Traffic Cops Channel 5
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Wheelspinning said:
pacenotes said:
pacenotes said:
Some knobs alright, Easy target comes to mind.
No need for getting mouthy with him, It was pretty obvious he didn't see/hear them. I seen him take out ear plugs when he stopped.
I also wouldn't like the patronising manner they dealt with it, If they stopped me like that.
Not very professional if you ask me.
Glad to see it was dropped when it came to court. No need for getting mouthy with him, It was pretty obvious he didn't see/hear them. I seen him take out ear plugs when he stopped.
I also wouldn't like the patronising manner they dealt with it, If they stopped me like that.
Not very professional if you ask me.
The 'incriminating' footage showed a biker perform a safe overtake with non restricted view over double whites as he duly pointed out to the officers. Illegal, yes, but taking into account the above worth a roadside caution.
Everyone at some point has most likely done a manoeuvre like that overtaking a tractor or similar with a long line of sight.
They followed him for a large distance and footage showed normal road manners.
The officers alleged that he was broke the speed limit but did not offer the incriminating footage, just the fact they had to drive at speed to catch up.
The biker had his headphones on and didn't check his mirrors; due care and attention? Really?
The biker remained very calm, apologised and very reasonably offered his version.
The bearded copper was hanging out of the window with flailing arms shouting aggressively from an unmarked car whilst overtaking the biker.
The officer sprinted out of the car and approached in a very aggressive manner, followed by officer 2 whom is apparently God sent to 'save lives' as he mentioned approx 12 times during his moment on telly.
Whilst the footage showing the bikers 'crimes' would certainly offer a strong worded roadside caution, the fact that bearded officer 1 behaved in an easily demonstrated 'out of control manner' to the member of the public, then joined by officer 2 whom made repeated roadside threats of taking the biker into custody and having his licence removed, easily removed any chance of prosecution.
If the biker made a formal complaint, you will probably find in this instance that the officers were required for a further training development for how they behaved inappropriately to a member of the public and an apology letter issued to the biker for any distress caused.
In an earlier incident, the self proclaimed 'life safer' left bearded officer at an incident to chase after a driver who had the audacity to toot his horn whilst the officer in an unmarked car, parked on the highway, walked around the front of his vehicle without the required high vis jacket on onto the highway into the path of said oncoming vehicle ; hopefully the 'offender' appealed that also as he was warning a pedestrian about walking onto the highway whilst he was passing at speed.
The whole segment of these 2 officers just demonstrated they have training requirements on how to deal on a non aggressive manner to the public.
20+ years ago I got points and a fine from North Yorks Police for potentially touching a solid white with one wheel as I came back in after an overtake on someone who turned out to be an off duty police man (that accelerated as I passed to keep me out longer than I'd anticipated) I found that one a hard watch.
I got penalised on the word of someone with no evidence but a decent reputation and that chap got off despite it being on video in combination with a number of other things.
I thought I'd moved on but this woke up some lingering anger
thetapeworm said:
20+ years ago I got points and a fine from North Yorks Police for potentially touching a solid white with one wheel as I came back in after an overtake on someone who turned out to be an off duty police man (that accelerated as I passed to keep me out longer than I'd anticipated) I found that one a hard watch.
I got penalised on the word of someone with no evidence but a decent reputation and that chap got off despite it being on video in combination with a number of other things.
I thought I'd moved on but this woke up some lingering anger
The highway code actually states that if you are being overtaken then it is your responsibility to facilitate that overtake by reducing speed if necessary.I got penalised on the word of someone with no evidence but a decent reputation and that chap got off despite it being on video in combination with a number of other things.
I thought I'd moved on but this woke up some lingering anger
t to not look in his mirrors for mile upon mile. Nearly all the bikers shown were the usual imbeciles.megaphone said:
Vipers said:
Evoluzione said:
There were faults on both sides there, bell ended cops meet bell end on bike, it wasn't going to end well.
At times I am surprised the cops can restrain themselves, wouldn’t fancy their job. Personally I thought the policeman handled it very well with the gobby biker.It reminded me of an incident I had a long time ago too. For those who know Leeds I was coming down from Tingley roundabout towards Leeds ( before Sainsburys) on a dual carriageway. I don't remember what i'd done, probably driving too quickly and they 'lit it up' pulling in behind me. There was no-where safe to stop so I trundled on because I knew there was a shopping centre coming up. They pulled alongside and passenger cop was going absolutely mental at me gesticulating to pull over.
I carried on to the carpark and parked up, cop carried on going mental asking my why I didn't stop, I told him it wasn't safe to do so, but he wasn't having it. I think they were mad because they'd seen I was probably going too quick, but couldn't do anything about it, it was very badly handled.
I carried on to the carpark and parked up, cop carried on going mental asking my why I didn't stop, I told him it wasn't safe to do so, but he wasn't having it. I think they were mad because they'd seen I was probably going too quick, but couldn't do anything about it, it was very badly handled.
Evoluzione said:
It reminded me of an incident I had a long time ago too. For those who know Leeds I was coming down from Tingley roundabout towards Leeds ( before Sainsburys) on a dual carriageway. I don't remember what i'd done, probably driving too quickly and they 'lit it up' pulling in behind me. There was no-where safe to stop so I trundled on because I knew there was a shopping centre coming up. They pulled alongside and passenger cop was going absolutely mental at me gesticulating to pull over.
I carried on to the carpark and parked up, cop carried on going mental asking my why I didn't stop, I told him it wasn't safe to do so, but he wasn't having it. I think they were mad because they'd seen I was probably going too quick, but couldn't do anything about it, it was very badly handled.
When they tell you to pull over, you pull over - it isn't for you to decide to do it when you feel like it. I carried on to the carpark and parked up, cop carried on going mental asking my why I didn't stop, I told him it wasn't safe to do so, but he wasn't having it. I think they were mad because they'd seen I was probably going too quick, but couldn't do anything about it, it was very badly handled.
I've been pulled over a few times, and prosecuted a few times including for speeding and drink driving in the past. Every time the police were respectful with me and I was with them. When you've done wrong and been caught, be adult about it and accept it. Some people on these programmes throw a toddler tantrum when the only person they should truly be getting angry with is themselves.
This is a question, not an opinion: if you wear headphones (or in a car have stereo) so loud as such that you can't hear a police siren right behind you, are you not guilty of driving without due care and attention?
Same goes for not looking in your mirrors for 2 miles, esp when overtaking (to make sure no-one is overtaking you at same time etc.).
I would agree both policemen appeared over aggressive in their manner when they pulled him over, esp as they (at that point) were unaware of why rider had not stopped (e.g. was driver deaf etc.).
Same goes for not looking in your mirrors for 2 miles, esp when overtaking (to make sure no-one is overtaking you at same time etc.).
I would agree both policemen appeared over aggressive in their manner when they pulled him over, esp as they (at that point) were unaware of why rider had not stopped (e.g. was driver deaf etc.).
Dracoro said:
I would agree both policemen appeared over aggressive in their manner when they pulled him over, esp as they (at that point) were unaware of why rider had not stopped (e.g. was driver deaf etc.).
Good point but even a deaf rider should be more aware of what is behind them, you shouldn't just trundle around totally oblivious on what is happening behind you for the time it seems he did.Although a lot of car drivers seem to manage it
Seraph14 said:
Evoluzione said:
It reminded me of an incident I had a long time ago too. For those who know Leeds I was coming down from Tingley roundabout towards Leeds ( before Sainsburys) on a dual carriageway. I don't remember what i'd done, probably driving too quickly and they 'lit it up' pulling in behind me. There was no-where safe to stop so I trundled on because I knew there was a shopping centre coming up. They pulled alongside and passenger cop was going absolutely mental at me gesticulating to pull over.
I carried on to the carpark and parked up, cop carried on going mental asking my why I didn't stop, I told him it wasn't safe to do so, but he wasn't having it. I think they were mad because they'd seen I was probably going too quick, but couldn't do anything about it, it was very badly handled.
When they tell you to pull over, you pull over - it isn't for you to decide to do it when you feel like it. I carried on to the carpark and parked up, cop carried on going mental asking my why I didn't stop, I told him it wasn't safe to do so, but he wasn't having it. I think they were mad because they'd seen I was probably going too quick, but couldn't do anything about it, it was very badly handled.
I've been pulled over a few times, and prosecuted a few times including for speeding and drink driving in the past. Every time the police were respectful with me and I was with them. When you've done wrong and been caught, be adult about it and accept it. Some people on these programmes throw a toddler tantrum when the only person they should truly be getting angry with is themselves.
DoctorX said:
I'm not a biker, so I don't know how much your helmet blocks your view (and whether you need to turn your head to check your mirrors) but surely you'd see flashing blues in your peripheral vision?
Depends really, if you're target is apexes and making an efficient line through them at a decent rate of progress, you probably don't need to look that much, that said, there was plenty of straight sections where he could and should have had a quick glance. I generally always have at least some idea of what's going on behind though. He said he had music on, if he's got earplug style headphones, plus wind noise, plus a farty exhaust, I'm not surprised he didn't here. Nardies said:
Depends really, if you're target is apexes and making an efficient line through them at a decent rate of progress, you probably don't need to look that much, that said, there was plenty of straight sections where he could and should have had a quick glance. I generally always have at least some idea of what's going on behind though. He said he had music on, if he's got earplug style headphones, plus wind noise, plus a farty exhaust, I'm not surprised he didn't here.
I’m not surprised but then again I’ve followed people for miles and they’ve been taken by surprise when I’ve overtaken them. I am 100% certain though that failure to notice someone following you for that length of time demonstrates an appalling standard of driving/riding which easily constitutes careless driving.Take the bloody earplugs out and get a quieter exhaust if you’re then inhibited by them that you don’t notice all that noise and light behind you.
Seraph14 said:
Evoluzione said:
It reminded me of an incident I had a long time ago too. For those who know Leeds I was coming down from Tingley roundabout towards Leeds ( before Sainsburys) on a dual carriageway. I don't remember what i'd done, probably driving too quickly and they 'lit it up' pulling in behind me. There was no-where safe to stop so I trundled on because I knew there was a shopping centre coming up. They pulled alongside and passenger cop was going absolutely mental at me gesticulating to pull over.
I carried on to the carpark and parked up, cop carried on going mental asking my why I didn't stop, I told him it wasn't safe to do so, but he wasn't having it. I think they were mad because they'd seen I was probably going too quick, but couldn't do anything about it, it was very badly handled.
When they tell you to pull over, you pull over - it isn't for you to decide to do it when you feel like it. I carried on to the carpark and parked up, cop carried on going mental asking my why I didn't stop, I told him it wasn't safe to do so, but he wasn't having it. I think they were mad because they'd seen I was probably going too quick, but couldn't do anything about it, it was very badly handled.
I've been pulled over a few times, and prosecuted a few times including for speeding and drink driving in the past. Every time the police were respectful with me and I was with them. When you've done wrong and been caught, be adult about it and accept it. Some people on these programmes throw a toddler tantrum when the only person they should truly be getting angry with is themselves.
Nardies said:
DoctorX said:
I'm not a biker, so I don't know how much your helmet blocks your view (and whether you need to turn your head to check your mirrors) but surely you'd see flashing blues in your peripheral vision?
Depends really, if you're target is apexes and making an efficient line through them at a decent rate of progress, you probably don't need to look that much, that said, there was plenty of straight sections where he could and should have had a quick glance. I generally always have at least some idea of what's going on behind though. He said he had music on, if he's got earplug style headphones, plus wind noise, plus a farty exhaust, I'm not surprised he didn't here. 
Wheelspinning said:
The 'incriminating' footage showed a biker perform a safe overtake with non restricted view over double whites as he duly pointed out to the officers. Illegal, yes, but taking into account the above worth a roadside caution.
Not sure this interaction would be on either cop’s show reel. That said I’d question the safety of the biker O/T given that he clearly didn’t check behind for a faster moving road user before his manoeuvre.
Or at any time for some miles it would seem.
In one of the studio segments (just after the deaf and blind biker) the Sergeant says "a lot of people don't realise that being allowed to use the roads is an entitlement rather than a given right" - 23m20 on that Youtube link. As those both mean pretty much the same thing, I am surprised the production team didn't allow him to re-record that bit and say it's a "privilege" or "earned", rather than letting it go out like that.
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