Avengers 3: Infinity War

[Halb]

probably, it'll go to diminishing returns, like the spider-man thing did, like the batman thing did....


personally, I'd hope for smaller stories, more personal. Like Logan, there are many stories out there, also, GotG, never heard of them, and I was a big marvel fan. A good story/director can spin gold from owt....but, odds are we'll get reboots/revamps/etc

[robemcdonald]

Halb said:

probably, it'll go to diminishing returns, like the spider-man thing did, like the batman thing did....


personally, I'd hope for smaller stories, more personal. Like Logan, there are many stories out there, also, GotG, never heard of them, and I was a big marvel fan. A good story/director can spin gold from owt....but, odds are we'll get reboots/revamps/etc

Have you seen Antman and the Wasp? That felt like a much smaller story (pun intended) compared to recent MCU offerings.
I really liked it and felt it made a nice change from the sort of planet threatening disasters we have grown accustomed to.
Shame the box office isn’t that great making further stories of this type less likely.

[Moonhawk]

robemcdonald said:

Have you seen Antman and the Wasp? That felt like a much smaller story (pun intended) compared to recent MCU offerings.
I really liked it and felt it made a nice change from the sort of planet threatening disasters we have grown accustomed to.
Shame the box office isn’t that great making further stories of this type less likely.

It's doing reasonably well at $430 million globally so far. It looks set to at least break even

It's hasn't opened in China yet - the first Ant Man movie took over $100 million there.

I think the odd MCU movie can afford to just about break even as they keep the momentum going on the MCU as a whole which IMO is more important.

[Halb]

robemcdonald said:

Have you seen Antman and the Wasp? That felt like a much smaller story (pun intended) compared to recent MCU offerings.
I really liked it and felt it made a nice change from the sort of planet threatening disasters we have grown accustomed to.
Shame the box office isn’t that great making further stories of this type less likely.

It's deffo on my list of stuff to watch, Ant-Man is in my top 5 mcu. I know it isn't doing MCU business, but it's a story that needs to be told because of the whole (I've watched Grace's review of it )...I hope that this is a feature that carries forward, because if it is, it'll mean nice lil stories, not just laser in the sky.

[gregs656]

Halb said:

It's deffo on my list of stuff to watch, Ant-Man is in my top 5 mcu. I know it isn't doing MCU business, but it's a story that needs to be told because of the whole (I've watched Grace's review of it )...I hope that this is a feature that carries forward, because if it is, it'll mean nice lil stories, not just laser in the sky.

Agree about Ant Man. Would be in my top 5 too.

I really need to go and see the second one. I might end up going on my own! Haven’t met another regular movie goer over here yet annoyingly.

[ukaskew]

robemcdonald said:

Have you seen Antman and the Wasp?...Shame the box office isn’t that great making further stories of this type less likely.

It comes to something when half a billion dollars 'isn't that great'. With ongoing sales etc this will comfortably be making a tidy profit. The World Cup hasn't helped, massively staggering the release across the globe which is really unusual for a big release these days.

Marvel/Disney can't rely on pulling in a billion dollars every time, at some point or another they're probably going to need Ant Man type business (lower budget, lower return movies) to keep things ticking over. In fact that's exactly the sort of thing Lucasfilm/Disney were looking to do with their Star Wars Stories until the wheels quickly fell off with Solo.

If anything I'd argue Marvel should be looking at bringing in even smaller films with sub $100m budgets, earn half the budget back in pre-sales and international rights etc before they've even got out of the gate. They're on a massively unusual (unique?) run but nothing lasts forever.

[robemcdonald]

ukaskew said:

robemcdonald said:

Have you seen Antman and the Wasp?...Shame the box office isn’t that great making further stories of this type less likely.

It comes to something when half a billion dollars 'isn't that great'. With ongoing sales etc this will comfortably be making a tidy profit. The World Cup hasn't helped, massively staggering the release across the globe which is really unusual for a big release these days.

Marvel/Disney can't rely on pulling in a billion dollars every time, at some point or another they're probably going to need Ant Man type business (lower budget, lower return movies) to keep things ticking over. In fact that's exactly the sort of thing Lucasfilm/Disney were looking to do with their Star Wars Stories until the wheels quickly fell off with Solo.

If anything I'd argue Marvel should be looking at bringing in even smaller films with sub $100m budgets, earn half the budget back in pre-sales and international rights etc before they've even got out of the gate. They're on a massively unusual (unique?) run but nothing lasts forever.

Just to be absolutely clear; I personally think that half a billion is a lot of money. For Disney though; looking at spreadsheets, taking production and marketing costs in to consideration. $500m doesn’t represent the return on investment they were hoping for.
Next time they are looking to green light a new project relative returns on investment could be an influence in the decision making process.
Your comparison to Star Wars isn’t valid either. There is a massive difference between the two franchises.
The MCU has a creative director who understands the properties, the audience and most importantly has a focus on quality.
Star Wars simply doesn’t have that anymore. In fact Star Wars is much more like the DCEU with no clear direction, plans changing as a knee jerk reaction etc.
Marvel had a plan from the very beginning. Even after some early wobbles (Incredible Hulk, first avenger, both films I like but didn’t have great box office) they stuck to it. In the space of ten years it’s become the biggest franchise in movies as a result.
Ultimately I think the MCU will keep these “smaller” stories in the release schedule. This though will be because of their faith in Kevin Feige and the ability to see the MCU as a whole rather than collection of disparate elements.

Edited by robemcdonald on Saturday 11th August 06:47

[Vocal Minority]

robemcdonald said:

Just to be absolutely clear; I personally think that half a billion is a lot of money.

Edited by robemcdonald on Saturday 11th August 06:47

You know conversations are getting heady when this qualifier is necessary

[Halb]

Well looks like IW has fallen 23 million short of taking no. 3 of all-time.

shame.

[Moonhawk]

Halb said:

Well looks like IW has fallen 23 million short of taking no. 3 of all-time.

shame.

Meh - $2bn+ is not to be sniffed at

[robemcdonald]

It’s being re released in September on IMAX for one day. That should do it

[Halb]

Those crafty buggers. I was wondering if anything could close the gap in the time left.

[Halb]

Moonhawk said:

Meh - $2bn+ is not to be sniffed at

just to be clear, I think 2 billion is an ok take

[Kitchski]

Arrived late to the party on this one, but managed to last months and months without any real spoilers, and finally bought the Bluray on Monday when it was released. Watched it Monday night. Won't bore everyone with my thoughts, but did have a huge OMG moment, and a question as a result:

Did Korg die on that ship at the beginning?

[p1stonhead]

Kitchski said:

Arrived late to the party on this one, but managed to last months and months without any real spoilers, and finally bought the Bluray on Monday when it was released. Watched it Monday night. Won't bore everyone with my thoughts, but did have a huge OMG moment, and a question as a result:

Did Korg die on that ship at the beginning?

Oh yeah didnt even think about that

[Foliage]

p1stonhead said:

Kitchski said:

Arrived late to the party on this one, but managed to last months and months without any real spoilers, and finally bought the Bluray on Monday when it was released. Watched it Monday night. Won't bore everyone with my thoughts, but did have a huge OMG moment, and a question as a result:

Did Korg die on that ship at the beginning?

Oh yeah didnt even think about that

From Wikipedia

'Like all Kronans, Korg possesses a body made of a durable, silicon-based substance that grants him protection against nearly all forms of physical harm and gives him a rock-like appearance. In oxygen-rich atmospheres, Korg also possesses vast superhuman strength almost comparable to Thing. His mineral state also grants him an extremely prolonged lifespan.'

Id imagine he survived and is just drifting along in space enjoying the time alone and the views.

[Kitchski]

Foliage said:

Id imagine he survived and is just drifting along in space enjoying the time alone and the views.

This is a better answer than I could have ever hoped for. What about Miek though?

"Oh, Miek's dead."

Edited by Kitchski on Wednesday 5th September 14:03

[Moonhawk]

Kitchski said:

Arrived late to the party on this one, but managed to last months and months without any real spoilers, and finally bought the Bluray on Monday when it was released. Watched it Monday night. Won't bore everyone with my thoughts, but did have a huge OMG moment, and a question as a result:

Did Korg die on that ship at the beginning?

It's been left open ended (probably intentionally).

I think some on the ship survived by taking escape pods - Valkyrie has been confirmed by the director as being as one of the unseen survivors, so one can only assume Korg and Miek may have also.

I seriously doubt they would have been killed off given how well they were received in Ragnarok. I could easily see Korg taking Drax's place in the Guardians of the Galaxy if Dave Bautista is given the elbow and Drax is permanently killed off as a result.

[Burwood]

HannsG said:

Thought it was a great film. Brolin was tremendous as Thanos.

He could have been a lot darker and menacing though. Thanos is one of the GOAT MCU villains!

I enjoyed it and agree that Brolin is a class act. The one gripe is the characters having such random 'powers'. The bird man is just a man with mechanical wings. In the previous Ultron we saw Vision as having God like power. In this instalment he was weak and was easily taken down by many characters. In fact he was saved by Captain America. The Hulk is meant to get stronger as he gets angrier. I would have liked to see more of the character in this film.

But I'm only watching for the effects which were excellent.

[Moonhawk]

Burwood said:

In the previous Ultron we saw Vision as having God like power. In this instalment he was weak and was easily taken down by many characters. In fact he was saved by Captain America.

There was a line in the movie about the staff he was stabbed with preventing him from phasing (which is how he tended to avoid taking damage) - and how that shouldn't be possible.

Thanos could have imbued his 'childrens' weapons with powers gleaned from the power stone he already possessed by the time Infinity War started.