Star Trek: Discovery - New series on Netflix

[glazbagun]

chris watton said:

Crucially, for those who pretend they liked this (or perhaps genuinely like it, we are in a world of Idiocracy after all), how many have actually bought the box set, and will watch any episode more than once? How many would actually pay to watch any more of this, if it wasn't already on a platform they pay for anyway?

I more or less liked it up until the shockingly lame finale, but it's clear that it isn't Star Trek in any form, it's just a crass IP smash & grab in a way that even the movie reboot wouldn't have dared attempt.

It isn't The Last Jedi levels of sacrilige in that it has at least been watchable on many occasions and "felt" Star Trekky on others, but I won't be buying the box set for my Dad who watched everything from TOS to Voyager.

[LoonyTunes]

Vipers said:

...but now Spock is there with Pike and the ship and new aliens?!

There's nothing wrong with that scenario. In the feature length pilot episode of the original trek back in the 60's Pike/Spock were the original duo, Kirk arrived later.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059753/

This is why Pike holds a special place in Trek lore.

[Beefmeister]

chris watton said:

Crucially, for those who pretend they liked this (or perhaps genuinely like it, we are in a world of Idiocracy after all), how many have actually bought the box set, and will watch any episode more than once? How many would actually pay to watch any more of this, if it wasn't already on a platform they pay for anyway?

What a strange metric to measure something by. I absolutely love a lot of series and films and haven’t bought a box set for about 20yrs.

The constant flow of new content means I have neither the time, nor desire to re-watch shows. Not buying box sets doesn’t make me any less of a fan.

[coldel]

Yes Pike has been that character that always flitted in and out and was the original captain.

Its a TV show, entertainment, I got some entertainment out of it and I love Star Trek (currently working my way through Voyager again after doing every episode of TNG last year) - for me the ethos of Star Trek is simple, exploration. As long as they stick to that I have no problem with wobbly characters or Klingons that do not have hair. I think you can hang on to the old stuff a bit too much screaming bloody murder at something different. actually I liked the idea of something a bit different.

[geeks]

chris watton said:

300bhp/ton said:

SpudLink said:

All the people I know that like sci-fi really enjoyed ST Discovery. All of them familiar with various versions of Trek, although none of them Trekkies. And yet here on the internet the majority opinion is that it’s complete rubbish, and not really Start Trek at all.

Maybe I’m missing something, but I love the show, and I have no problem considering it part of the Star Trek franchise.

Maybe should try asking a Trekkie....

Crucially, for those who pretend they liked this (or perhaps genuinely like it, we are in a world of Idiocracy after all), how many have actually bought the box set, and will watch any episode more than once? How many would actually pay to watch any more of this, if it wasn't already on a platform they pay for anyway?

I liked it, I would be considered a Trekkie, I think it started a bit wobbly but got into its stride at the end of the first season, I have asked for the season 1 box set for Christmas so we will see what that brings, had we not already had Netflix we would have signed up to watch (the wife is also a Trekkie)

LoonyTunes said:

Vipers said:

...but now Spock is there with Pike and the ship and new aliens?!

There's nothing wrong with that scenario. In the feature length pilot episode of the original trek back in the 60's Pike/Spock were the original duo, Kirk arrived later.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059753/

This is why Pike holds a special place in Trek lore.

^^this, Vipers, your son needs to up his Trek Trivia if he wants to be considered a guru, Pike is Trek 101!

[ben5575]

chris watton said:

300bhp/ton said:

SpudLink said:

All the people I know that like sci-fi really enjoyed ST Discovery. All of them familiar with various versions of Trek, although none of them Trekkies. And yet here on the internet the majority opinion is that it’s complete rubbish, and not really Start Trek at all.

Maybe I’m missing something, but I love the show, and I have no problem considering it part of the Star Trek franchise.

Maybe should try asking a Trekkie....

Crucially, for those who pretend they liked this (or perhaps genuinely like it, we are in a world of Idiocracy after all), how many have actually bought the box set, and will watch any episode more than once? How many would actually pay to watch any more of this, if it wasn't already on a platform they pay for anyway?

Me. I thoroughly enjoyed the first season and rewatched it with my kids who now at least know what Star Trek is. But then we're all idiots because we don't still live in the 1960s.

[coldel]

ben5575 said:

Me. I thoroughly enjoyed the first season and rewatched it with my kids who now at least know what Star Trek is. But then we're all idiots because we don't still live in the 1960s.

Indeed me too, another idiot on the list for daring to have an alternative opinion to the watton-o-meter rating machine

[LordGrover]

Pretty sure my first memories of Star Trek it was in black and white. Or maybe it was just that we didn't have a colour TV.

Anyway, I've been an avid fan of all things Star Trek from the beginning. Some series/generations took a while for me to warm to, but in the end I've enjoyed them all.
I really don't even notice nor care about timelines and inconsistencies - I just enjoy the escapism.
I was a little worried after the first couple of episodes, but Star Trek Discovery has thus far proven to be excellent. I've taken to it far sooner than I did DS9 and Enterprise. It's a bit more style over substance - it looks great, but I find the story-line(s) a little weak - hey-ho.

With the dearth of quality sci-fi on our televisions these days, I'm very happy Discovery is here.

[chris watton]

LordGrover said:

Pretty sure my first memories of Star Trek it was in black and white. Or maybe it was just that we didn't have a colour TV.

Anyway, I've been an avid fan of all things Star Trek from the beginning. Some series/generations took a while for me to warm to, but in the end I've enjoyed them all.
I really don't even notice nor care about timelines and inconsistencies - I just enjoy the escapism.
I was a little worried after the first couple of episodes, but Star Trek Discovery has thus far proven to be excellent. I've taken to it far sooner than I did DS9 and Enterprise. It's a bit more style over substance - it looks great, but I find the story-line(s) a little weak - hey-ho.

With the dearth of quality sci-fi on our televisions these days, I'm very happy Discovery is here.

I have been quite enjoying The Expanse..

[coldel]

chris watton said:

This is funny - the thing is, yours is not an 'Alternative Opinion', it is the establishment opinion, as just as brave as De Nero shouting 'fk Trump' to an audience that 100% agrees!

In the real world however, it will be interesting to see both the DVD/BR sales and uptake for Season 2 of STD.

Some people like it, more people don't, it doesn't make those that don't 100% correct. Again sales, box sets etc. are all pretty irrelevant as to whether someone enjoys a TV show or not. The conclusion is that if they are down it means not as many people wanted to buy it, it doesn't mean those that do buy it are wrong to do so.

In the UK the most popular colour is blue, doesn't make everyone that likes red wrong

[chris watton]

coldel said:

Some people like it, more people don't, it doesn't make those that don't 100% correct. Again sales, box sets etc. are all pretty irrelevant as to whether someone enjoys a TV show or not. The conclusion is that if they are down it means not as many people wanted to buy it, it doesn't mean those that do buy it are wrong to do so.

In the UK the most popular colour is blue, doesn't make everyone that likes red wrong

You are quite right, of course.

[coldel]

chris watton said:

coldel said:

Some people like it, more people don't, it doesn't make those that don't 100% correct. Again sales, box sets etc. are all pretty irrelevant as to whether someone enjoys a TV show or not. The conclusion is that if they are down it means not as many people wanted to buy it, it doesn't mean those that do buy it are wrong to do so.

In the UK the most popular colour is blue, doesn't make everyone that likes red wrong

You are quite right, of course.

Just my opinion

[LordGrover]

chris watton said:

I have been quite enjoying The Expanse..

Yep, it's okay - some of the characters (actors?) are difficult to like or take seriously though.
Didn't like Altered Carbon first time, let down by Kinnaman as Kovacs. Currently re-watching and thoroughly enjoying it.
Continuum and Salvation of the current crop are not great.

Babylon 5, Andromeda, Stargate, Lexx, BSG, Firefly, plus things like Heroes, Dollhouse and X-Files are/were my kind of thing.

[Rumblestripe]

coldel said:

Some people like it, more people don't,

I think that's unlikely. But it is certainly conjectural (please don't bother with the "everyone I talk to" carp)

Plainly enough people watched the first series for them to commission a second. What I tend to find, particularly in sci fi, is the haters are far more vociferous than the lovers. Star Wars, Dr. Who and Star Trek have all be heavily trolled by haters. What the true ratio of haters/lovers is difficult to know.

[coldel]

Rumblestripe said:

coldel said:

Some people like it, more people don't,

I think that's unlikely. But it is certainly conjectural (please don't bother with the "everyone I talk to" carp)

Plainly enough people watched the first series for them to commission a second. What I tend to find, particularly in sci fi, is the haters are far more vociferous than the lovers. Star Wars, Dr. Who and Star Trek have all be heavily trolled by haters. What the true ratio of haters/lovers is difficult to know.

I was making an observation in the post based on this thread more than any wider view of things. If you look at what I said in context it makes sense so not sure why you are having a dig. Personally I think it was a good series, it seems reading on here more people disliked it. I don't have any independent research which shows what percentage of viewers liked it vs not.

I for one prefer series that stretch out over long periods of time to actually make an effort to introduce something new, otherwise it does go stale for me personally and I lose interest. Does it tie perfectly to something made decades ago? Maybe not, but you know what, its a flippin TV show its not real life, its entertainment, I try to set aside any minor quibbles and take it at face value.

[mikal83]

As there appears to be several netflickers here. Is it worth it? I have the full sky package, films sports etc, but I am a Trekkie and was miffed when it was on Netflix only. Missus and I like a good film but hate the cinema...…..(turn OFF your feckin phone you arseh@le etc). Watched 3 Billboards last week, magic. ……………?

[colin_p]

mikal83 said:

As there appears to be several netflickers here. Is it worth it? I have the full sky package, films sports etc, but I am a Trekkie and was miffed when it was on Netflix only. Missus and I like a good film but hate the cinema...…..(turn OFF your feckin phone you arseh@le etc). Watched 3 Billboards last week, magic. ……………?

"Full" sky, LOL.

How much does that cost these days, £80/mth ?

Netflix has all the Startrek and lots of other nice things and less than a tenner a month.

[coldel]

colin_p said:

"Full" sky, LOL.

How much does that cost these days, £80/mth ?

Netflix has all the Startrek and lots of other nice things and less than a tenner a month.

A quick look at Sky website shows around £80 a month for everything i.e. entertainment sports and movies - massively overpriced and no doubt over time their share will shrink as watching streaming channel continue to grow. That £80 is a locked in 18 month contract too, Netflix is 30 days notice. Football aside, cannot see the point of Sky...

[Rumblestripe]

coldel said:

Rumblestripe said:

coldel said:

Some people like it, more people don't,

I think that's unlikely. But it is certainly conjectural (please don't bother with the "everyone I talk to" carp)

Plainly enough people watched the first series for them to commission a second. What I tend to find, particularly in sci fi, is the haters are far more vociferous than the lovers. Star Wars, Dr. Who and Star Trek have all be heavily trolled by haters. What the true ratio of haters/lovers is difficult to know.

I was making an observation in the post based on this thread more than any wider view of things. If you look at what I said in context it makes sense so not sure why you are having a dig. Personally I think it was a good series, it seems reading on here more people disliked it. I don't have any independent research which shows what percentage of viewers liked it vs not.

I for one prefer series that stretch out over long periods of time to actually make an effort to introduce something new, otherwise it does go stale for me personally and I lose interest. Does it tie perfectly to something made decades ago? Maybe not, but you know what, its a flippin TV show its not real life, its entertainment, I try to set aside any minor quibbles and take it at face value.

sorry, that did come over as personal it was meant to be more general in that haters make more noise than lovers who vote with their remote controls. I don't expect anyone to like STD just because they have liked previous iterations of Trek. It's different, it does have high production values and the story lines are (as ever with Trek) in line with modern life (e.g. LGBT+ characters etc.) I was rather hoping for a return of Jason Isaacs as his mirror world self but hey ho maybe in S3?

I often read the SF threads on here and the number of times the haters rabbit on about how much they hate it and why, it does my nut in. An especial shout out to the fukktards who search You Tube for a similarly minded individual thereon and share a link to the thoughts of that You Tuber who presumably gives a more cogent explanation as to why they think it isn't very good / utter poop. As if that validates their views.

Please don't.

Put your own opinions up and argue them but the fact that some random gobshight on the internet supports your opinion does not make your opinion any better than mine. In fact it makes me think that you are so desperate to validate your opinions that you have to trawl through videos of random people spouting off to find some sad prat that happens to echo your own. It's the internet there is bound to be someone as/more stupid than you...

And relax

[Bullett]

Especially when you can get nowtv for a month if there is any absolute must see.
Plus every time you cancel you get a better deal, I’m on £4 a month for movies and I think it was £30 for 6 months of tv.
So £9 to sky, £10 to netflix and £8 to amazon.
I’ll bin sky at the end of that run as GoT will be over and the films are a bit samey post Xmas.
Thinking about dropping amazon as well but like the delivery and music add ons so probably won’t!