THOR 3: Ragnarok
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It was a really good and funny film, I'd agree with others though that the funny overpowered a few of the deaths in the film. Jeff Goldblum was very Jeff Goldblum, maybe maximum Goldblum 
. Cameos in 'that' scene were great. One other thing I thought was odd though... Wouldn't having your eye scooped out in a fight really f
king hurt? Yes he's a god etc but he just got up and got on with it.
. Cameos in 'that' scene were great. One other thing I thought was odd though... Wouldn't having your eye scooped out in a fight really fking hurt? Yes he's a god etc but he just got up and got on with it.Arklight said:
Watched it last night, very funny film but...
possibly too funny for its own good, it was hard to take any of the more serious moments in the film as more than an interlude between the jokes. Such as the way the Warriors 3 where unceremoniously dispatched without a second thought or mention (or the lack of Sif).
Korg was the stand out character for me though from the first word he spoke
Agreed, Korg was great. I hope he appears in future movies.possibly too funny for its own good, it was hard to take any of the more serious moments in the film as more than an interlude between the jokes. Such as the way the Warriors 3 where unceremoniously dispatched without a second thought or mention (or the lack of Sif).
Korg was the stand out character for me though from the first word he spoke
I’ll confess to being a big fan of the juggernaut that is the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and have enjoyed pretty much everything they’ve done since the first Iron Man. But Ragnarok is one of the few MCU films I found disappointing. I enjoyed it, but there were too many moments in the film when I found myself thinking “that’s not right”.
For example, apart from Thor and Hulk, the established characters of Asgard didn’t feel like the characters established in previous films.
Indeed. Dispatched the Warriors 3 as though they were nameless mooks, never to be mentioned again. And Odin’s departure felt underwritten.
Actually, I’d say the whole film felt underwritten.
One of the things the MCU has done well is to get the balance of action/humour/character spot on. With Ragnarok I think they missed the mark. Sure, it was very funny, but most of the other elements that make the MCU films work as more than just CGI bubble gum were missing.
It felt like they’d looked at the success of the GoG films, and decided “that works, so let’s do the same thing with Thor”. I reckon if they'd given the director a new character to introduce to the franchise it would have worked better. For example I'm sure he could have done a great job introducing Ant-Man, where the characters and tone hadn't yet been established.
I know I’m in a very small minority with my opinion, but there it is.
For example, apart from Thor and Hulk, the established characters of Asgard didn’t feel like the characters established in previous films.
Moonhawk said:
Arklight said:
Watched it last night, very funny film but...
possibly too funny for its own good, it was hard to take any of the more serious moments in the film as more than an interlude between the jokes. Such as the way the Warriors 3 where unceremoniously dispatched without a second thought or mention (or the lack of Sif).
Korg was the stand out character for me though from the first word he spoke
I'd agree with that. Good film - but taken one step too far IMO.possibly too funny for its own good, it was hard to take any of the more serious moments in the film as more than an interlude between the jokes. Such as the way the Warriors 3 where unceremoniously dispatched without a second thought or mention (or the lack of Sif).
Korg was the stand out character for me though from the first word he spoke
Actually, I’d say the whole film felt underwritten.
One of the things the MCU has done well is to get the balance of action/humour/character spot on. With Ragnarok I think they missed the mark. Sure, it was very funny, but most of the other elements that make the MCU films work as more than just CGI bubble gum were missing.
It felt like they’d looked at the success of the GoG films, and decided “that works, so let’s do the same thing with Thor”. I reckon if they'd given the director a new character to introduce to the franchise it would have worked better. For example I'm sure he could have done a great job introducing Ant-Man, where the characters and tone hadn't yet been established.
I know I’m in a very small minority with my opinion, but there it is.
The Waititi film What We Do In The Shadows was on BBC2 lastnight, I had no idea and missed it, but it's on iPlayer for a month http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b053fyv3
SpudLink said:
Indeed. Dispatched the Warriors 3 as though they were nameless mooks, never to be mentioned again. And Odin’s departure felt underwritten.
Actually, I’d say the whole film felt underwritten.
One of the things the MCU has done well is to get the balance of action/humour/character spot on. With Ragnarok I think they missed the mark. Sure, it was very funny, but most of the other elements that make the MCU films work as more than just CGI bubble gum were missing.
It felt like they’d looked at the success of the GoG films, and decided “that works, so let’s do the same thing with Thor”. I reckon if they'd given the director a new character to introduce to the franchise it would have worked better. For example I'm sure he could have done a great job introducing Ant-Man, where the characters and tone hadn't yet been established.
I know I’m in a very small minority with my opinion, but there it is.
Agreed. The death of the warriors three and Odin felt very forced and dare I say it unnecessary. I mean Odin had to die to give Thor the motivation to finally accept the throne and become the new King (the loss of his eye was a nice touch and I am glad that wasn't given away on the trailers) but it seemed like they found him just for him to say 'I'm dying and here is a secret I never told anyone so the audience isn't confused when Hela shows up'. That being said did the warriors three have to die or at all? The reason I say this is because there is no sight of Lady Sif for the whole film so would it have been such a stretch for all four of them to have been absent? Anyway those are my only two complaints about the film.Actually, I’d say the whole film felt underwritten.
One of the things the MCU has done well is to get the balance of action/humour/character spot on. With Ragnarok I think they missed the mark. Sure, it was very funny, but most of the other elements that make the MCU films work as more than just CGI bubble gum were missing.
It felt like they’d looked at the success of the GoG films, and decided “that works, so let’s do the same thing with Thor”. I reckon if they'd given the director a new character to introduce to the franchise it would have worked better. For example I'm sure he could have done a great job introducing Ant-Man, where the characters and tone hadn't yet been established.
I know I’m in a very small minority with my opinion, but there it is.
The above aside this was far and away the best Thor film and is easily one of my top five marvel films, the fantasy setting really works for Thor as his films can get away with not being at all grounded in reality humor can be written in with out spoiling the tone and it also allowed us to see Banner as Hulk for an extended period (we all know Hulk is best as a supporting character) which actually allowed some genuine character development for him. I know a lot of people are saying it was similar to GOTG but to be honest I was very pleased that it wasn't set on Earth like the previous two films and I really believe it has its own sense of humor which gets the laughs it deserves.
I am keen to see Black Panther but what I hope with that is for more of a Winter Soldier vibe with very minor humor and an much more grounded thriller style film but we will have to wait and see for that.
Lastly I watched the youtube video with Steven Spielberg and as much as I like him as a director I have to disagree on his likening Superhero films to Westerns, I personally love a good Western and in turn a good Superhero film but the level of options available to someone directing a Superhero film outstrips a Western twenty times over, for example The Dark Knight is nothing like Guardians.
I think that this depth and variety will keep Superhero films around for a long time yet.
At first thought I’d be inclined to agree that there is more scope to do very different things with superhero films.
But then I remembered this example of how far the western can be stretched.
But then I remembered this example of how far the western can be stretched.
The Cowboys and Aliens thing popped into my head, but only after, it was the style (or sub-genre if you like) of the contemporary/weird western like McCabe and Mrs MIller, Dead Man, Coogan's Bluff. I've just checked wiki and they've altered the sub-genres slightly I think. And then I thought of the comedies, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_(genre)
It made me think of the hero genre as a backdrop, MCU films are mostly the same, with Winter Soldier as a stand-out in both style and story, and one of my fave MCUs, along with GotG and Iron-Man.
Then it did make me think of the classical good guy victorious ending, since most hero films tend to end the same way, even if the beats are different. I think Watchmen gets closest, as the bad guy turns out to be a good guy and 'wins'. Although there is that fantastic cliffhanger ending.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_(genre)
It made me think of the hero genre as a backdrop, MCU films are mostly the same, with Winter Soldier as a stand-out in both style and story, and one of my fave MCUs, along with GotG and Iron-Man.
Then it did make me think of the classical good guy victorious ending, since most hero films tend to end the same way, even if the beats are different. I think Watchmen gets closest, as the bad guy turns out to be a good guy and 'wins'. Although there is that fantastic cliffhanger ending.
IMO Cowboys vs Aliens was a massive miss at an open goal - could have been fantastic but ended up being 'meh'. Mind you if you're talking about weird westerns....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good,_the_Bad,_t...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good,_the_Bad,_t...
Thor Ragnarok '4D live showing'. Spoilers to the basic setup of the movie if you haven't seen it, and a warning that this video contains James Corden
https://youtu.be/8atgsWFfDOg
https://youtu.be/8atgsWFfDOg
ajprice said:
Thor Ragnarok '4D live showing'. Spoilers to the basic setup of the movie if you haven't seen it, and a warning that this video contains James Corden
https://youtu.be/8atgsWFfDOg
https://youtu.be/8atgsWFfDOg
Halb said:
ajprice said:
Thor Ragnarok '4D live showing'. Spoilers to the basic setup of the movie if you haven't seen it, and a warning that this video contains James Corden
https://youtu.be/8atgsWFfDOg
https://youtu.be/8atgsWFfDOg
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