SAS: Rogue Warriors: BBC2 9pm.

[Joscal]

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/740879.Rogue_Wa...
Book mentioned for anyone who's interested.

[marcosgt]

Bunfighter said:

You need to read about the ethic of WWII. There's been a few books. Coventry, Manchester, London, VI, VII. Britain excelled at bombing and was arguably better at hitting factories, cities and other targets. Dresden is argued as a war crime however it could be seen as a necessary evil. If German civilians didn't agree with their leaders they could always have demonstrated, become partisans or left. The truth is many supported Hitler wholeheartedly. Stalin's noted after the war 'where SAS the opposition'? Hitler couldn't have sent all political activitists' to the concentration camps. Civilians in both sides were targets.

I don't want to drag this into a fight over whether atrocities on the allied parts were acceptable.

The programme was interesting and impressively even handed, but I'm not sure there was a lot of value in shots of the historian driving a jeep in the desert in front of a post war lorry... Equally, there was a lot of stock footage (burning flames, CGI explosions, etc) that didn't actually add anything, in my view.

I was getting a bit tired of the historian and the stock film images by episode 3.

Bunfighter said:

If German civilians didn't agree with their leaders they could always have demonstrated, become partisans or left.

I think that's a bit naive, certainly by the outbreak of the war. The majority who did openly disagree with the Nazis ended up in concentration camps or were just killed. There was no "German Resistance" in the way there was a "French Resistance", but it would have been swiftly destroyed if it had existed. As for leaving. You couldn't, same as you can't just 'leave' North Korea today.

M

Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 23 February 17:20

[Bunfighter]

There were 80million people in Germany in WW2. They could have left, like those who left for the US etc in the 1930's.

Simple fact is bar a couple of million deemed 'undesirables' the vast majority supported Hitler.

That's by the by though. It was total war waged by Hitler. The West responded, as with Japan with overwhelming force.

If Germany hadn't been weakened by Russia (4 out of every 5 German soldier killed died fighting the Russians) I feel Germany would have felt the Atomic bomb.

Edit- was Hiroshima or Nagasaki a war crime or necessity?

Edited by Bunfighter on Thursday 23 February 17:59

[MYOB]

Bunfighter said:

Edit- was Hiroshima or Nagasaki a war crime or necessity?

I wouldn't say these were a necessity. The West used the atom bombs as an excuse to shorten the war, regardless of innocent victims. Please don't be flippant over such significant events that led to the death of thousands.

[RichB]

Be good to keep this thread on topic rather than yet another Pistonhead's tangential argument.

[DoubleSix]

Quite!

[MYOB]

RichB said:

Be good to keep this thread on topic rather than yet another Pistonhead's tangential argument.

It's called a conversation!

[RichB]

It's called a boring argument but go ahead and have the last word.

[MYOB]

RichB said:

It's called a boring argument but go ahead and have the last word.

Now you're sounding pompous.

[lemmingjames]

If anyone is interested in the Vietnam War, this site gets former serving soldiers writing in with a short stories which they then share.
https://cherrieswriter.wordpress.com/2017/01/03/12...

That takes you to an article they released but im sure you can navigate your way around to other stories.

[Bunfighter]

RichB said:

Be good to keep this thread on topic rather than yet another Pistonhead's tangential argument.

Agree. I ran out of energy/steam

[vixen1700]

A little bump for this, caught the first two last night as they're being shown again on BBC4.

Excellent stuff, worth a watch if like me you missed this first time round.

Edited by vixen1700 on Friday 24th November 13:52

[Trevatanus]

DoubleSix said:

I've passed the info suggested above to my mother in the hope she'll do some digging.

Apparently my cousins have all his medals etc

Mum said he was tortured and came home broken - aged 26. Sad, as it obviously led to the drinking and violence that undermined their relationship.

Do you have much hard info on your grandfather or just what's been recounted?

Just seen this.
Sounds just like my dad who was also a Desert Rat, Who knows, maybe they served together,
Will do some digging I think.

[macp]

Just watched two episodes. Its bloody good in my opinion. And I actually like the music choices.

[TTmonkey]

macp said:

Just watched two episodes. Its bloody good in my opinion. And I actually like the music choices.

There’s a recent thread. This one is old.

[5pen]

TTmonkey said:

macp said:

Just watched two episodes. Its bloody good in my opinion. And I actually like the music choices.

There’s a recent thread. This one is old.

…and about a different programme.

This thread is about a documentary first shown in 2017 and currently available on iPlayer. The recent thread is about the dramatisation loosely based on the same events.

[Randy Winkman]

5pen said:

TTmonkey said:

macp said:

Just watched two episodes. Its bloody good in my opinion. And I actually like the music choices.

There’s a recent thread. This one is old.

…and about a different programme.

This thread is about a documentary first shown in 2017 and currently available on iPlayer. The recent thread is about the dramatisation loosely based on the same events.

Luckily, the other thread has pointed me to the subject of this one which I intend to watch.