Star Trek: Discovery - New series on Netflix

[chris watton]

I have watched both now and on the whole, I did enjoy it. However, I really want this to be successful, and I feel that in order for to continue for multiple seasons, the producers really need to tone down the blatant SJW bullst. I am not talking about female leads (that's cool with me), I am talking about the fact that the Klingons are clearly a mirror (at least, how the writers see it) on Trump and his supporters.

I have no real love for trump (or Hillary, for that matter, both quite bad), but if Hollywood continues to be so partisan in almost everything it produces, I fear the decline in Hollywood and TV will continue on a downward spiral, and I really want this new STD (!) to continue for a good few years.

[smn159]

To be fair the fat one did look a bit like Trump

[gadgetmac]

The Klingons are an analogy of Trump and his supporters..

They've been about since the 60's

[chris watton]

gadgetmac said:

The Klingons are an analogy of Trump and his supporters..

They've been about since the 60's

I know, but if Hollywood film and TV producers continue to ps off half of their potential audience, what's going to happen to the films and TV we love?

Look what's happened to Marvel comics and the NFL in a very short period of time. They should entertain, not preach.

[gadgetmac]

chris watton said:

gadgetmac said:

The Klingons are an analogy of Trump and his supporters..

They've been about since the 60's

I know, but if Hollywood film and TV producers continue to ps off half of their potential audience, what's going to happen to the films and TV we love?

Look what's happened to Marvel comics and the NFL in a very short period of time. They should entertain, not preach.

They are entertaining.

Its the Klingons.

You're seeing stuff that just isn't there.

[chris watton]

gadgetmac said:

They are entertaining.

Its the Klingons.

You're seeing stuff that just isn't there.

I sincerely wish you were correct, but the producers have openly admitted that the Klingons are based on Trump and his voters.

[gadgetmac]

chris watton said:

gadgetmac said:

They are entertaining.

Its the Klingons.

You're seeing stuff that just isn't there.

I sincerely wish you were correct, but the producers have openly admitted that the Klingons are based on Trump and his voters.

Linky please.

[gadgetmac]

Actually, no need. It's been denied by CBS

http://www.thewrap.com/star-trek-discovery-klingon...

[chris watton]

gadgetmac said:

Linky please.

Can you not do a quick search yourself?

Here's one:

https://nyc.epeak.in/2017/09/09/new-star-trek-tv-s...

The point I was trying to make is this, if Hollywood film and TV producers continue down this path of demonising half of their potential viewers (whether right or left-leaning), they may well end up virtue-signalling themselves of existence as rating drop.

I want STD (!) to continue for 7 seasons, not 4 like Enterprise (which I also like,, have the BR box sets for all ST series)

[smn159]

chris watton said:

Can you not do a quick search yourself?

Here's one:

https://nyc.epeak.in/2017/09/09/new-star-trek-tv-s...

So an out of context quote by a junior member of the production crew?

Some people are trying hard to find some 'offence' here...

[chris watton]

smn159 said:

So an out of context quote by a junior member of the production crew?

Some people are trying hard to find some 'offence' here...

This is strange, I looked only three days ago, and the quote come directly from the actual producers of the show, which seem to have now gone missing 9or broken links) on the net searches.

I am not sure if there's a genuine mistake or possible damage limitation in the light of the NFL backlash that wasn't expected. the quote was definitely from the actual producer, though.

[Guvernator]

Sorry I must be really dense because I really didn't see any connection between the Klingons and Trump.

Or maybe as others have stated it isnt there at all. People seem to want to try really hard to look for things to be offended at, very bizarre.

[anonymous-user]

The series addresses identity politics, and liberal imperialism, amongst other things. It is not about Trump.

[chris watton]

Breadvan72 said:

The series addresses identity politics, and liberal imperialism, amongst other things. It is not about Trump.

Sigh. OK, this is the last post I do relating to this political matter.

I had stated that I raised this issue because I had read about it, pretending it's not about Trump is denial:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/star-trek-discovery-...

one article from many that took less than 5 seconds to search said:

Aaron Haberts, a co-executive producer on the show, told the outlet that Donald Trump's candidacy was "front and center in our minds" when they started putting the series together in 2015.

star trek discovery
A Klingon on "Star Trek: Discovery."CBS

Haberts said one of the antagonist groups on "Star Trek: Discovery" is an extremist Klingon sect, whose rallying cry, "Remain Klingon," the show made intentionally similar to Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan.

Also, as I have already stated, I love Star trek and I want it to be very popular. It won't be if they make episodes too SJW-ish, and if it doesn't get the ratings, it'll be canned and we all lose out. I understand that Star trek has always dealt with current issues of the time, usually very cleverly, but this was like a metaphorical sledgehammer. I'm not too into politics and even I seen through it!

[gadgetmac]

And here is CBS denying it has anything to do with Trump

http://www.thewrap.com/star-trek-discovery-klingon...

[anonymous-user]

The issue of identity politics is wider than the issue of Trump, although Trump taps into identity politics in an effective manner. Also, can you "oh noes! leeeeeeebrals!" lot please knock it off with the SJW thing? What next? MSM? Metro elite?

[Butter Face]

So anyway, when’s the next episode available?

[gadgetmac]

Tomorrow.

[clonmult]

chris watton said:

smn159 said:

So an out of context quote by a junior member of the production crew?

Some people are trying hard to find some 'offence' here...

This is strange, I looked only three days ago, and the quote come directly from the actual producers of the show, which seem to have now gone missing 9or broken links) on the net searches.

I am not sure if there's a genuine mistake or possible damage limitation in the light of the NFL backlash that wasn't expected. the quote was definitely from the actual producer, though.

The Klingons as they're currently portrayed are clearly based on the way Klingons have always been. Clearly nothing to do with Trump at all.

Enjoyed the first two episodes; won't be able to watch the next until tomorrow evening.

[LordGrover]

I've not received the memo about every third post having to contain the word canon; but the word's canon - not cannon.

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I've been looking forward to this for a while and not disappointed.
Clearly, there are a few things that they need to work out - but overall quite watchable. It usually takes a season or two before everything hangs together properly.
I'll be watching tonight's episode anyway.