The Grand Tour
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Tootles the Taxi said:
I'm genuinely astounded by the ill-informed and holier than thou attitude shown by many posters in the thread.
If these are genuinely your views and understanding of how (a) the world works and (b) how TV entertainment programmes work, you need to take a good day or so to have a long, hard look at your own lives. For the hard of understanding, let me explain:
1. It's a form of entertaiment. If it doesn't entertain you, don't pay your subscription (and don't watch pirated copies, I'm not going to be lectured on morality by criminals).
2. If you really think those bad, wealthy westerners bought all the fish from the market, thus depriving all those worthy brown-skinned, hard-working locals of their daily nosh, you're mental. It wasn't shot in real time, it wasn't a documentary, the people selling the fish (if it was their fish that were bought) only care about getting paid. The couldn't give a f
k whether someone eats it, plays tennis with it or has sex with it. They're in business to sell fish. It might surprise you to find out that there are businessmen and women in Africa too.
3. "Some African could have had the Merc" - Jesus, just because owning a clapped out W124 is your wet dream doesn't mean that they all should be treated as though they're a protected species. The African who sold that car to the production team probably earned enough money to buy himself a new fishing boat so he caould catch more fish to sell. Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, buy his stty W124 and he'll be able to feed himself for life.
4. They're actors. May and Hammond are being paid to (a) fall off the motorbike and (b) get grumpy with Clarkson when he does something stupid - ITS NOT REAL LIFE. Just occasionally, one of them will get injured or have a bad day, but most of the time, the arguments are scripted. Think of them as the male equivalent of the Spice Girls. They weren't being themselves either, but instead of Scary, Ginger, Posh, Sporty and Baby CHM are Reactionary, Crashy and Pernickety.
So when the third series happens, all those who find it distasteful, cancel your Amazon Prime subscription and let everyone else who understands get on with enjoying the hour or so of eye chewing-gum.
best comment on here by a long way, well said sir If these are genuinely your views and understanding of how (a) the world works and (b) how TV entertainment programmes work, you need to take a good day or so to have a long, hard look at your own lives. For the hard of understanding, let me explain:
1. It's a form of entertaiment. If it doesn't entertain you, don't pay your subscription (and don't watch pirated copies, I'm not going to be lectured on morality by criminals).
2. If you really think those bad, wealthy westerners bought all the fish from the market, thus depriving all those worthy brown-skinned, hard-working locals of their daily nosh, you're mental. It wasn't shot in real time, it wasn't a documentary, the people selling the fish (if it was their fish that were bought) only care about getting paid. The couldn't give a f
k whether someone eats it, plays tennis with it or has sex with it. They're in business to sell fish. It might surprise you to find out that there are businessmen and women in Africa too.3. "Some African could have had the Merc" - Jesus, just because owning a clapped out W124 is your wet dream doesn't mean that they all should be treated as though they're a protected species. The African who sold that car to the production team probably earned enough money to buy himself a new fishing boat so he caould catch more fish to sell. Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, buy his s
tty W124 and he'll be able to feed himself for life.4. They're actors. May and Hammond are being paid to (a) fall off the motorbike and (b) get grumpy with Clarkson when he does something stupid - ITS NOT REAL LIFE. Just occasionally, one of them will get injured or have a bad day, but most of the time, the arguments are scripted. Think of them as the male equivalent of the Spice Girls. They weren't being themselves either, but instead of Scary, Ginger, Posh, Sporty and Baby CHM are Reactionary, Crashy and Pernickety.
So when the third series happens, all those who find it distasteful, cancel your Amazon Prime subscription and let everyone else who understands get on with enjoying the hour or so of eye chewing-gum.
Lord Marylebone said:
Tootles the Taxi said:
I'm genuinely astounded by the ill-informed and holier than thou attitude shown by many posters in the thread.
If these are genuinely your views and understanding of how (a) the world works and (b) how TV entertainment programmes work, you need to take a good day or so to have a long, hard look at your own lives. For the hard of understanding, let me explain:
1. It's a form of entertaiment. If it doesn't entertain you, don't pay your subscription (and don't watch pirated copies, I'm not going to be lectured on morality by criminals).
2. If you really think those bad, wealthy westerners bought all the fish from the market, thus depriving all those worthy brown-skinned, hard-working locals of their daily nosh, you're mental. It wasn't shot in real time, it wasn't a documentary, the people selling the fish (if it was their fish that were bought) only care about getting paid. The couldn't give a fk whether someone eats it, plays tennis with it or has sex with it. They're in business to sell fish. It might surprise you to find out that there are businessmen and women in Africa too.
3. "Some African could have had the Merc" - Jesus, just because owning a clapped out W124 is your wet dream doesn't mean that they all should be treated as though they're a protected species. The African who sold that car to the production team probably earned enough money to buy himself a new fishing boat so he caould catch more fish to sell. Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, buy his stty W124 and he'll be able to feed himself for life.
4. They're actors. May and Hammond are being paid to (a) fall off the motorbike and (b) get grumpy with Clarkson when he does something stupid - ITS NOT REAL LIFE. Just occasionally, one of them will get injured or have a bad day, but most of the time, the arguments are scripted. Think of them as the male equivalent of the Spice Girls. They weren't being themselves either, but instead of Scary, Ginger, Posh, Sporty and Baby CHM are Reactionary, Crashy and Pernickety.
So when the third series happens, all those who find it distasteful, cancel your Amazon Prime subscription and let everyone else who understands get on with enjoying the hour or so of eye chewing-gum.
Here's a newsflash for you:If these are genuinely your views and understanding of how (a) the world works and (b) how TV entertainment programmes work, you need to take a good day or so to have a long, hard look at your own lives. For the hard of understanding, let me explain:
1. It's a form of entertaiment. If it doesn't entertain you, don't pay your subscription (and don't watch pirated copies, I'm not going to be lectured on morality by criminals).
2. If you really think those bad, wealthy westerners bought all the fish from the market, thus depriving all those worthy brown-skinned, hard-working locals of their daily nosh, you're mental. It wasn't shot in real time, it wasn't a documentary, the people selling the fish (if it was their fish that were bought) only care about getting paid. The couldn't give a f
k whether someone eats it, plays tennis with it or has sex with it. They're in business to sell fish. It might surprise you to find out that there are businessmen and women in Africa too.3. "Some African could have had the Merc" - Jesus, just because owning a clapped out W124 is your wet dream doesn't mean that they all should be treated as though they're a protected species. The African who sold that car to the production team probably earned enough money to buy himself a new fishing boat so he caould catch more fish to sell. Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, buy his s
tty W124 and he'll be able to feed himself for life.4. They're actors. May and Hammond are being paid to (a) fall off the motorbike and (b) get grumpy with Clarkson when he does something stupid - ITS NOT REAL LIFE. Just occasionally, one of them will get injured or have a bad day, but most of the time, the arguments are scripted. Think of them as the male equivalent of the Spice Girls. They weren't being themselves either, but instead of Scary, Ginger, Posh, Sporty and Baby CHM are Reactionary, Crashy and Pernickety.
So when the third series happens, all those who find it distasteful, cancel your Amazon Prime subscription and let everyone else who understands get on with enjoying the hour or so of eye chewing-gum.
We all know they are actors.
We all know it's just made-up entertainment.
We know it isn't real in any way, shape, or form.
We know they didn't actually deprive anyone of food by taking all the fish.
The post about 'someone could have had that Merc' was just a joke.
We know they weren't really trying to catch fish, transport fish, or sell fish.
We know it is all scripted.
We know they probably paid the African locals quite handsomely for their help and assistance.
You have missed the point. The point is that we are completely fine with all the above, but many of us were extremely disappointed with the episode because we know they can actually make really good entertainment.
We are discussing why it went so wrong compared to the fantastic TV they have produced in the past.
Why is everyone getting so angry because some other people didn't enjoy it?
If I didn't enjoy an episode, I apparently have to immediately cancel my subscription and never watch TGT again. But if you find this thread makes you angry, then you're welcome to come back as often as you like and shout at everybody else because their opinion is wrong.
I'm fairly sure that those who are disappointed by TGT are a lot less angry about it than others are about this particular thread, and yet still they come back to tell us all to fk off.
Here's an idea: If you don't like what you're reading, then don't read it. If, however, you continue to read the thread in the hope of seeing a post that you like, then welcome to our world. That's why we continue to watch TGT.
If I didn't enjoy an episode, I apparently have to immediately cancel my subscription and never watch TGT again. But if you find this thread makes you angry, then you're welcome to come back as often as you like and shout at everybody else because their opinion is wrong.
I'm fairly sure that those who are disappointed by TGT are a lot less angry about it than others are about this particular thread, and yet still they come back to tell us all to f
k off.Here's an idea: If you don't like what you're reading, then don't read it. If, however, you continue to read the thread in the hope of seeing a post that you like, then welcome to our world. That's why we continue to watch TGT.
oilbethere said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Tootles the Taxi said:
I'm genuinely astounded by the ill-informed and holier than thou attitude shown by many posters in the thread.
Does that include referring to sub-Saharan Africans as "brown-skinned locals"?Jesus Christ.
Bit different I s'pose.
After reading all comments on here I wasn't expecting much from the final episode. But I actually enjoyed it. The secret is not to take anything seriously - take it at face value. I actually found it to be quite funny.
I'm sure the TGT injected some hard cash into the local economy so a win-win for all.
I'm sure the TGT injected some hard cash into the local economy so a win-win for all.
simonrockman said:
I've found that The Grand Tour is a gateway drug. Now I've started watching other things on Prime and have to stick with it.
That is exactly correct.I did not have any form of streaming TV service before signing up for the Grand Tour.
I had Sky and nothing else.
I signed up to Prime purely to watch TGT, and once I had prime I started working my way though anything decent on there.
I then liked on demand streaming so much that I added the Netflix app/subscription to my Amazon Fire TV.
Then I bought another Fire TV stick for my other TV.
Then I added the apps for other channels and all the catch up stuff.
Then I realised that YouTube was full of fantastic hour long HD programmes and documentaries, all for free, so I started watching those on my TV.
Then I added Eurosport and suchlike to my apps for watching skiing and that kind of thing.
And now realise that I rarely watch sky or live TV at all.
In the course of 2 years my TV watching habits have completely changed and I'm thinking of cancelling sky.
The system works.
Been a really good series I thought, they seem to be given a lot of freedom, it just seemed less forced and a bit more natural.
The last one had some funny moments, but I could see how some may get a little bit uneasy, claiming to end world hunger in a third world country was a little bit indelicate and perhaps somethign they should have stayed away from, but I think they know what they are, what the audience expect and no harm done, plus a lot of people got a entertained for an hour or so, and no doubt will do, globally, for many years to come
They did end up killing quite a few fish. It looked like they were keeping them in a tank in the back of a car sloshing around for days, I would hope they had some kind of animal handler on hand and they were treated humanely and any dead ones didnt die from stress, trauma or suffocating from lack of oxygen, also that the shots of dead ones were ones that were dispatched humanely. Not sure why hoping that the program makers would consider this would make me a "Snowflake" ? I suspect they did, but being Amazon Prime, they have no reason to mention it or I didnt notice any disclaimer. If nothing else it would be a bit short sighted as some do get aerated over such matters and hate them with a passion.
The last one had some funny moments, but I could see how some may get a little bit uneasy, claiming to end world hunger in a third world country was a little bit indelicate and perhaps somethign they should have stayed away from, but I think they know what they are, what the audience expect and no harm done, plus a lot of people got a entertained for an hour or so, and no doubt will do, globally, for many years to come
They did end up killing quite a few fish. It looked like they were keeping them in a tank in the back of a car sloshing around for days, I would hope they had some kind of animal handler on hand and they were treated humanely and any dead ones didnt die from stress, trauma or suffocating from lack of oxygen, also that the shots of dead ones were ones that were dispatched humanely. Not sure why hoping that the program makers would consider this would make me a "Snowflake" ? I suspect they did, but being Amazon Prime, they have no reason to mention it or I didnt notice any disclaimer. If nothing else it would be a bit short sighted as some do get aerated over such matters and hate them with a passion.
Lord Marylebone said:
And now realise that I rarely watch sky or live TV at all.
In the course of 2 years my TV watching habits have completely changed and I'm thinking of cancelling sky.
The system works.
Same here, except it is Netflix has become the primary entertainment source in our house. My teenage kids watch literally nothing on Sky - everything is via Netflix or YouTube.In the course of 2 years my TV watching habits have completely changed and I'm thinking of cancelling sky.
The system works.
If I wasn't tied in to Sky for another 12 months, I'd bin it and save myself the money. F1 has really lost it's shine for me these days and I cannot see that changing in the new season (especially with the ludicrous toilet seat over the cockpit), so I have zero incentive to pay the premium.
CS Garth said:
The whole thing was a well observed joke lost on many.
Rich white folk have silly idea, waste resources achieving it in search for attention, focus on their difficulty in achieving it, local people bemused and they then chopper out of there (note helicopter registration C*HAV) throwing their cards in achieved nothing.
In light of the current Oxfam scandal it looks prescient.
Alternatively it could just be a st TV by numbers episode and they are getting tired. You decide. I'm not sure they have yet.
Fairly average episode, but in addition to the above it is making the fairly serious point that poverty, and future famines, are made far worse by poor transport connections in these countries.Rich white folk have silly idea, waste resources achieving it in search for attention, focus on their difficulty in achieving it, local people bemused and they then chopper out of there (note helicopter registration C*HAV) throwing their cards in achieved nothing.
In light of the current Oxfam scandal it looks prescient.
Alternatively it could just be a s
t TV by numbers episode and they are getting tired. You decide. I'm not sure they have yet.Anyhow not the best episode of S2 but entertaining enough in its own way.
How do you think the fish you eat with chips die? They are not dispatched humanely. I liked the episode. I laughed at May getting soaked and Hammond on the bike. I enjoyed the not so subtle digs at celebs who fly in in a helicopter, get their photos taken, and fly out again and then of course the trio promptly fly out on a helicopter. Bring on series 3.
So they buy some fish at a market and throw them into the back of a car or in a tank and people get a bit uneasy. Waste, cruelty, inhumaine etc
If they had thrown some packets of frozen fish fingers in the back of the car instead no one would have cared.....
But you'd still be left with some dead and wasted fish.
More sea life dies in the production of frozen fish in our supermarkets than dies in the supply of fresh fish to an African fish market. A trawler will often throw back tonnes of unwanted, dead catch in order to get the type of fish they want. But let's gloss over that. Or the mountains of food that's ploughed back into the ground or used for high protein feed for animals such as beef cattle that is simply a luxury food not a necessity, and bloody lovely a rib eye steak is too....
The whole episode was a pisstake of the "charity Africa product" that so many people make money out of in the West. This became obvious pretty quick. It didn't work very well though. Just not subtle enough even for weak minded sheep...... like me.
If they had thrown some packets of frozen fish fingers in the back of the car instead no one would have cared.....
But you'd still be left with some dead and wasted fish.
More sea life dies in the production of frozen fish in our supermarkets than dies in the supply of fresh fish to an African fish market. A trawler will often throw back tonnes of unwanted, dead catch in order to get the type of fish they want. But let's gloss over that. Or the mountains of food that's ploughed back into the ground or used for high protein feed for animals such as beef cattle that is simply a luxury food not a necessity, and bloody lovely a rib eye steak is too....
The whole episode was a pisstake of the "charity Africa product" that so many people make money out of in the West. This became obvious pretty quick. It didn't work very well though. Just not subtle enough even for weak minded sheep...... like me.
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