Star Trek: Discovery - New series on Netflix
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I'm really enjoying it, but it's not Star Trek!
I think I've worked it out: it's a written to the rules of a police procedural:
- over arching plot to drive the series forward? Yup!
- main plot resolved fully within each episode? Most certainly!
- and a sub plot per episode to give the other characters something to do? Well colour me surprised!
I'm glad the Klingons are gone though. They really slowed down the last series...
I think I've worked it out: it's a written to the rules of a police procedural:
- over arching plot to drive the series forward? Yup!
- main plot resolved fully within each episode? Most certainly!
- and a sub plot per episode to give the other characters something to do? Well colour me surprised!
I'm glad the Klingons are gone though. They really slowed down the last series...
dxg said:
I'm really enjoying it, but it's not Star Trek!
I think I've worked it out: it's a written to the rules of a police procedural:
- over arching plot to drive the series forward? Yup!
- main plot resolved fully within each episode? Most certainly!
- and a sub plot per episode to give the other characters something to do? Well colour me surprised!
I'm glad the Klingons are gone though. They really slowed down the last series...
The clip at the end of last week’s show for upcoming episodes showed quite a bit of Klingon stuff and the return of Ash I think I've worked it out: it's a written to the rules of a police procedural:
- over arching plot to drive the series forward? Yup!
- main plot resolved fully within each episode? Most certainly!
- and a sub plot per episode to give the other characters something to do? Well colour me surprised!
I'm glad the Klingons are gone though. They really slowed down the last series...
Hmmm. I wonder if this latest episode was perhaps two seperated ones edited together at a later date.
I was a little uneasy last episode when They worked out that Tilly must have a parasite which infected and is trying to communicate with her. All very smart. Then, without consulting the chain of command, or with any consideration of teh gravity of meeting a whole new life form trying to talk to them, they just whip out the dark matter rock and throw the blob in containment!
Fast forward to this episode and the bridge crew are running around dealing with the Crisis of the Day (again- Saru get's a lot more time to grow. I wonder if he'll be this series Lion without Courage to Data's tin man without a heart. There's a lot of growth in his character idea. If this was DS9 he'd probably end up bailing on Starfleet to lead an armed insurrection in series 5.) whilst Stamitz and droll engineer have been drilling into peoples heads, conducting lightning with technobabble and finally, breifly, talking to a new life form.... and then losing Tilly- all while upstairs the command staff are apparently oblivious to the whole thing.
Like I said, could have been (an many ways was) a decent filler episode, but I wonder if it was not enough for two full episodes so they cut a lot from two and glued them together. There could have been more fun in explaining how universal translation worked, or shining light on Star Trek lore than wasn't really explored and the whole thing felt a bit rushed. EP 02 still the strongest so far for me.
I was a little uneasy last episode when They worked out that Tilly must have a parasite which infected and is trying to communicate with her. All very smart. Then, without consulting the chain of command, or with any consideration of teh gravity of meeting a whole new life form trying to talk to them, they just whip out the dark matter rock and throw the blob in containment!
Fast forward to this episode and the bridge crew are running around dealing with the Crisis of the Day (again- Saru get's a lot more time to grow. I wonder if he'll be this series Lion without Courage to Data's tin man without a heart. There's a lot of growth in his character idea. If this was DS9 he'd probably end up bailing on Starfleet to lead an armed insurrection in series 5.) whilst Stamitz and droll engineer have been drilling into peoples heads, conducting lightning with technobabble and finally, breifly, talking to a new life form.... and then losing Tilly- all while upstairs the command staff are apparently oblivious to the whole thing.
Like I said, could have been (an many ways was) a decent filler episode, but I wonder if it was not enough for two full episodes so they cut a lot from two and glued them together. There could have been more fun in explaining how universal translation worked, or shining light on Star Trek lore than wasn't really explored and the whole thing felt a bit rushed. EP 02 still the strongest so far for me.
I get the feeling that the continuing mycelium storyline was originally a much bigger part of this series until the poor test audience scores came back and the extensive reshoots happened. It does feel like we're watching two different series happening at the same time with hardly any connection between them.
Ep.3 was a complete mess. Ep.4 was slightly better if only for Saru's character development. The giant space ball felt much more like Star Trek of old but it really needed to be the focus of the whole episode to fully develop it; it felt like the writers didn't quite know what to do with the idea once they had it.
Ep.3 was a complete mess. Ep.4 was slightly better if only for Saru's character development. The giant space ball felt much more like Star Trek of old but it really needed to be the focus of the whole episode to fully develop it; it felt like the writers didn't quite know what to do with the idea once they had it.
A good video by Midnight's Edge on the Star Trek rights issues and why STD doesn't line up with canon despite being set in the "prime" timeline: https://youtu.be/ojtX_Oz4WsU
jagnet said:
A good video by Midnight's Edge on the Star Trek rights issues and why STD doesn't line up with canon despite being set in the "prime" timeline: https://youtu.be/ojtX_Oz4WsU
haha! just came here to post that. I watched it on Friday, and I am not a trekkie, but I find stuff like this fascinating.I do lke the original two series and the first 6 films.
CBS come off as totally f
king incompetent. 
Star Trek Discovery: The Prime Deception – CBS and Paramount Viacom Rights Explained
Midnight's Edge Published on 7 Feb 2019
50mins
https://youtu.be/ojtX_Oz4WsU
irocfan said:
I did like E4's explanation of why the enterprise still uses vdu's rather than holograms. Throwaway line but made me smile
There was a throwaway line in this week’ episode where Pike said something about preferring screens, as holograms look like ghosts and he doesn’t like them. jagnet said:
I get the feeling that the continuing mycelium storyline was originally a much bigger part of this series until the poor test audience scores came back and the extensive reshoots happened. It does feel like we're watching two different series happening at the same time with hardly any connection between them.
Ep.3 was a complete mess. Ep.4 was slightly better if only for Saru's character development. The giant space ball felt much more like Star Trek of old but it really needed to be the focus of the whole episode to fully develop it; it felt like the writers didn't quite know what to do with the idea once they had it.
They're (CBS) facing a lawsuit over the Tardigrade plot device so probably want to kill it ASAP before they end up having to pay out even more cash ... https://nerdrotic.com/2019/01/10/star-trek-discove...Ep.3 was a complete mess. Ep.4 was slightly better if only for Saru's character development. The giant space ball felt much more like Star Trek of old but it really needed to be the focus of the whole episode to fully develop it; it felt like the writers didn't quite know what to do with the idea once they had it.
Latest ep (4) was a bit of a mess but better then ep3 which was a disaster. Both suffered from trying to cram too many plotlines into a single episode but ep3's Klingon storyline was just rubbish to boot. They could have done so much more with the giant space ball plot for sure.
jagnet said:
A good video by Midnight's Edge on the Star Trek rights issues and why STD doesn't line up with canon despite being set in the "prime" timeline: https://youtu.be/ojtX_Oz4WsU
Why does anyone care about 50 year old “cannon”. The look of Discovery is spot on, it looks modern. All the old 60’s set designs are old and dated, no one wants to see that again. I’ll remember them via the old shows and movies where they belong. They’ve used a bit of creative license and are asking us to use our imagination, because, you know.. it’s Star Trek. Even if there were no licensing issues a new Star Trek series in the format of what has come before just wouldn’t happen.
sparks_E46 said:
jagnet said:
A good video by Midnight's Edge on the Star Trek rights issues and why STD doesn't line up with canon despite being set in the "prime" timeline: https://youtu.be/ojtX_Oz4WsU
Why does anyone care about 50 year old “cannon”. The look of Discovery is spot on, it looks modern. All the old 60’s set designs are old and dated, no one wants to see that again. I’ll remember them via the old shows and movies where they belong. They’ve used a bit of creative license and are asking us to use our imagination, because, you know.. it’s Star Trek. Even if there were no licensing issues a new Star Trek series in the format of what has come before just wouldn’t happen.
And I don't think it has anything to do with 50 year old sets ffs
It's more about the structure of the fictional universe. The big question being, why bother calling it Star Trek if it isn't. They might as well as called it something else.... Really isn't hard to grasp tbh.
sparks_E46 said:
Why does anyone care about 50 year old “cannon”. The look of Discovery is spot on, it looks modern. All the old 60’s set designs are old and dated, no one wants to see that again. I’ll remember them via the old shows and movies where they belong.
They’ve used a bit of creative license and are asking us to use our imagination, because, you know.. it’s Star Trek. Even if there were no licensing issues a new Star Trek series in the format of what has come before just wouldn’t happen.
Yes reading up on the Canon it seems it has been pushed aside more times than can be remembered to ensure that an episodes point can be made. Its not the over-riding requirement for any of the star trek episodes across many different series.They’ve used a bit of creative license and are asking us to use our imagination, because, you know.. it’s Star Trek. Even if there were no licensing issues a new Star Trek series in the format of what has come before just wouldn’t happen.
I also like the Discovery look and feel, the ship looks older in design but still relevant, it basically looks how I think TOS would have done it given the technology! The only thing I don't like is Engineering, which looks more like a cargo bay, a large open space that serve no purpose being that big.
300bhp/ton said:
sparks_E46 said:
jagnet said:
A good video by Midnight's Edge on the Star Trek rights issues and why STD doesn't line up with canon despite being set in the "prime" timeline: https://youtu.be/ojtX_Oz4WsU
Why does anyone care about 50 year old “cannon”. The look of Discovery is spot on, it looks modern. All the old 60’s set designs are old and dated, no one wants to see that again. I’ll remember them via the old shows and movies where they belong. They’ve used a bit of creative license and are asking us to use our imagination, because, you know.. it’s Star Trek. Even if there were no licensing issues a new Star Trek series in the format of what has come before just wouldn’t happen.
And I don't think it has anything to do with 50 year old sets ffs
It's more about the structure of the fictional universe. The big question being, why bother calling it Star Trek if it isn't. They might as well as called it something else.... Really isn't hard to grasp tbh.
sparks_E46 said:
Is it too hard to look past the discrepancies and appreciate that we are watching new Star Trek on TV in 2019, which quite frankly is astonishing given how many times the franchise has “died”.
No matter how bad it gets we just need to be grateful that we get a new Star Trek? Count me out of that audience demographic please; I'd rather it continued its hiatus than have bad Star Trek. No one expects the sets to be an accurate recreation of those in TOS; Enterprise managed to update the look for a modern audience whilst set 100 years prior to TOS and still remained very much Star Trek with its sense of optimism and excitement at exploring space.
Ignoring for a moment all the issues with canon etc, even from just a simple visual perspective, teal and orange plus added lens flare and crushed blacks may currently be fashionable for the "cinematic" look but it's really not Star Trek and I reckon it'll date very quickly now that we must surely have reached peak teal whereby even orange is struggling to get a look in:
Versus the old days when we used to have colour TVs and the cameramen weren't drunk:
It's no wonder the crew of Discovery look permanently depressed - the space equivalent of seasonal affective disorder?
jagnet said:
sparks_E46 said:
Is it too hard to look past the discrepancies and appreciate that we are watching new Star Trek on TV in 2019, which quite frankly is astonishing given how many times the franchise has “died”.
No matter how bad it gets we just need to be grateful that we get a new Star Trek? Count me out of that audience demographic please; I'd rather it continued its hiatus than have bad Star Trek. No one expects the sets to be an accurate recreation of those in TOS; Enterprise managed to update the look for a modern audience whilst set 100 years prior to TOS and still remained very much Star Trek with its sense of optimism and excitement at exploring space.
Ignoring for a moment all the issues with canon etc, even from just a simple visual perspective, teal and orange plus added lens flare and crushed blacks may currently be fashionable for the "cinematic" look but it's really not Star Trek and I reckon it'll date very quickly now that we must surely have reached peak teal whereby even orange is struggling to get a look in:
Versus the old days when we used to have colour TVs and the cameramen weren't drunk:
It's no wonder the crew of Discovery look permanently depressed - the space equivalent of seasonal affective disorder?
That’s a terrible photoshop of Picard
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