for a program that didn't make a lot of sense sometimes.
I hope they have now got this out of their system and have something new that hangs together better this time around.

AnotherClarkey

3,596 posts

189 months

Saturday 30th September 2017
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swisstoni said:
I think a lot of the stranger elements of the first series were a reaction to the legal limitations that were put on them by the Beeb. The new program could not contain or resemble the old one's most recognisable features. So the Stig became some strange Redneck.
The hangar studio became a tent that moved about.
Celeb appearances never took place because they died.
Even GT it TG backwards.
It may have been fun to sidestep the restrictions in this way but it made for a program that didn't make a lot of sense sometimes.
I hope they have now got this out of their system and have something new that hangs together better this time around.
Yes, fewer private jokes please and more concentration on making a decent TV programme.

ClockworkCupcake

74,549 posts

272 months

Saturday 30th September 2017
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AnotherClarkey said:
swisstoni said:
I think a lot of the stranger elements of the first series were a reaction to the legal limitations that were put on them by the Beeb. The new program could not contain or resemble the old one's most recognisable features. So the Stig became some strange Redneck.
The hangar studio became a tent that moved about.
Celeb appearances never took place because they died.
Even GT it TG backwards.
It may have been fun to sidestep the restrictions in this way but it made for a program that didn't make a lot of sense sometimes.
I hope they have now got this out of their system and have something new that hangs together better this time around.
Yes, fewer private jokes please and more concentration on making a decent TV programme.
Indeed. yes

It felt like the majority of the 1st series was sticking two fingers up at the BBC. And also an element of kids running amok with the keys to the sweetshop.

Rich_W

12,548 posts

212 months

Sunday 1st October 2017
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Otispunkmeyer said:
...but you just cannot rely on the stars aligning to deliver you a "funny" for every film...
Dunno. I have some funny friends and they consistently make me laugh. They aren't pro's and often the joke is at the expense of each other. But it works. So if you get 3 guys who are clearly friends off screen. Then it should follow that there will be "banter" (much as I hate the word)


The scriptwriters on TGT and the last series' of CHM TG over thought it and made it too tight. They managed to make 3 guys who are friends, look like they'd never met each other before! laugh



I didn't like most of it, but it had some good bits. Trinity springs to mind. As does the SUV test. Worryingly that's the only 2 segments I can remember enjoying from the series a year on. Whereas I can remember several of the better TG episodes. And even some of the better Harris/LeBlanc segments.

Yipper

5,964 posts

90 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2017
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There's definitely less interest in The Grand Tour for series 2.

A Grand Tour article on the Daily Wail typically used to attract hundreds of comments in 2016. Now, in 2017, they mostly get dozens.

If they don't retire, CHMW are probably going to see a big cut in their budget for the contract-renewal discussions in a year or two.

sandman77

2,411 posts

138 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
James May wasn't even allowed to say 'oh cock' (which was a pathetic clause)
That is a myth. JM mentioned it in an interview a while back and I think he then did say "oh cock" in one of the later episodes of TGT.

Disastrous

10,083 posts

217 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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I only managed two or three episodes of the first series. After the war game thing where they kept ‘dying’ and repeating the section...my god. I switched that episode off before the end and haven’t bothered with any of the others. Absolute rubbish.

RDMcG

19,142 posts

207 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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I was disappointed and often fast forwarded. All those attempts to be outrageous with silly stunts. The unwatchable celebrity stunts. Being in an exotic locale and ignoring it. In a lot afvways a simple old Chris Harris video does a much better job of conveying good info on what a car feels like.

The novelty stuff wore off quickly.

ClockworkCupcake

74,549 posts

272 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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RDMcG said:
The novelty stuff wore off quickly.
Surely that's the very definition of novelty? silly

schmunk

4,399 posts

125 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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ClockworkCupcake said:
RDMcG said:
The novelty stuff wore off quickly.
Surely that's the very definition of novelty? silly
Yes, so they need to keep innov(el)ating...

amgmcqueen

3,346 posts

150 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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People forget just how bad the last 2-3years of the old Top Gear was. Most of the best episodes shown on Dave are around 8-10+ years old.

The 1st series was crap because they carried on with the same old clapped out formula.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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Some people thought the last series of TG was crap and some people enjoyed it and some people thought some of it was good and some of it was bad.
The new series of TGT will have some good stuff in it and some bad stuff you don't have to be so polarised in your views.
The new series hasn't even started and the knives are out and I guess that says it all.

E65Ross

35,078 posts

212 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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amgmcqueen said:
People forget just how bad the last 2-3years of the old Top Gear was. Most of the best episodes shown on Dave are around 8-10+ years old.

The 1st series was crap because they carried on with the same old clapped out formula.
Not entirely. The very final CHM episode with the SUVs was absolutely fantastic. Some of the reviews were also good (LaFerrari, 918, even others like the Merc AMG GT or the M3 vs i8). The GT cars (M6, Bentley vs GT-R) in Aussie was pretty good and the Patagonia special was also very good, if a bit hair-raising!

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

225 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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I personally thought what I saw of the first series of TGT was utterly diabolical...but I will still 'watch' the first episode of series 2 (which will count in raw numbers as a plus point on their viewing stats). I will watch it because..well..it's 'free' and I may was well see if there is any improvement at all.

Free in this instance = bundled in with Amazon Prime which more than pays for itself in content I actually like, P&P benefits and music streaming. Basically, I get it whether I want it or not so all it costs me is time.
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