Marvel's Black Panther
Discussion
Saw Black Panther on Sunday, I found it slow paced and not very memorable, but it was competently put together, and I found the Marvel Spiderman film had exactly the same problem. Neither took any risks and neither stood out from the crowded pack of super hero films. However neither is a bad film (plenty are far worse), just very bland and average with Marvell playing it safe.
The last good superhero movie was Logan, and that's only because contracts were finishing and they could afford to take risks. I bet when the current batch of contracts are ending that Marvel will start to take similar risks and break from the formulaic nonsense (hero up against his evil double, hero vs alien thing, hero vs hero....)
Tony Starks said:
Like most films nowadays the critics don't want to upset the studios or run the risk of being called misogynist or racist by the media.
Welcome to PH 
To disagree with me makes you an oversensitive lefty snowflake! 
I am off to see it on Saturday. The trailer looks ok but nothing motr - keeping an open mind
Edited by Vocal Minority on Tuesday 20th February 12:35
confucuis said:
I really like Blank Panther in Civil War, thought he and the idea of a King who's a superhero really cool. But I felt he lost some of that in this and I found it quite forgettable really!
Agreed, we had high hopes for the film based on his introduction. We all came out thinking it was one of the weakest films of the MCU. Mushroom12 said:
The last good superhero movie was Logan, and that's only because contracts were finishing and they could afford to take risks. I bet when the current batch of contracts are ending that Marvel will start to take similar risks and break from the formulaic nonsense (hero up against his evil double, hero vs alien thing, hero vs hero....)
Logan was absolutely fantastic and is apparently a completely legit part of the X-Men movie continuity too. Hard to believe that the awful Apocalypse is part of that.Marvel films tend to be a lot more cartoon-y (well, they are about comic books) but The Winter Soldier was brilliant, managing to combine a thought-provoking political thriller with a great action movie. I quite liked the offbeat Guardians of the Galaxy too - just a fun and entertaining piece of fluff.
Halb said:
I do the same, I stand back and check. I don't use other sites, I read the posts of people on here from the film thread whose opinion I rate. 
The funny thing is, the PH consensus is often a pretty darn long way off the general public consensus in much the same way as the critics can be, just in the other direction. The least forgiving audience metric for The Last Jedi still had the film at around 50% liked, yet here you were chased off with pitch forks for daring to suggest you actually liked it. Black Panther (A+ cinemascore) is at worst sitting at 77% from audience reviews, yet it's been panned virtually across the board here.Either way it doesn't really matter, I can't think of another film that started on $100m US opening weekend estimates that is now looking closer to $240m (and seemingly being revised upwards every hour).
Somebody said this film would be forgotten within a week but I can't see that myself, particularly in the US where it's a genuine cultural event.
ukaskew said:
The funny thing is, the PH consensus is often a pretty darn long way off the general public consensus in much the same way as the critics can be, just in the other direction. The least forgiving audience metric for The Last Jedi still had the film at around 50% liked, yet here you were chased off with pitch forks for daring to suggest you actually liked it. Black Panther (A+ cinemascore) is at worst sitting at 77% from audience reviews, yet it's been panned virtually across the board here.
Either way it doesn't really matter, I can't think of another film that started on $100m US opening weekend estimates that is now looking closer to $240m (and seemingly being revised upwards every hour).
Somebody said this film would be forgotten within a week but I can't see that myself, particularly in the US where it's a genuine cultural event.
I wouldn't say 'panned', some found it decent, others merely good (like myself) and some have said they didn't like it.Either way it doesn't really matter, I can't think of another film that started on $100m US opening weekend estimates that is now looking closer to $240m (and seemingly being revised upwards every hour).
Somebody said this film would be forgotten within a week but I can't see that myself, particularly in the US where it's a genuine cultural event.
ukaskew said:
The funny thing is, the PH consensus is often a pretty darn long way off the general public consensus in much the same way as the critics can be, just in the other direction. The least forgiving audience metric for The Last Jedi still had the film at around 50% liked, yet here you were chased off with pitch forks for daring to suggest you actually liked it. Black Panther (A+ cinemascore) is at worst sitting at 77% from audience reviews, yet it's been panned virtually across the board
That’s why I typed ‘posters whose opinion I rate.’ After talking about films for around ten years on here. I roughly know who has the same tastes as me MissChief said:
ukaskew said:
The funny thing is, the PH consensus is often a pretty darn long way off the general public consensus in much the same way as the critics can be, just in the other direction. The least forgiving audience metric for The Last Jedi still had the film at around 50% liked, yet here you were chased off with pitch forks for daring to suggest you actually liked it. Black Panther (A+ cinemascore) is at worst sitting at 77% from audience reviews, yet it's been panned virtually across the board here.
Either way it doesn't really matter, I can't think of another film that started on $100m US opening weekend estimates that is now looking closer to $240m (and seemingly being revised upwards every hour).
Somebody said this film would be forgotten within a week but I can't see that myself, particularly in the US where it's a genuine cultural event.
I wouldn't say 'panned', some found it decent, others merely good (like myself) and some have said they didn't like it.Either way it doesn't really matter, I can't think of another film that started on $100m US opening weekend estimates that is now looking closer to $240m (and seemingly being revised upwards every hour).
Somebody said this film would be forgotten within a week but I can't see that myself, particularly in the US where it's a genuine cultural event.
After release, and the real votes started coming in, it currently sits at 7.9/10.
No, it wasn't the best Marvel movie ever. Yes, there were many things that could have been done better. I do think that perhaps if some people gave it a second watch they may like, or hate, it more than they currently do after one showing.
SystemParanoia said:
Mushroom12 said:
Yea because up until last year there has never been a successful movie with a strong female or black lead.
Not enough of them.. Hence why even my nan has made sure she came to see it. And I don't think she's ever been to the cinema before!I don't think.you understand how big this film is to the black community
Perhaps you are too westernised?
PS successful films with strong black or female leads
Shaft
Blade
Hancock
Equaliser
Django
Alien franchise
Tomb Raider
Kill Bill
Terminator
Juno
Erin Brockvitch
stew-STR160 said:
I know it's not an entirely accurate gauge, but prior to release dates, IMDB was showing Black Panther around the mid 5-6 mark out of ten...prior to release. About 10,000 votes if I remember correctly.
After release, and the real votes started coming in, it currently sits at 7.9/10.
And we again have the nonsense about critics being paid off or frightened into good reviews. I'd understand that in a school playground or Youtube comments section, but here?! If anyone really believes that Disney have any leverage over Mark Kermode (who is more than happy to pay to go and see a film to review it, as his reviews are often live after or on release day anyway), or even Simon Mayo and Edith Bowman, then I'd love to know more about how that works practically.After release, and the real votes started coming in, it currently sits at 7.9/10.
ukaskew said:
And we again have the nonsense about critics being paid off or frightened into good reviews. I'd understand that in a school playground or Youtube comments section, but here?! If anyone really believes that Disney have any leverage over Mark Kermode (who is more than happy to pay to go and see a film to review it, as his reviews are often live after or on release day anyway), or even Simon Mayo and Edith Bowman, then I'd love to know more about how that works practically.
Yeah I don't believe that either. I do wonder if they get wrapped up in the industry "vibe" a little too much, and struggle to see "big" films as an outsider will. I want 120 minutes or so of something entertaining. I don't necessarily want it to be culturally relevant, or have to research the premise of the film, before I arrive.I'm: Bum on seat. Entertain me. We're done here, see you next week.
They're: I know what films are coming out when, I spend all week talking about films, I know the history of the people making the films, I know how this fits in with other films in a franchise and the films yet to come. Etc etc.
So the chance of myself and a critic, seeing the same film, even if we were side by side, has to be slim.
ukaskew said:
stew-STR160 said:
I know it's not an entirely accurate gauge, but prior to release dates, IMDB was showing Black Panther around the mid 5-6 mark out of ten...prior to release. About 10,000 votes if I remember correctly.
After release, and the real votes started coming in, it currently sits at 7.9/10.
And we again have the nonsense about critics being paid off or frightened into good reviews. I'd understand that in a school playground or Youtube comments section, but here?! If anyone really believes that Disney have any leverage over Mark Kermode (who is more than happy to pay to go and see a film to review it, as his reviews are often live after or on release day anyway), or even Simon Mayo and Edith Bowman, then I'd love to know more about how that works practically.After release, and the real votes started coming in, it currently sits at 7.9/10.
Disney for example blacklisted the LA times from advanced screenings because of a piece on Disneyworld as recent as 2017 and leveraged the management into taking action.
voyds9 said:
PS successful films with strong black or female leads
Shaft
Blade
Hancock
Equaliser
Django
Alien franchise
Tomb Raider
Kill Bill
Terminator
Juno
Erin Brockvitch
Some other well known or successful movies/franchises.Shaft
Blade
Hancock
Equaliser
Django
Alien franchise
Tomb Raider
Kill Bill
Terminator
Juno
Erin Brockvitch
Bad boys
Rush hour
Beverly hills cop
Hunger games
Twilight
Wonder woman
Independence day
Maleficent
Gravity
Many disney movies (like Frozen, Moana, Tangled etc)
Mama mia
I thought it was borderline racist. The first white guys we saw were dumb security guards in the museum, spoken to like fools by an arrogant black man and easily overpowered.Then there was the 'white boy' comment.
Also, couldn't they cast an American to play an American CIA agent? They cast Martin Freeman acting with an american accent - really?
Also, couldn't they cast an American to play an American CIA agent? They cast Martin Freeman acting with an american accent - really?
ukaskew said:
The funny thing is, the PH consensus is often a pretty darn long way off the general public consensus in much the same way as the critics can be, just in the other direction. The least forgiving audience metric for The Last Jedi still had the film at around 50% liked, yet here you were chased off with pitch forks for daring to suggest you actually liked it. Black Panther (A+ cinemascore) is at worst sitting at 77% from audience reviews, yet it's been panned virtually across the board here.
Either way it doesn't really matter, I can't think of another film that started on $100m US opening weekend estimates that is now looking closer to $240m (and seemingly being revised upwards every hour).
Somebody said this film would be forgotten within a week but I can't see that myself, particularly in the US where it's a genuine cultural event.
The film isn't by and large being panned here - just honestly appraised as a generally so-so Marvel film, decent but not the greatest cinematic event of all time as the overwhelming mass of media and prominent internet critics would have you believe.Either way it doesn't really matter, I can't think of another film that started on $100m US opening weekend estimates that is now looking closer to $240m (and seemingly being revised upwards every hour).
Somebody said this film would be forgotten within a week but I can't see that myself, particularly in the US where it's a genuine cultural event.
It's a sad day when political correctness and virtue signaling makes its way into movie reviews but sadly it has infected every part of the media it would seem.
Lucas Ayde said:
ukaskew said:
The funny thing is, the PH consensus is often a pretty darn long way off the general public consensus in much the same way as the critics can be, just in the other direction. The least forgiving audience metric for The Last Jedi still had the film at around 50% liked, yet here you were chased off with pitch forks for daring to suggest you actually liked it. Black Panther (A+ cinemascore) is at worst sitting at 77% from audience reviews, yet it's been panned virtually across the board here.
Either way it doesn't really matter, I can't think of another film that started on $100m US opening weekend estimates that is now looking closer to $240m (and seemingly being revised upwards every hour).
Somebody said this film would be forgotten within a week but I can't see that myself, particularly in the US where it's a genuine cultural event.
The film isn't by and large being panned here - just honestly appraised as a generally so-so Marvel film, decent but not the greatest cinematic event of all time as the overwhelming mass of media and prominent internet critics would have you believe.Either way it doesn't really matter, I can't think of another film that started on $100m US opening weekend estimates that is now looking closer to $240m (and seemingly being revised upwards every hour).
Somebody said this film would be forgotten within a week but I can't see that myself, particularly in the US where it's a genuine cultural event.
It's a sad day when political correctness and virtue signaling makes its way into movie reviews but sadly it has infected every part of the media it would seem.
Moonhawk said:
voyds9 said:
PS successful films with strong black or female leads
Shaft
Blade
Hancock
Equaliser
Django
Alien franchise
Tomb Raider
Kill Bill
Terminator
Juno
Erin Brockvitch
Some other well known or successful movies/franchises.Shaft
Blade
Hancock
Equaliser
Django
Alien franchise
Tomb Raider
Kill Bill
Terminator
Juno
Erin Brockvitch
Bad boys
Rush hour
Beverly hills cop
Hunger games
Twilight
Wonder woman
Independence day
Maleficent
Gravity
Many disney movies (like Frozen, Moana, Tangled etc)
Mama mia
The New King Kong
Burning Sands
The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks
The Dark tower
The Hitman's Bodyguard
Independence Day
Kidnap
Ride Along
Central Intelligence
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