Star Trek: Discovery - New series on Netflix
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I thought it was quite poor for a returning episode.
Super Human Burnham is still a personality void, Tilly is still annoying but I liked Pike.
The rest apart from the Doc and Saru are anonymous.
The arrogant science officer buying the farm was amusing vs the red shirt but the engineer/doctor they rescue had awful dialogue.
I laughed out loud at the clicking cameras (that don't have a zoom but Saru can read). Flying the pod racers out at high speed didn't make much sense apart from 'exciting' allegedly.Some other minor annoyances that just felt sloppy on a quality show.
Still worth watching for now but it needs to up its game.
Super Human Burnham is still a personality void, Tilly is still annoying but I liked Pike.
The rest apart from the Doc and Saru are anonymous.
The arrogant science officer buying the farm was amusing vs the red shirt but the engineer/doctor they rescue had awful dialogue.
I laughed out loud at the clicking cameras (that don't have a zoom but Saru can read). Flying the pod racers out at high speed didn't make much sense apart from 'exciting' allegedly.Some other minor annoyances that just felt sloppy on a quality show.
Still worth watching for now but it needs to up its game.
AlexC1981 said:
Voyager ended nearly 20 years ago and the people who made it aren't making any new series of Star Trek. The TNG/DS9/VOY style is as dead now as TOS style of filming was the moment TNG first aired.
I enjoyed Enterprise, but I was disappointed that it was a wasted opportunity to do something different. I think Enterprise was cancelled because it was just more of the same old Trek that people were getting bored with as they had already been over saturated by 700 episodes of it.
Star Trek must adapt to survive. Classic Trek is a laughing stock. You tell someone you like it and you may as well have said you like Dungeons & Dragons. That sort of reputation is not going to bring in the viewing figures. I've tried to convince a few people to watch Discovery, but they won't because of Star Trek's reputation.
What they should have done was update the storylines and filming technique, but keep the timeline and the aesthetic (uniforms, aliens, ships etc) the same so as not to p
s off the existing fans. Star Trek The Motion Picture managed to get away with sexing everything up, but I suppose back then there were no web forums to complain about it.
I really think it was the fans who killed off Stargate in the end. If Stargate Universe had more support there could be a brand new series of it by now. Instead Stargate is gone from our screens, probably forever.
I’ve been thinking about Stargate Universe when reading the recent discussion on this thread. I thought it was a fantastic show, especially because it decided to adopt a very different tone, pace and structure. I enjoyed Enterprise, but I was disappointed that it was a wasted opportunity to do something different. I think Enterprise was cancelled because it was just more of the same old Trek that people were getting bored with as they had already been over saturated by 700 episodes of it.
Star Trek must adapt to survive. Classic Trek is a laughing stock. You tell someone you like it and you may as well have said you like Dungeons & Dragons. That sort of reputation is not going to bring in the viewing figures. I've tried to convince a few people to watch Discovery, but they won't because of Star Trek's reputation.
What they should have done was update the storylines and filming technique, but keep the timeline and the aesthetic (uniforms, aliens, ships etc) the same so as not to p
s off the existing fans. Star Trek The Motion Picture managed to get away with sexing everything up, but I suppose back then there were no web forums to complain about it.I really think it was the fans who killed off Stargate in the end. If Stargate Universe had more support there could be a brand new series of it by now. Instead Stargate is gone from our screens, probably forever.
SG1 was a great show (although I couldn’t get on with Atlantis), but they’d done it for 10 years. It was a brilliant idea to tell a new story, set in the same ‘universe’ (excuse the pun), but with a more ‘hard sci-fi’ edge and more character based stories.
But apparently fans of a show only want ‘more of the same’. I don’t really get that mentality.
SpudLink said:
I’ve been thinking about Stargate Universe when reading the recent discussion on this thread. I thought it was a fantastic show, especially because it decided to adopt a very different tone, pace and structure.
SG1 was a great show (although I couldn’t get on with Atlantis), but they’d done it for 10 years. It was a brilliant idea to tell a new story, set in the same ‘universe’ (excuse the pun), but with a more ‘hard sci-fi’ edge and more character based stories.
But apparently fans of a show only want ‘more of the same’. I don’t really get that mentality.
It will always be that way. Some expect certain rules to be retained some expect adaptation to how modern TV is moving and those rules are moved. Cannot please all the people all of the time. Look at Top Gear!SG1 was a great show (although I couldn’t get on with Atlantis), but they’d done it for 10 years. It was a brilliant idea to tell a new story, set in the same ‘universe’ (excuse the pun), but with a more ‘hard sci-fi’ edge and more character based stories.
But apparently fans of a show only want ‘more of the same’. I don’t really get that mentality.
AlexC1981 said:
I really think it was the fans who killed off Stargate in the end. If Stargate Universe had more support there could be a brand new series of it by now. Instead Stargate is gone from our screens, probably forever.
Stargate Universe was superb by the end ... the problem was that after a strong first episode, the early episodes of the first season were super-dull and earnest (in the DCEU kind of mode of grim seriousness) and didn't feel like it part of Stargate .. it just never quite recovered the share of the fanbase that those eps lost.But from about the second half of the first season onwards, they really told great entertaining stories with good sci-fi and proper mature drama too ... whilst still feeling like it was a full part of the Stargate continuity . The original SG and Atlantis look pretty cheesy after watching Universe.
Aside from the woke politics, Discovery suffers from having to be a 'modern' show but set before TOS, a relatively low-budget TV show from the 60s). If you did exact recreations of the sets and costumes of the time for every episode, it would look dated and awful. Enterprise had something of the same problem but managed to strike a balance between the feel of contemporary Star Trek of the time and portraying a much less advanced Federation.
Edited by Lucas Ayde on Thursday 24th January 13:36
The problem is that back when ST:TNG was being made Picard had a tablet computer...now we all have them and yet ST:TNG is supposed to be set in 2364. There is no way that tablets will still be around in 2064 let alone 2364.
Discovery had to address these glaring inconsistencies and thus has had to introduce tech that makes TOS now appear out of kilter - ie the Real Time 3D Hologram communications with people light years away rather than simple 'sub space messages' which appear almost like basic morse code communications now.
Discovery had to address these glaring inconsistencies and thus has had to introduce tech that makes TOS now appear out of kilter - ie the Real Time 3D Hologram communications with people light years away rather than simple 'sub space messages' which appear almost like basic morse code communications now.
ThunderSpook said:
The problem is people can’t help whinging when some people have something they enjoy but it’s not exactly what the other people want.
Whingers shut up and let the rest of us enjoy it. This should be a thread to discuss the series, not the existence of the series ideally.
Have you seen The Grand Tour thread? Whingers shut up and let the rest of us enjoy it. This should be a thread to discuss the series, not the existence of the series ideally.
I’m enjoying this programme, but I tend to watch things as a stand-alone programme rather than obsess about continuity of the most minor details.
ThunderSpook said:
Whingers shut up and let the rest of us enjoy it. This should be a thread to discuss the series, not the existence of the series ideally.
If you enjoy it, great. But discussing the series must surely allow for criticism or it becomes a very dull one sided discussion; nothing more than an STD safe space. Just my opinion obviously, but I'd like to think PH was above that.jagnet said:
If you enjoy it, great. But discussing the series must surely allow for criticism or it becomes a very dull one sided discussion; nothing more than an STD safe space. Just my opinion obviously, but I'd like to think PH was above that.
Nothing wrong with that, I’d just rather not have the continuous “I wish they hadn’t made it” comments.ThunderSpook said:
The problem is people can’t help whinging when some people have something they enjoy but it’s not exactly what the other people want.
Whingers shut up and let the rest of us enjoy it. This should be a thread to discuss the series, not the existence of the series ideally.
I've followed a few similar threads on here (mostly SciFi related oddly) and I get that some people don't like it. I don't really care if you like it or not. But some people get so involved in "proving" that a particular program is poor they search out matching opinions on the internet and post it into the threads as some sort of validation. Well bugger me sideways with a phaser, you found another hater on the internet! Some tosser with a "You Tube Channel" doesn't like STWhingers shut up and let the rest of us enjoy it. This should be a thread to discuss the series, not the existence of the series ideally.
... shrugs...It'll be a shame if it gets cancelled but it still doesn't prove anyone right or wrong, it just didn't make enough money or whatever measure they use (extra subscriptions?). I'll still have enjoyed it and the haters will have spent hours watching something they hated and hours longer finding validation on the internet...
I know who's had the most fun.
Rumblestripe said:
ThunderSpook said:
The problem is people can’t help whinging when some people have something they enjoy but it’s not exactly what the other people want.
Whingers shut up and let the rest of us enjoy it. This should be a thread to discuss the series, not the existence of the series ideally.
I've followed a few similar threads on here (mostly SciFi related oddly) and I get that some people don't like it. I don't really care if you like it or not. But some people get so involved in "proving" that a particular program is poor they search out matching opinions on the internet and post it into the threads as some sort of validation. Well bugger me sideways with a phaser, you found another hater on the internet! Some tosser with a "You Tube Channel" doesn't like STWhingers shut up and let the rest of us enjoy it. This should be a thread to discuss the series, not the existence of the series ideally.
... shrugs...It'll be a shame if it gets cancelled but it still doesn't prove anyone right or wrong, it just didn't make enough money or whatever measure they use (extra subscriptions?). I'll still have enjoyed it and the haters will have spent hours watching something they hated and hours longer finding validation on the internet...
I know who's had the most fun.
TOS was only 3 seasons long and the 3rd was absolute garbage. The original Lost in Space went the same way.
I doubt DSN or Voyager would get more than a couple of seasons in today's climate.
LoonyTunes said:
It wouldn't surprise me if it got cancelled what with all of the competition for viewers out there.
This particular argument is moot, surely? When people watch Game of Thrones, is this the only TV series they watch, or similar themed series like Vikings and The Last Kingdom? By your logic, you can be loyal to only one of these.Here's an idea, if both are worth watching, people will watch both. It's not like we're stuck with a narrow window of viewing opportunity for them, is it. They are both now available to watch at our convenience. I could watch it right now, as I have Netflix on in the background, but prefer to re-watch series 3 of The Last Kingdom.
I have chosen not to watch any further series/episodes of STD since the first series (So cannot comment on latest episodes), as both The Expanse and Orville sate my appetite for sci-fi, with protagonists that have more than one dimension to them.
I think the trouble there is that in the US the Nielsen ratings give so much weight to viewers watching as it's broadcast and barely consider streaming. With STD only available on All Access in the US, I presume they'll be using their own data so perhaps not applicable in this case, but it's certainly a strong reason why The Expanse was previously dropped.
Imho it's also why CBS have chosen to release STD just 30 minutes before The Orville, a show which is going to be more reliant on its Nielsen ratings. Or it could just be coincidence that a show that can be released at any time on a streaming service and doesn't have to fit into a broadcast schedule just happened to be moved from Sunday nights to Thursdays part way through the hour
Imho it's also why CBS have chosen to release STD just 30 minutes before The Orville, a show which is going to be more reliant on its Nielsen ratings. Or it could just be coincidence that a show that can be released at any time on a streaming service and doesn't have to fit into a broadcast schedule just happened to be moved from Sunday nights to Thursdays part way through the hour
chris watton said:
LoonyTunes said:
It wouldn't surprise me if it got cancelled what with all of the competition for viewers out there.
This particular argument is moot, surely? When people watch Game of Thrones, is this the only TV series they watch, or similar themed series like Vikings and The Last Kingdom? By your logic, you can be loyal to only one of these.Here's an idea, if both are worth watching, people will watch both. It's not like we're stuck with a narrow window of viewing opportunity for them, is it. They are both now available to watch at our convenience. I could watch it right now, as I have Netflix on in the background, but prefer to re-watch series 3 of The Last Kingdom.
I have chosen not to watch any further series/episodes of STD since the first series (So cannot comment on latest episodes), as both The Expanse and Orville sate my appetite for sci-fi, with protagonists that have more than one dimension to them.
It's also nothing to do with series of a similar ilk. It's about the sheer amount of choice available - so viewers are more widely spread across the available media.
Morecambe and Wise regularly raked in more uk viewers than GOT with a smaller population but only had to compete with 2 other channels. 1 in reality as BBC 2 wasn'r really in the entertainment game back then.
Just watched episode 2 and thought it was excellent. Developing the story well, Tilly having a bit of a comedy/genius role, Saru taking command and I think Pike is excellent and takes the pressure off Burnham as being the leading character. The Pike character is really in the old ST mould, looked very natural flipping open that communicator! There have been a fair few episodes over the years about not revealing themselves to the populous and this sat very much in that classic formula. Nicely done.
coldel said:
Just watched episode 2 and thought it was excellent. Developing the story well, Tilly having a bit of a comedy/genius role, Saru taking command and I think Pike is excellent and takes the pressure off Burnham as being the leading character. The Pike character is really in the old ST mould, looked very natural flipping open that communicator! There have been a fair few episodes over the years about not revealing themselves to the populous and this sat very much in that classic formula. Nicely done.
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