Star Trek: Discovery - New series on Netflix
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chris watton said:
Burnham reminds me of a video game character people play with all cheat codes enabled, making her invincible to anything.
redefining Mary Sue with every episode. The trouble is there's now no sense of peril, no matter how precipitous the situation. She can even dodge asteroids whilst taking the time to lecture her captain. Eyes on the rocks, Michael.Thank goodness that as test pilot for the pods she was there to help. 9G for 11 minutes, she really is the bestest Starfleet officer evarrr.
Overall it was a better episode than those in S01, but that's a fairly low bar and it's not great by a long shot. The attempts at humour were clunky, childish and like TLJ were at times inappropriately placed, breaking the tension of a scene at the wrong time.
Still suffering from OTT use of weird camera angles and excessive lens flare. As for the colour grading... have we finally reached peak orange and teal?
Lol those complaining about super Burnham obviously haven't watched Star Trek too much.
ToS had Spock whose "damn Vulcan physiology" got them out of more scrapes than you'd care to count.
TNG had Data - Ditto
Voyager had 7 of 9 (oh yes)
It's a well known ST trope, not sure why you guys are so surprised they are using it again tbh.
ToS had Spock whose "damn Vulcan physiology" got them out of more scrapes than you'd care to count.
TNG had Data - Ditto
Voyager had 7 of 9 (oh yes)
It's a well known ST trope, not sure why you guys are so surprised they are using it again tbh.
jagnet said:
The trouble is there's now no sense of peril, no matter how precipitous the situation. She can even dodge asteroids whilst taking the time to lecture her captain. Eyes on the rocks, Michael.
I'm sorry, peril for a senior officer in Star Trek? When was that ever a thing? From Kirk v Gorn to Picard v The Borg Collective to Janeway v the whole of the Delta Quadrant did you ever REALLY think ANY senior officer was in peril? Come on.At least in this series they HAVE killed off big characters (Or have they? Watching S02Ep1 tonight I hope)
Guvernator said:
Lol those complaining about super Burnham obviously haven't watched Star Trek too much.
ToS had Spock whose "damn Vulcan physiology" got them out of more scrapes than you'd care to count.
TNG had Data - Ditto
Voyager had 7 of 9 (oh yes)
It's a well known ST trope, not sure why you guys are so surprised they are using it again tbh.
But none of those were human. When Burnham can stand in for an android, a Vulcan and a Borg it really stretches the suspension of disbelief a bit.ToS had Spock whose "damn Vulcan physiology" got them out of more scrapes than you'd care to count.
TNG had Data - Ditto
Voyager had 7 of 9 (oh yes)
It's a well known ST trope, not sure why you guys are so surprised they are using it again tbh.
jagnet said:
Guvernator said:
Lol those complaining about super Burnham obviously haven't watched Star Trek too much.
ToS had Spock whose "damn Vulcan physiology" got them out of more scrapes than you'd care to count.
TNG had Data - Ditto
Voyager had 7 of 9 (oh yes)
It's a well known ST trope, not sure why you guys are so surprised they are using it again tbh.
But none of those were human. When Burnham can stand in for an android, a Vulcan and a Borg it really stretches the suspension of disbelief a bit.ToS had Spock whose "damn Vulcan physiology" got them out of more scrapes than you'd care to count.
TNG had Data - Ditto
Voyager had 7 of 9 (oh yes)
It's a well known ST trope, not sure why you guys are so surprised they are using it again tbh.
jagnet said:
But none of those were human. When Burnham can stand in for an android, a Vulcan and a Borg it really stretches the suspension of disbelief a bit.
Burnham is a human who spent most of her growing years as a Vulcan...hence the logical, cardboard like behaviour - similar to Spock seeing as he is her half-brother (I believe).Rumblestripe said:
I'm sorry, peril for a senior officer in Star Trek? When was that ever a thing? From Kirk v Gorn to Picard v The Borg Collective to Janeway v the whole of the Delta Quadrant did you ever REALLY think ANY senior officer was in peril? Come on.
Well Picard ended up being assimilated, I can't imagine that happening to Burnham. She'd take on a whole Borg cube single handed in unarmed combat thanks to Vulcan martial arts.Rumblestripe said:
At least in this series they HAVE killed off big characters (Or have they? Watching S02Ep1 tonight I hope)
There is only one big character in STD, that's why they had to film a rosta call just to remind us who the other supporting characters are.coldel said:
Burnham is a human who spent most of her growing years as a Vulcan...hence the logical, cardboard like behaviour - similar to Spock seeing as he is her half-brother (I believe).
Some say cardboard, others say wooden 
Spending time with Vulcans doesn't alter basic human physiology though. She's a foster child, so isn't directly related to Spock.
Rumblestripe said:
He got over it though. Did you ever really think he wouldn't?
Of course, but then until Game of Thrones the same could be said of just about any TV series and film main character. That still doesn't mean that there wasn't a sense of peril though, wondering how they'll get out of the sticky situation. Deus ex machina is rightly something that Star Trek has been accused of using too often, but when the main character themselves becomes the god it makes for some dull TV.Yet ST
has killed off major characters, Lorca, Georgiou and particularly brutally Dr. Culper (though we have had "mirror/bad" Georgiou back again) so to me that DOES mean that they might just kill off anyone, That said the pitch of the show is that we are not "following" a Starship Captain (Kirk, Picard, Janeway, Archer) but a "Science Officer" so you probably need to accept that Mickey B is here for the duration.
Just watched S2E1 and enjoyed it. I need to catch "Short Trek" now...
has killed off major characters, Lorca, Georgiou and particularly brutally Dr. Culper (though we have had "mirror/bad" Georgiou back again) so to me that DOES mean that they might just kill off anyone, That said the pitch of the show is that we are not "following" a Starship Captain (Kirk, Picard, Janeway, Archer) but a "Science Officer" so you probably need to accept that Mickey B is here for the duration.Just watched S2E1 and enjoyed it. I need to catch "Short Trek" now...
If I understand correctly, the latest episode implies the Enterprise is older than Discovery. They missed the war because they were away on a five year mission, and if I remember season one correctly the Discovery was a brand new ship.
Also, that means Kirk’s five year mission wasn’t the first. That might be old news to hard core Trekkies, but it’s new to me.
Also, that means Kirk’s five year mission wasn’t the first. That might be old news to hard core Trekkies, but it’s new to me.
SpudLink said:
If I understand correctly, the latest episode implies the Enterprise is older than Discovery. They missed the war because they were away on a five year mission, and if I remember season one correctly the Discovery was a brand new ship.
Also, that means Kirk’s five year mission wasn’t the first. That might be old news to hard core Trekkies, but it’s new to me.
Enterprise is already pretty old by the time Kirk gets command. In one of the movies where it meets it’s maker there is a continuity error when it’s mentioned it’s around 20 years old, when it was actually closer to 40 when it was destroyed (by Kirk) Also, that means Kirk’s five year mission wasn’t the first. That might be old news to hard core Trekkies, but it’s new to me.
Rumblestripe said:
Yet ST has killed off major characters, Lorca, Georgiou and particularly brutally Dr. Culper (though we have had "mirror/bad" Georgiou back again) so to me that DOES mean that they might just kill off anyone,
has killed off major characters, Lorca, Georgiou and particularly brutally Dr. Culper (though we have had "mirror/bad" Georgiou back again) so to me that DOES mean that they might just kill off anyone,Well it's still open as to whether we'll see Prime Lorca; Georgiou may have been a captain but she wasn't around long and really existed just to give us Mirror Georgiou who is the more significant character; as for Hugh Culber, meh.
Rumblestripe said:
That said the pitch of the show is that we are not "following" a Starship Captain (Kirk, Picard, Janeway, Archer) but a "Science Officer" so you probably need to accept that Mickey B is here for the duration.
I would say that that's where STD breaks so significantly from previous ST. In those we followed the crew as a whole, in STD we follow Burnham, even Acting Captain Saru does so. Her very existence on Discovery makes no sense - she mutinied and started a war that cost millions of lives and it was, as we now know, Mirror Lorca that brought her back on board to get to Mirror Georgiou. None of the crew have the slightest issue with that?jagnet said:
...she mutinied and started a war that cost millions of lives...
She mutinied to try to stop a war that T'Kuvma was plotting to start to unite the 24 great Klingon houses under his leadership.Her character/behaviour is very much in the mould of Kirk who frequently ignored orders, was regularly the only one who could see a threat, would be the one who would see a way out of an impossible situation, hard as nails, cunning as a frog, etc. With any fictional story, some "suspension of disbelief" is required of the audience/viewer, once you lose that you have seen the magician's mirror.
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