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It seems to be a sailing version of Bear Grylls' Island show. I'm expecting the boar they catch to have been a "set up". There was definitely a stone-built quay at that island where they lay off-shore. So why not tie up there?
I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.
I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.
nicanary said:
It seems to be a sailing version of Bear Grylls' Island show. I'm expecting the boar they catch to have been a "set up". There was definitely a stone-built quay at that island where they lay off-shore. So why not tie up there?
I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.
Just like his SAS show then.I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.
nicanary said:
It seems to be a sailing version of Bear Grylls' Island show. I'm expecting the boar they catch to have been a "set up". There was definitely a stone-built quay at that island where they lay off-shore. So why not tie up there?
I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.
I'm guessing they didn't use the quay because it wouldn't have been around in Bligh's day?I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.
Anyone else think the cameraman with the wrinkled sponge fingers looked familiar from an earlier series of Bear Grylls or some other survival show?
For the viewer, it could very quickly (already perhaps?)feel like a very long time in a boat listening to people saying 'Mate' 'Mate' and 'Facking'
And that Ant being disappointed that he's not either alone or with people he actually likes.
Might feel like 6 weeks in the back of your dad's car - 'Are we there yet?'
For the viewer, it could very quickly (already perhaps?)feel like a very long time in a boat listening to people saying 'Mate' 'Mate' and 'Facking'
And that Ant being disappointed that he's not either alone or with people he actually likes.
Might feel like 6 weeks in the back of your dad's car - 'Are we there yet?'
jammy-git said:
nicanary said:
It seems to be a sailing version of Bear Grylls' Island show. I'm expecting the boar they catch to have been a "set up". There was definitely a stone-built quay at that island where they lay off-shore. So why not tie up there?
I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.
I'm guessing they didn't use the quay because it wouldn't have been around in Bligh's day?I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.
Why oh why did they select Glenister for the voiceover? It's like listening to your geography teacher - droning on monotonously about wool production in Argentina.
Bligh had a compass and sextant (no chronometer by all accounts) but I haven't seen this lot do anything so far to plot a course. Is the support boat using GPS d'ye think? Cheats.
PS Pity about Ben, but he's a chippy by trade and his hands are his livelihood. I didn't rate Ant's management skills much - when he had his chat with Chris he immediately passed the buck to the rest of the crew, beginning the talk with "the rest of them don't want you". Ducking his responsibilities as team leader. Wouldn't want to fight the Taliban alongside him.
Bligh had a compass and sextant (no chronometer by all accounts) but I haven't seen this lot do anything so far to plot a course. Is the support boat using GPS d'ye think? Cheats.
PS Pity about Ben, but he's a chippy by trade and his hands are his livelihood. I didn't rate Ant's management skills much - when he had his chat with Chris he immediately passed the buck to the rest of the crew, beginning the talk with "the rest of them don't want you". Ducking his responsibilities as team leader. Wouldn't want to fight the Taliban alongside him.
Edited by nicanary on Tuesday 7th March 22:03
I'm enjoying it but I am very disappointed no reference is made to how he navigated.
Bligh had a compass sextant and tables but no chronometer, the mutineers were wise enough to keep the K2 chronometer and also kept Bligh's charts on the Bounty (a Masters most valuable possession).
Nothing can diminish the feat of navigation he made. The sextant would have been used to track his latitude each noon by meridian altitude, in the absence of an accurate time piece this can be done by taking successive sights and recording the point of maximum altitude, if you had tables of declination you could calculate a pretty accurate latitude. Longitude would be the problem, however he knew if he headed west he would make landfalls. Approaching an uncharted coast must have been a very stressful experience. To his credit Bligh charted the Islands he encountered.
Quite a man and the real achievement was keeping discipline among the crew in the most atrocious of circumstances and leading them to safety.
Pretty sure he would have dealt with the Chris character in very short order.
Bligh had a compass sextant and tables but no chronometer, the mutineers were wise enough to keep the K2 chronometer and also kept Bligh's charts on the Bounty (a Masters most valuable possession).
Nothing can diminish the feat of navigation he made. The sextant would have been used to track his latitude each noon by meridian altitude, in the absence of an accurate time piece this can be done by taking successive sights and recording the point of maximum altitude, if you had tables of declination you could calculate a pretty accurate latitude. Longitude would be the problem, however he knew if he headed west he would make landfalls. Approaching an uncharted coast must have been a very stressful experience. To his credit Bligh charted the Islands he encountered.
Quite a man and the real achievement was keeping discipline among the crew in the most atrocious of circumstances and leading them to safety.
Pretty sure he would have dealt with the Chris character in very short order.
nicanary said:
I didn't rate Ant's management skills much - when he had his chat with Chris he immediately passed the buck to the rest of the crew, beginning the talk with "the rest of them don't want you". Ducking his responsibilities as team leader. Wouldn't want to fight the Taliban alongside him.
Pretty much my thoughts, wasn't prepared to own it as a decision by him and still didn't actually sort it out. Neither did he deal well with the problems as they came up either, just let the crew pick up the slack and they had to come to him with the problem Edited by nicanary on Tuesday 7th March 22:03
Uncomfortable all round.
At the same time, if the Scouser had a grudge against Ant then no matter what Ant said, he wouldnt listen whereas if he says the crew, Scouser might be more inclined to change as hes more friendly with them (has trouble with authority, Ant = authority).
Its all about people management and recognizing the traits and how to get people to react the right way
Its all about people management and recognizing the traits and how to get people to react the right way
I agree, if he thinks it's the whole crew then hopefully it makes him realise that the problem is with himself and not just one person who doesn't get on with him.
And I think this voyage has been more about the survival aspect of the journey across the Pacific, rather than staying absolutely true to Bligh's trip and tools of the time.
And I think this voyage has been more about the survival aspect of the journey across the Pacific, rather than staying absolutely true to Bligh's trip and tools of the time.
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