Marvel's Black Panther
Discussion
JagLover said:
I don't trust "professional critics" anymore and only really put my faith in people like the RLM guys.
There is nothing now but hype pre every single movie release, in the hope of getting a big weekend before the truth comes out. Identity politics and shaming are just new advertising angles. Rather depressingly it's not much better here on PH where allegedly real people are giving their honest opinions.Black Panther was "meh" with lip stretchers.
JagLover said:
Blade has been mentioned on this thread.
Parallels between the two movies, both black super heroes in a genre dominated by white superheroes.
Who here, who has seen both, would argue that Black Panther was better than the first Blade movie?
Blade for me had much richer world building and more compelling action scenes. To my knowledge Blade isn't being taught in schools
got to be honest it'd be interesting to see Blade with the same SFX as BP - and I do agree that it was a real good filmParallels between the two movies, both black super heroes in a genre dominated by white superheroes.
Who here, who has seen both, would argue that Black Panther was better than the first Blade movie?
Blade for me had much richer world building and more compelling action scenes. To my knowledge Blade isn't being taught in schools
irocfan said:
JagLover said:
Blade has been mentioned on this thread.
Parallels between the two movies, both black super heroes in a genre dominated by white superheroes.
Who here, who has seen both, would argue that Black Panther was better than the first Blade movie?
Blade for me had much richer world building and more compelling action scenes. To my knowledge Blade isn't being taught in schools
got to be honest it'd be interesting to see Blade with the same SFX as BP - and I do agree that it was a real good filmParallels between the two movies, both black super heroes in a genre dominated by white superheroes.
Who here, who has seen both, would argue that Black Panther was better than the first Blade movie?
Blade for me had much richer world building and more compelling action scenes. To my knowledge Blade isn't being taught in schools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz9w1x8P-OA
grumbledoak said:
Black Panther was "meh" with lip stretchers.
It was full of that sort of little stereotype view of what Africa is like, culled from the pages of National Geographic. Maybe people got so swept up in the utopian bits they didn't notice how much of it was an offensively bad caricature.
JagLover said:
Blade has been mentioned on this thread.
Parallels between the two movies, both black super heroes in a genre dominated by white superheroes.
Who here, who has seen both, would argue that Black Panther was better than the first Blade movie?
Blade for me had much richer world building and more compelling action scenes. To my knowledge Blade isn't being taught in schools
That’s the thing with social and cultural phenomenons though isn’t it? It’s not just about what the best example of something is - it’s about timing and awareness too. Parallels between the two movies, both black super heroes in a genre dominated by white superheroes.
Who here, who has seen both, would argue that Black Panther was better than the first Blade movie?
Blade for me had much richer world building and more compelling action scenes. To my knowledge Blade isn't being taught in schools
As a cultural phenomenon Black Panther did something Blade didn’t, Wonder Woman did something Alien didn’t. That’s not a criticism of those movies as movies, nor does it diminish their value.
I would not be surprised it interest in Blade and Alien has gone up off the back of Black Panther and Wonder Woman as these comparisons are drawn infront of a generation who were perhaps unaware of those films until now.
gregs656 said:
As a cultural phenomenon Black Panther did something Blade didn’t..........
Other than just happen to come out at a time when SJWism is seemingly at an all time high, and was marketed to take full advantage of that.......what else did it actually do?There have been movies with black leads, movies with primarily black casts and black superheroes going back years. Black Panther was hardly breaking new ground in any of these regards.
It was a decent movie - but to claim it represented some sort of social paradigm shift just because Hollywood blew their collective load is rather overstretching it somewhat. Lest we forget, we saw similar levels of gushing over Ghostbusters 2016......and what that represented for women.
zygalski said:
There's very little for us white middle aged blokes to relate to these days. I think we need to come up with something to redress the balance & fight the oppression.
I don't think I have seen anyone criticise Black Panther because they can't relate to a movie with a predominantly black cast.....I went to see it at the cinema, and quite enjoyed it. I bought it on blu-ray last week and enjoyed it on second viewing. It's a decent movie and a worthy addition to the MCU.
What I don't agree with is that it represents some sort of social paradigm shift.
Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 22 June 05:51
Halb said:
repeat viewings definitely give a leader picture. After three attempts, THor2 wasn't abysmal.
Avengers 2 was better than I thought, Captain America 1 was much better than I originally thought. Thor1 was more boring, Iron-Man2 was much better.
You watched Thor 2 three times? Avengers 2 was better than I thought, Captain America 1 was much better than I originally thought. Thor1 was more boring, Iron-Man2 was much better.
I am not really a massive Marvel fan as all their movies are rather predictable and formulaic and filled with inconsequential action with an invulnerable protagonist.
The better ones are still entertaining though and when they break the mold a bit, like with winter soldier or Ragnarok they can be very good.
Moonhawk said:
JagLover said:
You watched Thor 2 three times?
I have seen it a handful of times as we do a run through of the entire MCU in order every couple of years.It's probably the weakest movie of the MCU - but not unwatchable. Has some funny moments.
The wife and I watched Black Panther over the weekend as we missed it at the cinema. Very much enjoyed it, yes it was very much the same as the other origins movies of characters, but that's to be expected in the MCU now.
JagLover said:
You watched Thor 2 three times?
I am not really a massive Marvel fan as all their movies are rather predictable and formulaic and filled with inconsequential action with an invulnerable protagonist.
Three attempts, three attempts! I gave up roughly at the 10-15 minute mark the first two. I forced myself to watch the third time it was on telly, as it's the only one I hadn't seen (excepting BP). It does get marginally better as it goes on, it is predictable. How ever I disagree that all the mcu movies are predictable, some follow the same path, others are fairly different.I am not really a massive Marvel fan as all their movies are rather predictable and formulaic and filled with inconsequential action with an invulnerable protagonist.
Halb said:
JagLover said:
You watched Thor 2 three times?
I am not really a massive Marvel fan as all their movies are rather predictable and formulaic and filled with inconsequential action with an invulnerable protagonist.
Three attempts, three attempts! I gave up roughly at the 10-15 minute mark the first two. I forced myself to watch the third time it was on telly, as it's the only one I hadn't seen (excepting BP). It does get marginally better as it goes on, it is predictable. How ever I disagree that all the mcu movies are predictable, some follow the same path, others are fairly different.I am not really a massive Marvel fan as all their movies are rather predictable and formulaic and filled with inconsequential action with an invulnerable protagonist.
Most MCU movies are OK, some are very good, are there any that are great?. It is like the McDonalds of film making. OK basic plot, decent acting, reasonable effects and action, a pleasant way to spend two hours.
Which really brings us back to Black Panther. There is nothing particularly wrong with it and I can think of at least five MCU movies which were worse, but from the critics reviews you would be expecting a new Terminator 2 or Matrix and it just isn’t in the same league as great action movies of the past.
They have the money to spend so the basic problem is with the writing. I can think of a number of ways the script could have been improved with little effort, while keeping the same central conflict.
JagLover said:
Don’t get me wrong I don’t usually dislike MCU movies in fact I would say they are the best of the modern “franchise movies”, better than Pirates, Transformers, Fast & Furious, DC and (now) Star Wars. But that isn’t saying much as most of those franchises are very poor.
Most MCU movies are OK, some are very good, are there any that are great?. It is like the McDonalds of film making. OK basic plot, decent acting, reasonable effects and action, a pleasant way to spend two hours.
Which really brings us back to Black Panther. There is nothing particularly wrong with it and I can think of at least five MCU movies which were worse, but from the critics reviews you would be expecting a new Terminator 2 or Matrix and it just isn’t in the same league as great action movies of the past.
They have the money to spend so the basic problem is with the writing. I can think of a number of ways the script could have been improved with little effort, while keeping the same central conflict.
Yeah, the MCU can turn out mediocre films, I have a feeling in the early days, they were scared and then they became careful and too focussed on the bigger picture. I get the feeling that they are loosening up a bit, being so damn successful can do that.Most MCU movies are OK, some are very good, are there any that are great?. It is like the McDonalds of film making. OK basic plot, decent acting, reasonable effects and action, a pleasant way to spend two hours.
Which really brings us back to Black Panther. There is nothing particularly wrong with it and I can think of at least five MCU movies which were worse, but from the critics reviews you would be expecting a new Terminator 2 or Matrix and it just isn’t in the same league as great action movies of the past.
They have the money to spend so the basic problem is with the writing. I can think of a number of ways the script could have been improved with little effort, while keeping the same central conflict.
For action films, I think the 80's were exceptional, like the 70s for conspiracy dark films.
As for 'great', this is tough. Genuinely, I'm not sure, I'll know in ten years.
This week i watched Ghostbusters, and I actually noticed stuff I've not seen before, certain looks the actors give on somebody else's line..it's so damn good, and I've seen it too many times to count. I still can't believe there's some blert in another thread that says the new one is better.
ANyhoo, I love the GotG films and I'd bet they will still be watchable in 10 years, I also reckon Iron-Man will last, as I watched that recently and it was still brilliant. Yes, WInter SOlider too, Avengers 1 and First Avenger. Quality directors, quality acting. I think all of these are in with a shout at 'greatness.' They are the ones I know I can watch again. That I want to.
zygalski said:
There's very little for us white middle aged blokes to relate to these days. I think we need to come up with something to redress the balance & fight the oppression.
Gammonforce: Stormfront Rising would be a decent working title.
Ironman? Dr Strange? I don't think the MCU has oppressed you too much.Gammonforce: Stormfront Rising would be a decent working title.
Coloniser! (Sorry, couldn’t resist it.)
Edited by SpudLink on Friday 22 June 11:52
zygalski said:
There's very little for us white middle aged blokes to relate to these days. I think we need to come up with something to redress the balance & fight the oppression.
Gammonforce: Stormfront Rising would be a decent working title.
And our resident baizuo has splashed down. May the frothing begin Gammonforce: Stormfront Rising would be a decent working title.
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