The Grand Tour

[swisstoni]

TheGuru said:

HardtopManual said:

I'll still watch, just without the young 'uns, which is a bit sad really.

There is nothing in the show that would prevent me from watching with my 7 and 13 year olds, you'd really have to be a puritanical nutjob to be concerned about it.

What are 'big hairy balls daddy?' If you are ok with your 7 y/o picking that stuff up then perhaps you need to think about it.

Personally I don't like it when they get very coarse (not because I'm Jane Austen) but because I think it cheapens things a bit. I'm fine with the hidden gags that would go over the heads of kids.
Although it must be fun to shed all their BBC inhibitions, I think it's classier to keep a bit of a lid on it.

[otolith]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

AnotherClarkey said:

Why did Clarkson keep going on about heeling and toeing? It was double declutching he needed to drive that car properly - no wonder he had issues.

I suspect because "heel & toe" is something cool that race drivers do, whilst "double declutching" is always associated with pipes, slippers, and MGBs.

I guess because he wanted to downshift under braking, and if you want to do that in a car that requires double declutching you're also going to have to heel and toe?

[RBH58]

Double declutching is required to stop the gearbox internals spinning without syncros, but heel toe is also required.

[Shakermaker]

TTmonkey said:

Think he has a point actually. I would suggest that a large proportion of the global audience for TGT would walk past either Copeland or Mason on the street an have no idea who they were. Believe it or not, only people from 'our' generation really remember The Police, and whilst Pink Floyd are substantially bigger, they appeal to music lovers of a certain demographic. Pink Floyd appealed to people that really liked music, rather than those that just liked a bit of 'pop'. Not everyone appreciates such bands.

I could walk past most members from many of my favourite bands and probably not recognise them without being specifically told. Even if I have seen them live, most of the time, music is something you listen to, rather than watch, and there are many musicians who eschew the limelight when it comes to doing the "publicity" side of things. I don't watch MTV2 any more (or MTV Rocks as it became) as much as I used to. So yes, I'd recognise a lot of the front men/women of bands I'm a fan of, but that's because they are generally the ones that everyone knows. I know Nick Mason from previous TV appearances, but whilst I had heard the name Stewart Copeland, I would have no idea that was what he looked like until he came on screen.

And there's nothing at all wrong with that.

[TheGuru]

swisstoni said:

What are 'big hairy balls daddy?' If you are ok with your 7 y/o picking that stuff up then perhaps you need to think about it.

Perfectly fine, rather I teach them the proper meaning and appropriate usage, they'd be getting it from school anyway. Most 7yo would have seen plenty of hairy balls belonging to their Dad's or others in changing rooms and asked the question already.

I really see nothing of concern in TGT

[AnotherClarkey]

RBH58 said:

Double declutching is required to stop the gearbox internals spinning without syncros, but heel toe is also required.

Only if you want to brake and change gear at the same time. It seems that Clarkson needs to master the basics before getting to that - he couldn't even change up without abusing the box.

[PhantomPH]

DrSteveBrule said:

Doofus said:

DrSteveBrule said:

Really?! Not one?

Bootsy Collins? Pino Paladino? Mark King? Mick Karn? Flea? Jaco Pastorius? John Deacon? Geezer Butler?

These are ones that popped into my head straight away and I don't know one side of a bass guitar from another.

Really? 'Popped into your head'?

Nope.

I don't want to derail the thread but seriously, if you have a passing interest in music you will have heard at least one track by any of the above.

In order: Parliament / 80s Paul Young & Gary Numan et al. if you hear fretless bass from that era, chances are it was him playing / Level 42 / Japan / Red Hot Chilli Peppers / Weather Report / Queen / Black Sabbath

Missing the most obvious one given the guests - Sting.

Robert Truijllo pops into my head as well, but only because I have been revisiting S&M recently...which ironically was not Robert Trujillo!

It's drummers I struggle with beyond the truly iconic (Roger Taylor, Nick Mason, Chad Smith, Lars Ulrich, Dave Grohl, Taylor Hawkins, Jay Weinberg - even Carlos Hercules), so I really would walk past Copeland in the street. For me, Nick Mason on his own would have been a good segment especially given his car chops vs his drum chops.

[JagLover]

Another great episode

This whole series has been average to very good, whereas the last one was poor to average.

Some spontaneous humor as well "dogger bank" in the fog

Makes it rather sad that I have the impression at least one of them is looking to retire soon. There will be nothing else on TV like it once its gone.

[checkmate91]

PhantomPH said:

Missing the most obvious one given the guests - Sting.

Robert Truijllo pops into my head as well, but only because I have been revisiting S&M recently...which ironically was not Robert Trujillo!

It's drummers I struggle with beyond the truly iconic (Roger Taylor, Nick Mason, Chad Smith, Lars Ulrich, Dave Grohl, Taylor Hawkins, Jay Weinberg - even Carlos Hercules), so I really would walk past Copeland in the street. For me, Nick Mason on his own would have been a good segment especially given his car chops vs his drum chops.

Other bassists that just popped into my head: Victor Wooton, Stanley Clarke, John McVie (Sting and Paul McCartney already mentioned, and Lemmy was pretty obvious too, Jaco my favourite of all, poor chap), Donald "Duck" Dunn, Ray Brown, Niels-Henning Orsted-Pederson, Charles Mingus. Drummers: Phil Taylor, Phil Collins, Bobby Durham, Ed Thigpen.

I guess it depends on one's level of interest beyond the music. Now, back to the studio...

[TurboHatchback]

I enjoyed this weeks episode. I'm completely uninterested in the new supercar reviews but the XKSS and DB4 lightweight were just delicious, if I was Bill Gates level minted I would buy both in a heartbeat. The banked circuit bit looked genuinely dangerous and I saw real fear and concentration in their eyes, the cars looked magnificent on the period circuit and some of the Pyrenees footage was beautiful. I still wish they'd lose the celebrity guff, I almost never have any interest in them at all.

I find it quite amusing all the keyboard warriors claiming Clarkson can't drive and they could do better. I know he often plays the fool but he's a damn good driver who has driven more or less every interesting car ever made from the latest Lamborghinis to 100yr old classics and utterly knackered crocks off-road across continents, if he says the gearbox is a pig then I believe it's a pig.

[HardtopManual]

TheGuru said:

There is nothing in the show that would prevent me from watching with my 7 and 13 year olds, you'd really have to be a puritanical nutjob to be concerned

Thanks for the feedback. They're not my kids, and I don't fancy returning them to their parents saying that everything is "st" and the eldest is now calling the youngest "Vagina".

It's not puritanical, it's simple respect.

[Cledus Snow]

I wonder what jaguar put under the fabric hood cover clearly visible behind the seats of the XKSS instead of a roof.🤔

[irocfan]

checkmate91 said:

PhantomPH said:

Missing the most obvious one given the guests - Sting.

Robert Truijllo pops into my head as well, but only because I have been revisiting S&M recently...which ironically was not Robert Trujillo!

It's drummers I struggle with beyond the truly iconic (Roger Taylor, Nick Mason, Chad Smith, Lars Ulrich, Dave Grohl, Taylor Hawkins, Jay Weinberg - even Carlos Hercules), so I really would walk past Copeland in the street. For me, Nick Mason on his own would have been a good segment especially given his car chops vs his drum chops.

Other bassists that just popped into my head: Victor Wooton, Stanley Clarke, John McVie (Sting and Paul McCartney already mentioned, and Lemmy was pretty obvious too, Jaco my favourite of all, poor chap), Donald "Duck" Dunn, Ray Brown, Niels-Henning Orsted-Pederson, Charles Mingus. Drummers: Phil Taylor, Phil Collins, Bobby Durham, Ed Thigpen.

I guess it depends on one's level of interest beyond the music. Now, back to the studio...

I'm not great with individual band members but if we're mentioning bass players surely Phil Lynott or Geddy Lee? Or if drummers..... Neil Peart

[Sad Ken]

carl_w said:

Stewart Copeland also had a post-Police career doing movie, TV and game soundtracks including The Equalizer and Spyro the Dragon.

And of course... Droids https://youtu.be/riIOiNq0RHk?list=PLx1UA5PiBi5rVuS...

And 'Wall Street'. I always wondered as a kid why I seemed to get confused about scenes from Wall Street and The Equaliser lol.

[swisstoni]

Sad Ken said:

carl_w said:

Stewart Copeland also had a post-Police career doing movie, TV and game soundtracks including The Equalizer and Spyro the Dragon.

And of course... Droids https://youtu.be/riIOiNq0RHk?list=PLx1UA5PiBi5rVuS...

And 'Wall Street'. I always wondered as a kid why I seemed to get confused about scenes from Wall Street and The Equaliser lol.

He was brilliant with The Police as well, but probably didn't get a lot of recognition as they were regarded as Pop.

[Rich_W]

Gary29 said:

Because Americans are deemed to be thick and don't 'get' subtle humour? Sorry 'Humor'.

Only they aren't!

There are some of the brightest minds in the world today in the USA. It's just that for some reason TV producers all think the population is hillbillies. And rude assholes from Wall Street or Hippies from the republic of California.

[PhantomPH]

Rich_W said:

Only they aren't!

There are some of the brightest minds in the world today in the USA. It's just that for some reason TV producers all think the population is hillbillies. And rude assholes from Wall Street or Hippies from the republic of California.

They d-not think that they all are - just that the easiest way to get big viewer numbers is to target that (rather large) demographic.

[Sparky137]

Rich_W said:

Only they aren't!

There are some of the brightest minds in the world today in the USA. It's just that for some reason TV producers all think the population is hillbillies. And rude assholes from Wall Street or Hippies from the republic of California.

I work with a lot of 'bright minds'. Unfortunately that does not mean they have any common sense, practical skills or comprehension of many situations. Intelligence and being clever or understanding do not necessarily go hand in hand.

[RemyMartin81D]

checkmate91 said:

PhantomPH said:

Missing the most obvious one given the guests - Sting.

Robert Truijllo pops into my head as well, but only because I have been revisiting S&M recently...which ironically was not Robert Trujillo!

It's drummers I struggle with beyond the truly iconic (Roger Taylor, Nick Mason, Chad Smith, Lars Ulrich, Dave Grohl, Taylor Hawkins, Jay Weinberg - even Carlos Hercules), so I really would walk past Copeland in the street. For me, Nick Mason on his own would have been a good segment especially given his car chops vs his drum chops.

Other bassists that just popped into my head: Victor Wooton, Stanley Clarke, John McVie (Sting and Paul McCartney already mentioned, and Lemmy was pretty obvious too, Jaco my favourite of all, poor chap), Donald "Duck" Dunn, Ray Brown, Niels-Henning Orsted-Pederson, Charles Mingus. Drummers: Phil Taylor, Phil Collins, Bobby Durham, Ed Thigpen.

I guess it depends on one's level of interest beyond the music. Now, back to the studio...

Surely with Pink Floyd being discussed and bassists, Roger waters or Guy Pratt?

[shakotan]

LewG said:

I think he's talking about the new Ford GT sequence, I noticed it too

I think they just used it as an annotation, as it was shown at the same time that Clarkson stated that the top speed was 216mph.