Star Trek: Discovery - New series on Netflix
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LoonyTunes said:
Game of thrones is a one-off and not a comparison.
It's also nothing to do with series of a similar ilk. It's about the sheer amount of choice available - so viewers are more widely spread across the available media.
Morecambe and Wise regularly raked in more uk viewers than GOT with a smaller population but only had to compete with 2 other channels. 1 in reality as BBC 2 wasn'r really in the entertainment game back then.
Yes, that's all fine, but if the show is good enough, it will pull in the viewers, no matter how saturated the schedule is.It's also nothing to do with series of a similar ilk. It's about the sheer amount of choice available - so viewers are more widely spread across the available media.
Morecambe and Wise regularly raked in more uk viewers than GOT with a smaller population but only had to compete with 2 other channels. 1 in reality as BBC 2 wasn'r really in the entertainment game back then.
One only has to have a quick perusal of the internet to just how little buzz there is regarding STD (except for CBS owned sites, of course).
Wasn't this excuse used for the poor performance of that Star Wars Solo film - but Marvel films, which are even more saturated than anything else out there, continues to pull in the audiences (not that I personally like them, they are all the same to me)?
toasty said:
coldel said:
Just watched episode 2 and thought it was excellent. Developing the story well, Tilly having a bit of a comedy/genius role, Saru taking command and I think Pike is excellent and takes the pressure off Burnham as being the leading character. The Pike character is really in the old ST mould, looked very natural flipping open that communicator! There have been a fair few episodes over the years about not revealing themselves to the populous and this sat very much in that classic formula. Nicely done.
Is it me or does Pike have an air of Shatner about him?toasty said:
coldel said:
Just watched episode 2 and thought it was excellent. Developing the story well, Tilly having a bit of a comedy/genius role, Saru taking command and I think Pike is excellent and takes the pressure off Burnham as being the leading character. The Pike character is really in the old ST mould, looked very natural flipping open that communicator! There have been a fair few episodes over the years about not revealing themselves to the populous and this sat very much in that classic formula. Nicely done.
Is it me or does Pike have an air of Shatner about him?It feels very sloppily written. Inconsistent actions and stupid behaviour, without the focus of war they are struggling with a direction. They set up a mystery and then almost immediately take that away. We all knew the signals were related to Spock as it was in the Ad, the odd Ensign, could have hung around for a bit before Tilly realised something was weird. It's pretty clear they are being led down a path, save the ship, pick up the rock, use the rock to fix the gravity issue on the planet.
Everyone is a genius coming up with a techno babble solution when walking in halfway through. Over exposition, the mention of WW3 which Mike then went on to describe as if a starship captain wouldn't know.
Doesn't feel 'realistic' either, sloppy little things like the stupid angled rings. And those people have been there for 200 years started in the 2050's, had scientists with them but haven't built a generator or steam engine or anything else. We developed to our current levels in less time than that from zero.
Everyone is a genius coming up with a techno babble solution when walking in halfway through. Over exposition, the mention of WW3 which Mike then went on to describe as if a starship captain wouldn't know.
Doesn't feel 'realistic' either, sloppy little things like the stupid angled rings. And those people have been there for 200 years started in the 2050's, had scientists with them but haven't built a generator or steam engine or anything else. We developed to our current levels in less time than that from zero.
Bullett said:
It feels very sloppily written. Inconsistent actions and stupid behaviour, without the focus of war they are struggling with a direction. They set up a mystery and then almost immediately take that away. We all knew the signals were related to Spock as it was in the Ad, the odd Ensign, could have hung around for a bit before Tilly realised something was weird. It's pretty clear they are being led down a path, save the ship, pick up the rock, use the rock to fix the gravity issue on the planet.
Everyone is a genius coming up with a techno babble solution when walking in halfway through. Over exposition, the mention of WW3 which Mike then went on to describe as if a starship captain wouldn't know.
Doesn't feel 'realistic' either, sloppy little things like the stupid angled rings. And those people have been there for 200 years started in the 2050's, had scientists with them but haven't built a generator or steam engine or anything else. We developed to our current levels in less time than that from zero.
Yes the astroid thing came about very quickly, but no different to any other star trek episode, really. How many from TNG properly surprised you with the outcome?Everyone is a genius coming up with a techno babble solution when walking in halfway through. Over exposition, the mention of WW3 which Mike then went on to describe as if a starship captain wouldn't know.
Doesn't feel 'realistic' either, sloppy little things like the stupid angled rings. And those people have been there for 200 years started in the 2050's, had scientists with them but haven't built a generator or steam engine or anything else. We developed to our current levels in less time than that from zero.
As for the humans on the settlement, they were just a small number relative to the billions that live on planet earth. Its easier for billions with specific skills, and established governments and technology development to come up with technology vs a relatively minuscule group dumped on a planet with no source of power.
smn159 said:
coldel said:
Yes the astroid thing came about very quickly, but no different to any other star trek episode, really. How many from TNG properly surprised you with the outcome?
It's either poorly written or it isn't. Whether or not something else was also poorly written is irrelevent.coldel said:
smn159 said:
coldel said:
Yes the astroid thing came about very quickly, but no different to any other star trek episode, really. How many from TNG properly surprised you with the outcome?
It's either poorly written or it isn't. Whether or not something else was also poorly written is irrelevent.smn159 said:
coldel said:
smn159 said:
coldel said:
Yes the astroid thing came about very quickly, but no different to any other star trek episode, really. How many from TNG properly surprised you with the outcome?
It's either poorly written or it isn't. Whether or not something else was also poorly written is irrelevent.coldel said:
Some of the examples did not stand (as I pointed out how can a handful of people on a strange planet match the technological evolution of billions in a developed world?) and I just gave an opinion that given so many have said its sloppily written as a series in general yet the same writing and story telling has been used many times in the series that are often held up as being much more superior, I contested that comment in itself feels inconsistent.
The fact that many still remember the plots and characters in previous Star Trek material over three decades on says a lot. I wonder if people will look upon this latest 'brave' version thirty years from now..chris watton said:
The fact that many still remember the plots and characters in previous Star Trek material over three decades on says a lot. I wonder if people will look upon this latest 'brave' version thirty years from now..
Fair shout. Although I remember racing home from work, sitting at the TV watching it 'live' and it was one of four or five programmes I watched that week. Nowadays our brains are in overload with so much content, I often forget even the best programmes six months later and need a lot of review before moving into the next series. I think most of us have also re-watched various series over and over as well. I wonder how much we would recall of episodes having only watched them once 30 years ago.Edited by coldel on Friday 25th January 17:38
Bullett said:
It feels very sloppily written. Inconsistent actions and stupid behaviour, without the focus of war they are struggling with a direction. They set up a mystery and then almost immediately take that away. We all knew the signals were related to Spock as it was in the Ad, the odd Ensign, could have hung around for a bit before Tilly realised something was weird. It's pretty clear they are being led down a path, save the ship, pick up the rock, use the rock to fix the gravity issue on the planet.
Everyone is a genius coming up with a techno babble solution when walking in halfway through. Over exposition, the mention of WW3 which Mike then went on to describe as if a starship captain wouldn't know.
Doesn't feel 'realistic' either, sloppy little things like the stupid angled rings. And those people have been there for 200 years started in the 2050's, had scientists with them but haven't built a generator or steam engine or anything else. We developed to our current levels in less time than that from zero.
'Everyone is a genius coming up with a techno babble solution' - Have you never watched star trek? Actually don't answer that, I'm sure you have far more ST toys than I do.Everyone is a genius coming up with a techno babble solution when walking in halfway through. Over exposition, the mention of WW3 which Mike then went on to describe as if a starship captain wouldn't know.
Doesn't feel 'realistic' either, sloppy little things like the stupid angled rings. And those people have been there for 200 years started in the 2050's, had scientists with them but haven't built a generator or steam engine or anything else. We developed to our current levels in less time than that from zero.
Enjoying Pike in particular and Saru continues to develop as a character. It's almost as if the Director wanted to bull up the importance of a Number One...
Storyline was great - rather than focusing on why the new population hadn't invented steam power in the past 200 years
, they opted to counter point religion and whether there is life after death vs Spock's internal battle with logic and the question he like all of us cannot answer. All neatly wrapped up into a single episode. All very Star Trek.
Edited by ben5575 on Friday 25th January 21:54
I thought E02 was a brilliant episode, classic Trek with going down to a less advanced society, not revealing themselves, bit of peril, bit of pseudo science, the ‘doing a donut to throw the rock’ was very much like the ‘reconfigure the deflector dish to re-route through the coke machine and we can do xxx’ of TNG and it was great for character development.
However I’ve just got to unsub from this thread, I’d love to come back here and discuss the episodes each week but I can’t be arsed wading through all the utter bulls
t spouted by morons who can’t just enjoy a show. Get out more, you might enjoy it.
However I’ve just got to unsub from this thread, I’d love to come back here and discuss the episodes each week but I can’t be arsed wading through all the utter bulls
t spouted by morons who can’t just enjoy a show. Get out more, you might enjoy it. I do agree with Beefy here - S2E2 was superb, quite moving (but then I'm a soppy git). The problem with this thread is it seems to be engaging in willy waving to prove who knows more about ST 'canon' (seriously who gives a fk about 'canon' - if Spoke turned out to be a transsexual Horta I might raise an eyebrow but as long as it made sense within the context of that series SFW).
I do hope though that we see creatures like the Horta, the Gorn etc (not necessarily those exact ones - not sure that the internet could take the exploding geek's brains!)
k about 'canon' - if Spoke turned out to be a transsexual Horta I might raise an eyebrow but as long as it made sense within the context of that series SFW).I do hope though that we see creatures like the Horta, the Gorn etc (not necessarily those exact ones - not sure that the internet could take the exploding geek's brains!)
irocfan said:
I do agree with Beefy here - S2E2 was superb, quite moving (but then I'm a soppy git). The problem with this thread is it seems to be engaging in willy waving to prove who knows more about ST 'canon' (seriously who gives a fk about 'canon' - if Spoke turned out to be a transsexual Horta I might raise an eyebrow but as long as it made sense within the context of that series SFW).
I do hope though that we see creatures like the Horta, the Gorn etc (not necessarily those exact ones - not sure that the internet could take the exploding geek's brains!)
I thought the “Tardigrade” was very much in the same mould as the Horta. Strange alien bug-monster is perceived as a threat, but turns out it was acting in self defence. Then they figure out how to exploit it. (I seem to remember the miners were happy to let the Horta dig tunnels for them at the end of that episode.)k about 'canon' - if Spoke turned out to be a transsexual Horta I might raise an eyebrow but as long as it made sense within the context of that series SFW).I do hope though that we see creatures like the Horta, the Gorn etc (not necessarily those exact ones - not sure that the internet could take the exploding geek's brains!)
S02E01 now available for free on CBS's YouTube channel (US only, but a VPN also works):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rvMqRrtmkY
A surprising move for such an expensive IP. Given that YouTube is not currently the most STD friendly place, the comments are much as one would expect them to be
A surprising move for such an expensive IP. Given that YouTube is not currently the most STD friendly place, the comments are much as one would expect them to be
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