Avengers 3: Infinity War

[ukaskew]

I guess it was inevitable that we’d have to start spoiler tagging everything pretty quickly to have a meaningful discussion given the nature of the film, so…

Walking out of the cinema I thought, ‘hang on, at least make the last 20 minutes believable by having that happen to the old guard, the ones we thought we’d be losing anyway, as clearly given the financial success of the recent characters (and announcement of sequels) they are never going to bin them that quickly’. However, I quickly then figured they a) knew what they were doing, and b) have had this plan in place for a long time. My guess would be that at least some of Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Black Widow etc will sacrifice everything to revert what Thanos did, it seems very deliberate that all those most likely to be finishing soon were all fine.

I don’t think for a second that they are assuming we will believe all those characters have actually gone. That said, it will be interesting how they manage the marketing for Avengers 4. I guess an almost exclusive focus on those big characters that survived and are probably one their way out in 4.

[Moonhawk]

ukaskew said:

I don’t think for a second that they are assuming we will believe all those characters have actually gone. That said, it will be interesting how they manage the marketing for Avengers 4. I guess an almost exclusive focus on those big characters that survived and are probably one their way out in 4.

Yep - marketing for the next film will be very interesting. I do hope they only show the characters that we know survived - and keep us guessing on the rest. To show any of the 'deceased' characters in the trailers or posters will be a mistake IMO

I think keeping the deceased characters out will actually help the hype

[Bullett]

I'm a bit superhero'd out. Last one I saw was probably Deadpool or Batman v Superman or maybe GoTG2.
Not seen the latest Thor, Spiderman, or Black Panther. They do tend to merge into one.

However the positive feedback is tempting me. (do I need to see any of the above?)
Is this suitable for an 8yo? Advice on imdb is limited. We've watched the last few Star Wars at the cinema (they were 12a) I avoided RP1 because of the fruity language it apparently has.

[ukaskew]

I pretty much do this now anyway but I'll be avoiding as much marketing as possible for Avengers 4. Hard to avoid trailers at the cinema but I won't be actively seeking any content going forward.

Although, given how clever they were with the Infinity War trailer maybe I don't need to worry. I love the sheer audacity of creating a scene that will never have been in any cut of the movie just for a trailer, and that being the main hero moment and image from the marketing

[Moonhawk]

Bullett said:

However the positive feedback is tempting me. (do I need to see any of the above?)

Ragnorok is a definite must see - Black Panther and Spiderman maybe not so much (you'll get the gist with these characters as long as you have seen Civil War).

Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 27th April 12:46

[ukaskew]

Bullett said:

I'm a bit superhero'd out. Last one I saw was probably Deadpool or Batman v Superman or maybe GoTG2.
Not seen the latest Thor, Spiderman, or Black Panther. They do tend to merge into one.

However the positive feedback is tempting me. (do I need to see any of the above?)
Is this suitable for an 8yo? Advice on imdb is limited. We've watched the last few Star Wars at the cinema (they were 12a) I avoided RP1 because of the fruity language it apparently has.

One very mild swear word if I recall correctly. Nothing in the film that would really trouble an 8 year old in my opinion.

Civil War and Ragnarok would probably see you through as long as you have a very vague idea of the history.

[SpudLink]

ukaskew said:

Bullett said:

I'm a bit superhero'd out. Last one I saw was probably Deadpool or Batman v Superman or maybe GoTG2.
Not seen the latest Thor, Spiderman, or Black Panther. They do tend to merge into one.

However the positive feedback is tempting me. (do I need to see any of the above?)
Is this suitable for an 8yo? Advice on imdb is limited. We've watched the last few Star Wars at the cinema (they were 12a) I avoided RP1 because of the fruity language it apparently has.

One very mild swear word if I recall correctly. Nothing in the film that would really trouble an 8 year old in my opinion.

Civil War and Ragnarok would probably see you through as long as you have a very vague idea of the history.

A large part of the film is in a fictional nation with sci-fi technology, which will only make sense if you’ve seen Black Panter.
In my view, if you are “a bit superhero'd out”, going to see Infinity War is not going to be a very rewarding experience. It’s superhero overload for those who can’t get enough.

The BBFC smartphone app is good at giving parental guidance. It includes the full list of swear words, description of the scenes that may be upsetting, etc.

[Moonhawk]

Bullett said:

Is this suitable for an 8yo? Advice on imdb is limited. We've watched the last few Star Wars at the cinema (they were 12a) I avoided RP1 because of the fruity language it apparently has.

TBH - they probably hear far worse at school every day than will ever appear in a 12a movie. Probably knows swear words even you don't know the meaning of

I don't think I had ever heard a swear word until I started school.

[ukaskew]

SpudLink said:

A large part of the film is in a fictional nation with sci-fi technology, which will only make sense if you’ve seen Black Panter.

I think knowing that is pretty much enough though. It doesn't move the general narrative forward like Civil War or have a direct link in to Infinity War like Ragnarok does.

[Moonhawk]

ukaskew said:

I think knowing that is pretty much enough though. It doesn't move the general narrative forward like Civil War or have a direct link in to Infinity War like Ragnarok does.

Yep - just watch the BP trailer, that'll tell you most of what you need to know

Civil war + end credits scenes and Ragnorok + end credit scenes are the critical ones (assuming you have seen all the others).

Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 27th April 13:49

[Halb]

watched it

initilal thoughts, yeah the first few comments I read on it here were accurate,
If you think you know how this is gonna go, you're wrong.
I can only hope (what I see as the more) genuine deaths before the larger events hold.
A person called Bill Bailey was thanked in the credits, man I was desperate for a pee when they rolled, and for me, the payoff...well I was expecting more
the story is very good, they've done well, but this is an event, and this story can only mean what it does thanks to the previous ten years.
thank goodness it doesn't have the light touch of Thor3.
loved The GotG/Asgardian interactions...some jokes out in there because Quinn couldn't make screen weight?
and the new hammer...various shoutouts there to Beta Ray Bill and the Ultimates
I noticed something else in the credits...forget now
so that clip of them all running, Hulk included...is that from IW2 when the stones are reactivated?
also...HUlk...scared?
I guess Thor possessing the odinforce hasn't really been vocalised on screen

and yes, I did manage to call one small thing about the film, well chuffed!

Edited by Halb on Friday 27th April 21:23

[SpudLink]

I agree those killed in battle should be real. Those who died because of the Gauntlet will probably be trapped in the Soul Gem, and they will be released with the help of the Time Gem.
My expectation is either Iron Man or Cap will have to make the ultimate sacrifice to fix everything and destroy the gauntlet. Probably Tony Stark because that would complete his character arc from the selfish arms dealer.


I’m not sure it’s cowardice that’s holding back the Hulk. I thought it might be related to the reason he stayed on the Quinjet at the end of Age of Ultron. Last time he was on Earth he lost control in Africa and people died. Since then he’s been free to let loose as a gladiator in a space coliseum without fear of consequence. Now that he’s back on Earth he can’t trust himself to do more harm than good.

Or he’s a coward.


Also, enjoyed seeing Sam Jackson almost say his trademark expletive.

Edited by SpudLink on Friday 27th April 20:38

Edited by SpudLink on Friday 27th April 21:05

[Moonhawk]

^^ you might want to rethink your spoiler tags

[SpudLink]

Moonhawk said:

^^ you might want to rethink your spoiler tags

Ok. Done.

[Halb]

I think scared/cowardice isn't exactly what I'm getting at, more a fighters reluctance to get back back out there when his unbeaten streak has gone. More fightshy. He needs his mojo back.

SOme more thoughts
I saw or rwad this week that the best bad guys are those who think they're the good guys, and THanos fits that, and yeah, he's one of the best villains around
The dwarf acting rang hammy, didn't like it, the only bad for me
I did like this film because stuff mattered, and that is sometimes lacking from mcu films, I think they got the tone right, though Kermode didn't feel it
The big fight scene...that was just excellent
half asgardians dead? according to Odinson, so where are the other half? Bang goes my theory of Asgard ending up in the midwest
This is basically the Thanos story, and it's a good film for it

[slipstream 1985]

HTP99 said:

This is getting good reviews, Black Panther got rave reviews, however I thought it was average; am I going to be dissapointed with Infinity War?

Without starting a flame war on myself black panther got rave reviews because they had to. It was 6/10 at best and pretty boring most of the time to be honest. Infinity wars however GO AND SEE IT!

[Guffy]

I really enjoyed, never felt too long, not sure about the ending, Memorable though. I thought Thanos made a great villain. Seemed a role made for Ron Pearlman, but Brolin was good. Not so Peter Dinklage, maybe an in-joke too far.

I sat for ages to catch the end credit scene, not sure it was worth it, unless someone can enlighten me?

Edited by Guffy on Saturday 28th April 06:14

[ukaskew]

Guffy said:

I sat for ages to catch the end credit scene, not sure it was worth it, unless someone can enlighten me?

I thought it was an interesting scene, seeing things kick off back in the 'normal' world. The beeper that Nick Fury uses is sending a distress signal to Captain Marvel. So presumably setting up her arrival in Avengers 4 and also a little nod to the standalone Captain Marvel movie coming out next March (which is predominantly set in the 90s).

[Tony Starks]

After the awful Ragnorok and Black Panther I was a bit worried about the direction this would go. Thankfully its back to MCU awesomeness

[Halb]

Guffy said:

I really enjoyed, never felt too long, not sure about the ending, Memorable though. I thought Thanos made a great villain. Seemed a role made for Ron Pearlman, but Brolin was good. Not so Peter Dinklage, maybe an in-joke too far.

I sat for ages to catch the end credit scene, not sure it was worth it, unless someone can enlighten me?

Edited by Guffy on Saturday 28th April 06:14

I agree about Dink.
I was underwhelmed by the credit scene, I was expecting someone we didn't know about. I guess the new film will explain why she is now an option.

ALso, the Revengers, what happened to them, Valkyrie, Korg, Miek, and also I forget, is Sif dead?
edit
I looked
Asgardians are most likely done, didn't see that, but I might have caled it right on THor a way back.
https://www.bustle.com/p/why-isnt-valkyrie-in-infi...

Edited by Halb on Saturday 28th April 07:46