Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[IanH755]

MBBlat said:

chris watton said:

Wasn't Lando in ESB?

And the metal bikini was from Return - but since they are trying to please all of the crazies Lando will be recast as a white male to balance out Ghostbusters/Ocean 8/Black Panther etc. LeiaRey will be a nothing more than a damsel in distress and will be the only female allowed within 100 miles of the film. Nobody who doesn't own at least $1,000 dollars of original action figures will be allowed to see the resulting film, plus at least one rare figure if you want to make a comment about the resulting film anywhere.

All the above with tongue firmly planted in cheek

Also I wonder what those frothing about how SJW's have ruined their childhoodStar Wars forever would make of a film where a strong independent woman ended up rescuing the two bumbling males who tried to rescue her?

Whilst said firmly tongue in cheek, people who genuinely have that sort of poor attitude towards the fans show a total lack of respect for what the vast majority of fans actually want.

Yes there is an incredibly small amount of "bad" SW fans who are sexist/racist morons but the vast overwhelming majority aren't. People just wanted a good story and they didn't get one, yet to complain about it gets you lumped in with the "bad" fans which, to me, just makes the people doing the "labelling" look as small minded as those "bad" SW fans.

[MBBlat]

IanH755 said:

Whilst said firmly tongue in cheek, people who genuinely have that sort of poor attitude towards the fans show a total lack of respect for what the vast majority of fans actually want.

Yes there is an incredibly small amount of "bad" SW fans who are sexist/racist morons but the vast overwhelming majority aren't. People just wanted a good story and they didn't get one, yet to complain about it gets you lumped in with the "bad" fans which, to me, just makes the people doing the "labelling" look as small minded as those "bad" SW fans.

Well my reply was kind of aimed at the "bad" SW fans, who I'm quite willing to admit are a minority, just an incredibly loud one. Yes the Last Jedi had its problems, the purple haired woman in particular should have been given some reason for not trusting Poe, but not nearly enough to be a franchise killer some "fans" seem to be loudly insisting it is, and the problems it has have nothing to do with SJW's. Hollywood has always leaned a little left, and that was as true in the 70's as it is today.

[ukaskew]

There are parts of this article that seem to nail the fandom thing in my opinion..

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.hollywoodreport...

[Guvernator]

ukaskew said:

There are parts of this article that seem to nail the fandom thing in my opinion..

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.hollywoodreport...

Adversely IMO that article is way off base for me. It reads like any of the other Disney love-in articles that try to blame "racist fans" for the poor reception of the new movies and totally ignores the things that are actually wrong with the movies. It even throws in the Ghostbuster remake as an example of another fine movie that was ruined by racist fans and says Star Wars is for children.

Sorry I don't think you could have picked a worse article to nail the fandom thing. This type of blame the fans article is the exact thing we've been moaning about for the last 10 pages.

[IanH755]

ukaskew said:

There are parts of this article that seem to nail the fandom thing in my opinion..

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.hollywoodreport...

Really? It's yet another "the fans who hated TLJ are all misogynist, sexist, racist..................................etc" article which yet again, describes about 0.1% of SW fans (a few thousand) and completely ignores that 99.9% of the rest who didn't like it (aka, tens of millions of people) and it wasn't because of any "SJW" crap, it was because the story was god awful and took a massive dump on the biggest hero of the franchise Luke, who will now be remembered no longer as a Hero of the Rebellion, the most hopeful man in the galaxy (Mark Hamills own words) and a man willing to die because he could sense the tiniest bit of good in the most evil of people, but instead he'll be remembered as a man who tried to murder his own nephew in his sleep because he looked like he might be a bit bad - Who writes this garbage and which Lucasfilm exec reads it and agree's that THIS is the best way to finish Lukes story?????????

By concentrating of the crap that 0.1% of SW fans are posting and ignoring what the 99.9% are saying, these critics are now part of the problem because they've lumped everyone together, so they can't objectively critique TLJ and say - "Yeap it had a lot of problems" because that would place themselves in the same box as the 0.1% nutters and they'll never do that. Honestly, how many critics have changed their initial reviews in either direction after a few more viewings? I'd suggest the answer is a very small number if any.

Edited by IanH755 on Saturday 23 June 23:53

[RobDickinson]

The fans are toxic because Ryan produced a huge steaming pile of turd, nothing to do with gender roles.

[Pesty]

Somebody posted a link the other day to a YouTube review by a puppet. I can’t find it anybody know the name of the channel. He said fk it a lot.

[bstb3]

Pesty said:

Somebody posted a link the other day to a YouTube review by a puppet. I can’t find it anybody know the name of the channel. He said fk it a lot.

This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0QPCS4a84k&t=...

Voxis Productions is the channel.

Wasn't my link originally, but cudos to whoever did post it.

[Pesty]

Yeah that’s it thanks. Very entertaining.

[Moonhawk]

ukaskew said:

There are parts of this article that seem to nail the fandom thing in my opinion..

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.hollywoodreport...

"But if The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi were too progressive for some fans"

I'd say that they represent regressive movie making - given that the cast was highly segregated into women and ethnic minorities = good guys, white males = bad guys.

Why is segregation considered "progressive"?

[RobDickinson]

Tfa was unoriginal but entertaining on the whole.

Nothing like the pile of garbage tlj is

[Halb]

the puppet thing is ok, I think others do actual reviews and analysis better, but when the puppet got onto disney, it was fairly good. Reminded me of a video from this thread, that talked about how disney doesn't make good films, all of its decent films are from imported companies/properties.

TFA was a pretty good snowjob, it was the first and had goodwill. Rewatching it some time later, it has a lot if not most of the issues the last jedi has.

[chris watton]

Halb said:

the puppet thing is ok, I think others do actual reviews and analysis better, but when the puppet got onto disney, it was fairly good. Reminded me of a video from this thread, that talked about how disney doesn't make good films, all of its decent films are from imported companies/properties.

TFA was a pretty good snowjob, it was the first and had goodwill. Rewatching it some time later, it has a lot if not most of the issues the last jedi has.

The only Disney era SW film I can re watch is Rogue One, the others are quite empty experiences.

I'd say it's the actual films and the people responsible for them that are 'toxic', not the majority of fans.

Edited by chris watton on Sunday 24th June 13:51

[Moonhawk]

Halb said:

TFA was a pretty good snowjob, it was the first and had goodwill. Rewatching it some time later, it has a lot if not most of the issues the last jedi has.

TFA traded very heavily on nostalgia and goodwill. The story was ok but unoriginal.

I think what TFA did though was set up some potentially interesting arcs. Who is Snoke, where did he come from, why did Kylo turn, who are Rey's parents and why is she so powerful, where has Luke been and what has he been doing, what went down between ROTJ and TFA that lead to the rise of the First Order, what is the fallout of the republic capital star systems being destroyed etc

TLJ lost the fans partly because it ignored or pissed over all of these potentially interesting arcs and seemed to confirm that Rey really is just a Mary Sue.

[Mr. White]

Moonhawk said:

TFA traded very heavily on nostalgia and goodwill. The story was ok but unoriginal.

I think what TFA did though was set up some potentially interesting arcs. Who is Snoke, where did he come from, why did Kylo turn, who are Rey's parents and why is she so powerful, where has Luke been and what has he been doing, what went down between ROTJ and TFA that lead to the rise of the First Order, what is the fallout of the republic capital star systems being destroyed etc

TLJ lost the fans partly because it ignored or pissed over all of these potentially interesting arcs and seemed to confirm that Rey really is just a Mary Sue.

Exactly. I gave Rey a pass in TFA due to the arc that was strongly indicated. As has been said many times, Rhian Johnson not only made an awful film, but also managed to ruin TFA. In fact he's probably achieved the threefer as many (including me) now have absolutely no interest in seeing how these arcs play out.

[Guvernator]

Strongly agree with the last few points. TFA certainly had a few issues of it's own, basically being a re-tread of A New Hope, woefully under using Solo and that space monster scene being a few but it had a lot of goodwill going for it and managed to capture that original trilogy Star Wars feel that was mostly missing from the prequels. The scene where they have to fly "the piece of junk" for the first time was pure Star Wars magic.

However TLJ has managed to ruin nearly all of that good will. I never thought a film could actually ruin what had gone before while also ruining anticipation for what's to come but TLJ has somehow pulled off a magic trick of making TFA stter while simultaneously sucking out most of my enthusiasm for any films to follow at the same time. Well done Mr Johnson and Ms Kennedy, take a huge bow.

[p1stonhead]

I havent seen it since the cinema but i still laugh when I think about the 'very slow chase for two hours' storyline of TLJ

[Moonhawk]

p1stonhead said:

I havent seen it since the cinema but i still laugh when I think about the 'very slow chase for two hours' storyline of TLJ

I wonder why the First Order didn't think of hyper spacing a couple of star destroyers ahead of the rebel fleet to cut off their escape.......you know like the tactic the Empire used in both ROTJ and Rogue One.

It's a bit like that case scene from the end of Blues Brothers (which incidentally had Carrie Fisher in it too) - only the Blues Brothers chase was less st.

If they wanted to do a chase scene - they should have gone down the BSG episode "33" route - jumping away, only to be caught a short time later as the First Order tracked them and jumped in - gradually wearing them down over days/weeks. That would have given more time for the side stories to play out with a bit more time too.

Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 25th June 15:54

[Rumblestripe]

This thread never ceases to amuse me.

I take it you are all "Investors" in the remake?

Here's my script pitch

The Last Jedi Remake

First of all, no girls and Luke is back and he has awesome Jedi powers and he swears (a bit). He has a girlfriend (who never wears much) and Darth Maul is Snoke's dad and Rey is probably his daughter and she joins him* and they build a new even bigger Death Star inside (and this is the clever bit) an actual star so way bigger than that Death Planet and the rebels, sorry resistance, have proper X-wings and they have to fly along a valley** in the star but here comes Kylo Ren in his Brat-Fighter, The End***

• You can't trust females even jedi babes.

• Not a trench, no sir.
• Cliffhanger for Episode IX, see?

[chris watton]

Rumblestripe said:

This thread never ceases to amuse me.

I take it you are all "Investors" in the remake?

Here's my script pitch

The Last Jedi Remake

First of all, no girls and Luke is back and he has awesome Jedi powers and he swears (a bit). He has a girlfriend (who never wears much) and Darth Maul is Snoke's dad and Rey is probably his daughter and she joins him* and they build a new even bigger Death Star inside (and this is the clever bit) an actual star so way bigger than that Death Planet and the rebels, sorry resistance, have proper X-wings and they have to fly along a valley** in the star but here comes Kylo Ren in his Brat-Fighter, The End***

• You can't trust females even jedi babes.

• Not a trench, no sir.
• Cliffhanger for Episode IX, see?

You are such a tw@t

ETA - I am sure no sane person thinks like that, so I can only presume you're projecting your own prejudices to this. Berk.

Edited by chris watton on Monday 25th June 18:49