BBC to Reveal Stars Earnings

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The Surveyor

7,576 posts

238 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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hyphen said:
Peter Capaldi £225k confused Lead actor for Dr Who,a show sold worldwide gets this.....
I wonder if Jodie Whittaker knew this when she was negotiating her pay?

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Yipper said:
For Central London -- one of the most expensive places on Earth, and West London, the richest place on Earth, where the BBC is located -- most of their salaries are actually not that high.
No reason for stars of Radio shows to be in London though, and isn't a lot of TV now in Salford and other parts.

Yipper said:
In a very fickle entertainment industry, where your income can drop to zero overnight on the whim of fashion or a stroppy producer, making under £500k is not really a very good salary.
There are lots of other fickle industries that don't pay near.

Yipper said:
Someone like Dr Who, Peter Capaldi, making ~£250k for one of the world's "big 3" sci-fi TV shows is a bit of an embarrassment. He probably doesn't make much more than Schmee150 and his niche YouTube / Insta channels.
Does seem low, but then it is worldwide fame meaning parts for life.

Yipper said:
Chris Evans runs the biggest one-man radio show in Europe and the 6th biggest in the world, for dozens of hours a week, so he has some justification for his ~£2m salary.
How much many viewers does Chris Moyles now bring in? It is not about the star, it is about the show. Listeners tend to stay with the show when the presenter leaves.

BBC dominates radio due to public sector money. Commercial constraints on radio makes it harder.

Yipper said:
Gary Lineker does just a few hours on UK and Worldwide BBC, regurgitating mostly what can be found on the back page of The Sun, so has is very overpaid at ~£2m.
He may be donating a lot of that to the economic refugees he cares so much about, in between the Daily mail snaps of his luxurious life.

Zoon

6,710 posts

122 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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chow pan toon said:
Watching live in this day and age is an individual choice, watch on catchup if you object strongly to the licence fee.
You need a licence to watch BBC on catchup.

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Disastrous said:
Doesn't really work like that in entertainment though.

1. They don't only work when broadcasting
2. It's their job so if you want someone to read the news for an hour a day, you need to pay them a full time salary for that. It'd be a bit ridiculous if they got paid by the hour, no?
Accepted you have to pay them for hours inbetween the actual broadcasts and unsociable hours but wouldnt there be plenty of people willing for salary/10?

chow pan toon

12,387 posts

238 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Zoon said:
chow pan toon said:
Watching live in this day and age is an individual choice, watch on catchup if you object strongly to the licence fee.
You need a licence to watch BBC on catchup.
I was replying to a poster moaning about paying a licence fee to watch ITV live. I would assume that any good PHer whingeing about the licence fee wouldn't be seen dead watching or listening to the evil, biased, lefty illiberal BBC.

Yipper

5,964 posts

91 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Disastrous said:
hyphen said:
They should have also published hours worked, as the hourly wage for some will be staggering.
Doesn't really work like that in entertainment though.

1. They don't only work when broadcasting
2. It's their job so if you want someone to read the news for an hour a day, you need to pay them a full time salary for that. It'd be a bit ridiculous if they got paid by the hour, no?
Pay per viewer per episode (PPV PE) is one metric (of several) that can be used.

Gary Lineker = paid ~50p per viewer (UK).
Chris Evans = paid ~25p per listener (UK).
Peter Capaldi (Dr Who) = paid ~5p per viewer (UK).

Disastrous

10,088 posts

218 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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saaby93 said:
Disastrous said:
Doesn't really work like that in entertainment though.

1. They don't only work when broadcasting
2. It's their job so if you want someone to read the news for an hour a day, you need to pay them a full time salary for that. It'd be a bit ridiculous if they got paid by the hour, no?
Accepted you have to pay them for hours inbetween the actual broadcasts and unsociable hours but wouldnt there be plenty of people willing for salary/10?
Depends who's I guess!

In all honesty, I don't think £200k to read the news every day is that appealing. Especially when you factor in living in London etc etc. Certainly not what I would think of as 'showbiz money'.

So I wouldn't do that for £20k a year - no way! For the top earners, then yeah, I guess I'd present Top Gear for a few hundred thousand but don't forget it would be a full time and then some job, away from the family a lot and so on.

For me the disparity is the worst part. People doing similar jobs ought to be paid similarly. Also, what does Feltz even do??

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

101 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Important to realise how some of these people are likely to appear on both the BBC payroll (which we have the list for) but will also have an income from BBC Worldwide (not shown on the list)

So for example, Peter Capaldi might get his £225k for Doctor Who in the UK, but he might also get a chunk of the cash that is made from selling the show abroad as well to bump that salary right up...

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Yipper said:
Disastrous said:
hyphen said:
They should have also published hours worked, as the hourly wage for some will be staggering.
Doesn't really work like that in entertainment though.

1. They don't only work when broadcasting
2. It's their job so if you want someone to read the news for an hour a day, you need to pay them a full time salary for that. It'd be a bit ridiculous if they got paid by the hour, no?
Pay per viewer per episode (PPV PE) is one metric (of several) that can be used.

Gary Lineker = paid ~50p per viewer (UK).
Chris Evans = paid ~25p per listener (UK).
Peter Capaldi (Dr Who) = paid ~5p per viewer (UK).
Which clearly would be incorrect and inappropriate. Most people who watch Motd, would tune in anyway either due to it having the rights, or for the lack of adverts. If you could show the additional viewers tuning in only due to Linekar then that would be interesting.

This bloke for example found it out the hard way.




Edited by hyphen on Wednesday 19th July 13:04

superlightr

12,856 posts

264 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Shakermaker said:
Important to realise how some of these people are likely to appear on both the BBC payroll (which we have the list for) but will also have an income from BBC Worldwide (not shown on the list)

So for example, Peter Capaldi might get his £225k for Doctor Who in the UK, but he might also get a chunk of the cash that is made from selling the show abroad as well to bump that salary right up...
if they are employees then they will also be getting a pension. Whats the pension worth as well?


JuniorD

8,628 posts

224 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Laura Kuenssberg never seems to stop working, like she's on 24 hour duty. She is definitely underpaid relative some of the folk who sit reading the autocue or talking st

Dazed and Confused

979 posts

83 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Surprised PH isn't getting angry about Chris Harris not being in the top 150.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

220 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Yipper said:
For Central London -- one of the most expensive places on Earth, and West London, the richest place on Earth, where the BBC is located -- most of their salaries are actually not that high.
They don't have to live in London though (especially now much of the BBC has relocated a lot of stuff away from London anyway).

Both me and my wife worked in central London a couple of years back. We had to live out in Hertfordshire and commute in as property prices were too high in London itself.

Both of us were earning well below the lowest salaries on this list.

Dazed and Confused

979 posts

83 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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JuniorD said:
Laura Kuenssberg never seems to stop working, like she's on 24 hour duty. She is definitely underpaid relative some of the folk who sit reading the autocue or talking st
Doing important work for the Tory party.

Who said the BBC was biased?

Meridius

1,608 posts

153 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Chris Evans is always on top of this list the smarmy wkstain, I cant say I have ever heard anyone say they actually like Chris Evans at all so how does he stay where he is? He has the BBC Breakfast show so people are listening in the morning when they get ready for work, in the car commuting etc, its pretty much listener numbers by default.

p1stonhead

25,576 posts

168 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Dazed and Confused said:
Surprised PH isn't getting angry about Chris Harris not being in the top 150.
Im guessing he isnt directly employed? Isnt that what the list is?

Same as Matt Le Blanc? Im sure they both have companies they work under?

ukaskew

10,642 posts

222 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Interesting that Chris Evans is generating the headlines more so than Lineker.

As far as I can tell Lineker is doing less than a days work per week for the Beeb, and the majority of that on a show that presumably would be watched by 99.9% of the audience if it didn't have a presenting team at all.

Evans is on the radio 5 days per week presenting one of the most listened to radio shows in the world (which must require a fair bit of time outside of actual broadcasting hours) AND presenting Top Gear (again, a shed load of hours not seen on screen).


droopsnoot

11,973 posts

243 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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hyphen said:
How many viewers does Chris Moyles now bring in? It is not about the star, it is about the show. Listeners tend to stay with the show when the presenter leaves.
Might be different if he was on a national network, though - I'd have stuck with him if I could get a signal. But you're right about it being the show, and that's why Nick Grimshaw is getting more than some of the other R1 presenters on the list, the breakfast show is seen as a flagship show.



Disastrous

10,088 posts

218 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Meridius said:
Chris Evans is always on top of this list the smarmy wkstain, I cant say I have ever heard anyone say they actually like Chris Evans at all so how does he stay where he is? He has the BBC Breakfast show so people are listening in the morning when they get ready for work, in the car commuting etc, its pretty much listener numbers by default.
It's almost as if there is no off button and no other radio stations to choose from!

The Surveyor

7,576 posts

238 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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ukaskew said:


.....Evans is on the radio 5 days per week presenting one of the most listened to radio shows in the world (which must require a fair bit of time outside of actual broadcasting hours) AND presenting Top Gear (again, a shed load of hours not seen on screen).
Interesting thought on his Top Gear work, will these figures include his time as lead presenter for Top Gear, will it include any severance pay to cancel any future series (if any) which would distort his earnings.. or is his £2.2m just for his radio and 'The One Show' work?

As a benchmark, Jeremy Clarkson apparently earned £14m from Top Gear in 2013.