The Orville - Seth MacFarlane comedy Star Trek
Discussion
Pesty said:
Doesn’t make sense to me. Why risk war and inevitable losses plus taking on 300 races when you can just colonate an empty planet.
Are we thinking all those dead bodies are them or a different race the killed when they took the planet over.
I think they explained that they were the builders. The builders ended up in a war with the machines and ended up exterminated. Are we thinking all those dead bodies are them or a different race the killed when they took the planet over.
Pesty said:
Doesn’t make sense to me. Why risk war and inevitable losses plus taking on 300 races when you can just colonate an empty planet.
I did wonder at the time, but I think that logically it'd make sense to invade an existing technologically developed planet if casualties can be minimised. The existing infrastructure is already in place rather than having to build power stations, transport links etc from scratch. Being mechanoids without emotion then casualties are a simple cost v benefit analysis and as we saw they were prepared to wait for the opportunity given to them by the Orville to reduce potential losses to a suitably low level.As we saw from their own planet, once the invasion was complete they'd clearly be very efficient at removing any remaining human threat.
jagnet said:
Pesty said:
Doesn’t make sense to me. Why risk war and inevitable losses plus taking on 300 races when you can just colonate an empty planet.
I did wonder at the time, but I think that logically it'd make sense to invade an existing technologically developed planet if casualties can be minimised. The existing infrastructure is already in place rather than having to build power stations, transport links etc from scratch. Being mechanoids without emotion then casualties are a simple cost v benefit analysis and as we saw they were prepared to wait for the opportunity given to them by the Orville to reduce potential losses to a suitably low level.As we saw from their own planet, once the invasion was complete they'd clearly be very efficient at removing any remaining human threat.
The Kaylon are concerned that the enslavement tendencies of "biologicals" will always resurface, and therefore they would be better off eliminating the threat(s) now while they had a technological advantage.
JonChalk said:
Don't think it was about colonisation or invasion, but eradication.
A bit of both, I think. I watched part 1 again last night and the Kaylons stated that they'd reached the informational capacity of their own planet; with their population increasing exponentially they needed to expand to new worlds. The implication, I think, was that whilst all was well in isolation on Kaylon, it was their future expansion that would bring them into conflict with biologicals, that co-existence was impossible from what they'd learned through Isaac and hence the need to eradicate. Colonisation and eradication thus occurring concurrently.jagnet said:
A bit of both, I think. I watched part 1 again last night and the Kaylons stated that they'd reached the informational capacity of their own planet; with their population increasing exponentially they needed to expand to new worlds. The implication, I think, was that whilst all was well in isolation on Kaylon, it was their future expansion that would bring them into conflict with biologicals, that co-existence was impossible from what they'd learned through Isaac and hence the need to eradicate. Colonisation and eradication thus occurring concurrently.
Good point - need to watch it (pt2) again, really.I was trying to work out what sci-fi classics were referenced in the landing on Kaylon in part 1.
Star Trek The Motion Picure, the approach to the centre of V'ger
Star Wars, Cloud City and the transporting of a frozen Han Solo; visually very similar to the planet Coruscant.
Aliens, a definite hint of the flute in James Horner's score as they descended through the clouds.
The Matrix, hovercraft pad technology for the landing clamps plus the music as the clamps engaged
Anybody recognise any others?
Star Trek The Motion Picure, the approach to the centre of V'ger
Star Wars, Cloud City and the transporting of a frozen Han Solo; visually very similar to the planet Coruscant.
Aliens, a definite hint of the flute in James Horner's score as they descended through the clouds.
The Matrix, hovercraft pad technology for the landing clamps plus the music as the clamps engaged
Anybody recognise any others?
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
Pesty said:
Doesn’t make sense to me. Why risk war and inevitable losses plus taking on 300 races when you can just colonate an empty planet.
Are we thinking all those dead bodies are them or a different race the killed when they took the planet over.
I think they explained that they were the builders. The builders ended up in a war with the machines and ended up exterminated. Are we thinking all those dead bodies are them or a different race the killed when they took the planet over.
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