THOR 3: Ragnarok
Discussion
Tony Starks said:
The Spruce goose said:
We had a New Zealand student teacher when I was at school, half Maori built like a brick-house. Spoke in the same manor but a monster on the rugby pitch.
You should watch Boy, a cracking Taika film. And very representative of a large portion of Maori.ICallCustard said:
Same format as most of the marvel films then, just spread over two films.
I like them but they are getting too samey.
Intro - heroes win a battle easily with slick one liners
Middle bit - uh oh the baddy finds/does X which reduces the heroes ability/effectiveness, causing much angst and self doubt.
End - heroes regroups just in time and win against the odds.
There must more they can do than this
Be fair, if you are going to be that reductive you are going to catch most films out. Most films story arc are, be rubbish, get good and reach the top, get challenged at being the best - then either win - or very rarely in Hollywood - lose I like them but they are getting too samey.
Intro - heroes win a battle easily with slick one liners
Middle bit - uh oh the baddy finds/does X which reduces the heroes ability/effectiveness, causing much angst and self doubt.
End - heroes regroups just in time and win against the odds.
There must more they can do than this
Or most fantasy films, find a resident dread lord of ultimately evil, quest to find something, defeat them.
There are only a few stories and most story arcs are broadly the same when you stand back.
Anyway - I re watched Thor the orginal, still not sure if Portman is any use as an Actor. But in any event, it is still a good film
Gargamel said:
Be fair, if you are going to be that reductive you are going to catch most films out. Most films story arc are, be rubbish, get good and reach the top, get challenged at being the best - then either win - or very rarely in Hollywood - lose
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Moonhawk said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFal553wR3k
"He's a cocktail maker"........"a pretty good cocktail maker too"........"till he has a crisis of confidence".........
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p1stonhead said:
Just got round to watching this. Fantastic. Best marvel film for me by a long way.
Didn’t really like the other standalone Thor films that much but this was great.
Same here.Didn’t really like the other standalone Thor films that much but this was great.
As a kid I used to read all the Marvel comics (wish I'd collected them) and never really got into Thor. The other Thor movies probably took me back to that feeling of "Meh" that I felt when reading the comics.
This one had totally passed me by. I wasn't expecting the Hulk part, knew nothing about what I was going to be watching and totally had a blast for the whole 2 hrs of the movie with some genuine LOL moments.
There is an essential problem with all superhero movies.
There is no point in being a superhero unless your powers work, and allow you to do extraordinary things. On the other hand a film in which superheroes just win everything, because well they are super, would be boring.
It’s why Origins films are often better than the full formed hero. Since its fun to see development.
So on the one hand you need to show Batman fighting and winning and arresting criminals with relative ease. Built you also need to show him up against a super baddie and in real jeopardy.
Same reason that James Bond gets knocked out or captured in pretty much every film.
Marvel in my view have done a good job of this, GofGII for example, you know something isn’t right, but its done well.
Transformers, Pacific Rim and a few others are still on the invading alien force set to strip the Earth of its resources. Frankly its a little dull/lacks true jeopardy - I hope Infinity War avoids this.
I enjoyed the movie but I am once again thankful to Red Letter Media for pinpointing issues I had with a movie.
Spoilers
The basic problem with this movie was yet again a one movie baddie, never talked of before and who will probably not be discussed again, who has a plot to destroy the world/nine realms etc for Reasons.
The movie itself was far more interested in the bits of the story that were actually interesting, or fun, so the scenes at Asgard were almost an afterthought and most of Thor's friends died virtually unmentioned.
What if we hadn't had this entire plotline and instead the movie was about Thor and Loki marooned on the planet and then a story that began and ended there?. To me that might have made a better movie without the tonal shifts.
Anyhow, aside from the basic plot, the movie was brilliant. Great dialogue, comedy and action. A movie where Thor and Bannon/Hulk just hand out for most of it would be fine.
"Hulk is like a raging fire, Thor is like smoldering Fire"
Spoilers
The basic problem with this movie was yet again a one movie baddie, never talked of before and who will probably not be discussed again, who has a plot to destroy the world/nine realms etc for Reasons.
The movie itself was far more interested in the bits of the story that were actually interesting, or fun, so the scenes at Asgard were almost an afterthought and most of Thor's friends died virtually unmentioned.
What if we hadn't had this entire plotline and instead the movie was about Thor and Loki marooned on the planet and then a story that began and ended there?. To me that might have made a better movie without the tonal shifts.
Anyhow, aside from the basic plot, the movie was brilliant. Great dialogue, comedy and action. A movie where Thor and Bannon/Hulk just hand out for most of it would be fine.
"Hulk is like a raging fire, Thor is like smoldering Fire"
This is an amazing breakdown behind the scenes of some of the CGI in the film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGCLyeqlsZI
In some of the scenes, the only thing real about Hela was the face! No idea. Insane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGCLyeqlsZI
In some of the scenes, the only thing real about Hela was the face! No idea. Insane.
JagLover said:
The basic problem with this movie was yet again a one movie baddie, never talked of before and who will probably not be discussed again, who has a plot to destroy the world/nine realms etc for Reasons.
I'm not 100% sure we've seen the last of Hela.[anorak]
In the comics, Thanos is in love with the personification of Death, and is pissed off that there are more people alive today than have died since the beginning of time. He seeks out the infinity stones to right that perceived imbalance, and once he has them he wipes out half the population of the universe in the blink of an eye, thereby gifting Death a ton of souls.
We know from the Avengers 3 trailer that Thanos is out to "rebalance" the universe and wants to wipe out half its inhabitants. We also know from the easter egg at the end of Avengers 1, which revealed Thanos as the baddie behind the attempted invasion of Earth, that when told that to attack earth again would be to "court death", he leered in a sinister way.
So I can see the possibility of a role for Hela in Avengers 4 as the consort of Thanos.
It's also worth remembering that a number of the key characters have lost people close to them: Captain America (Peggy Carter), Tony Stark and Thor (parents, all four), Spiderman (Uncle Ben - not explicitly said so but he lives with Aunt May so a fair inference), Peter Quill (mother), Drax and Gamora (parents), the Scarlet Witch (Quciksilver), Black Panther (father), and that's just off the top of my head. I could see some of them being "turned" in exchange for Hela offering to return their lost ones to them.
All speculation though...
That said, I agree that pulling out of the bag a huge chunk of previously unhinted-at Asgardian history was a wee bit "eh?".
Greg66 said:
I'm not 100% sure we've seen the last of Hela.
[anorak]
In the comics, Thanos is in love with the personification of Death, and is pissed off that there are more people alive today than have died since the beginning of time. He seeks out the infinity stones to right that perceived imbalance, and once he has them he wipes out half the population of the universe in the blink of an eye, thereby gifting Death a ton of souls.
We know from the Avengers 3 trailer that Thanos is out to "rebalance" the universe and wants to wipe out half its inhabitants. We also know from the easter egg at the end of Avengers 1, which revealed Thanos as the baddie behind the attempted invasion of Earth, that when told that to attack earth again would be to "court death", he leered in a sinister way.
So I can see the possibility of a role for Hela in Avengers 4 as the consort of Thanos.
It's also worth remembering that a number of the key characters have lost people close to them: Captain America (Peggy Carter), Tony Stark and Thor (parents, all four), Spiderman (Uncle Ben - not explicitly said so but he lives with Aunt May so a fair inference), Peter Quill (mother), Drax and Gamora (parents), the Scarlet Witch (Quciksilver), Black Panther (father), and that's just off the top of my head. I could see some of them being "turned" in exchange for Hela offering to return their lost ones to them.
All speculation though...
That said, I agree that pulling out of the bag a huge chunk of previously unhinted-at Asgardian history was a wee bit "eh?".
Maybe you will be right[anorak]
In the comics, Thanos is in love with the personification of Death, and is pissed off that there are more people alive today than have died since the beginning of time. He seeks out the infinity stones to right that perceived imbalance, and once he has them he wipes out half the population of the universe in the blink of an eye, thereby gifting Death a ton of souls.
We know from the Avengers 3 trailer that Thanos is out to "rebalance" the universe and wants to wipe out half its inhabitants. We also know from the easter egg at the end of Avengers 1, which revealed Thanos as the baddie behind the attempted invasion of Earth, that when told that to attack earth again would be to "court death", he leered in a sinister way.
So I can see the possibility of a role for Hela in Avengers 4 as the consort of Thanos.
It's also worth remembering that a number of the key characters have lost people close to them: Captain America (Peggy Carter), Tony Stark and Thor (parents, all four), Spiderman (Uncle Ben - not explicitly said so but he lives with Aunt May so a fair inference), Peter Quill (mother), Drax and Gamora (parents), the Scarlet Witch (Quciksilver), Black Panther (father), and that's just off the top of my head. I could see some of them being "turned" in exchange for Hela offering to return their lost ones to them.
All speculation though...
That said, I agree that pulling out of the bag a huge chunk of previously unhinted-at Asgardian history was a wee bit "eh?".
I still think the next Avengers movie would be much more fun if it were just Thor, Hulk and a few others going on a road trip together.
Surprised myself by quite enjoying Thor 3. As good as Ironman 2, maybe better. Novelty of flying superbeings in spandex wore off a long time ago though and it doesn't help that every superbeing movie only ever has 1 of 3 plots into which you could substitute any other of the vast number of superbeings created to part punters from their money.
My daughter (10) and I watched this last night. We have both got big into Marvel recently and seen Endgame twice already. This one had past us by.
I f
king loved it. Thos kicking arse to Zeppelin's Immigrant Song is brilliant. The humor was ace too. Few funny scenes I really liked were :
Korg telling the Loki projection to ps off and kicking the wall.
When Thor throws the ball at the window I was in stitches.
Banner jumping out the ship to be the Hulk and faliing flat on his face.
Goldblum was excellent as always.
It amazes me with MCU how they can make a film so different from the others but still brilliant. Compare this today Iron Man. Both brilliant films and both so different.
Also the mid credits scene now explains the start of Infinity War which makes more sense now.
I f
king loved it. Thos kicking arse to Zeppelin's Immigrant Song is brilliant. The humor was ace too. Few funny scenes I really liked were :Korg telling the Loki projection to p
s off and kicking the wall.When Thor throws the ball at the window I was in stitches.
Banner jumping out the ship to be the Hulk and faliing flat on his face.
Goldblum was excellent as always.
It amazes me with MCU how they can make a film so different from the others but still brilliant. Compare this today Iron Man. Both brilliant films and both so different.
Also the mid credits scene now explains the start of Infinity War which makes more sense now.
I think Ragarok is a film of two halves; Sakaar, ace, and Asgard, boring. I said at the time drop Asgard and lets have more cosmic adventures, which looks likely to happen with GotG3.
Fans obviously took to the new slant CH put on Thor. In the comics Hercules had cosmic adentures, Thor may get those stories like he got World War Hulk.
Fans obviously took to the new slant CH put on Thor. In the comics Hercules had cosmic adentures, Thor may get those stories like he got World War Hulk.
Scabutz said:
My daughter (10) and I watched this last night. We have both got big into Marvel recently and seen Endgame twice already. This one had past us by.
I fking loved it. Thos kicking arse to Zeppelin's Immigrant Song is brilliant. The humor was ace too. Few funny scenes I really liked were :
Korg telling the Loki projection to ps off and kicking the wall.
When Thor throws the ball at the window I was in stitches.
Banner jumping out the ship to be the Hulk and faliing flat on his face.
Goldblum was excellent as always.
It amazes me with MCU how they can make a film so different from the others but still brilliant. Compare this today Iron Man. Both brilliant films and both so different.
Also the mid credits scene now explains the start of Infinity War which makes more sense now.
Best marvel film IMO. I f
king loved it. Thos kicking arse to Zeppelin's Immigrant Song is brilliant. The humor was ace too. Few funny scenes I really liked were :Korg telling the Loki projection to p
s off and kicking the wall.When Thor throws the ball at the window I was in stitches.
Banner jumping out the ship to be the Hulk and faliing flat on his face.
Goldblum was excellent as always.
It amazes me with MCU how they can make a film so different from the others but still brilliant. Compare this today Iron Man. Both brilliant films and both so different.
Also the mid credits scene now explains the start of Infinity War which makes more sense now.
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