Avengers 3: Infinity War
Discussion
Halb said:
Half the Asgardians survived, that's how how T, rolls.
I would guess that Korg and Valkyrie went off given thetask of defending the half that were left alive.
Yep - that's basically what I thought. Thor, Hulk, Heimdall and Loki stayed behind to try and fight off the attack whilst Valkyrie, Korg and Miek were tasked with protecting those who escaped or were spared.I would guess that Korg and Valkyrie went off given thetask of defending the half that were left alive.
So if Thanos killed half of the asgardeans on the space ship did he the kill another half when he clicked his fingers at the end?
What about Gamoras home planet? Does another half get killed? If not does that mean that Thanos selected all those that disappeared?
Am I over thinking this?
What about Gamoras home planet? Does another half get killed? If not does that mean that Thanos selected all those that disappeared?
Am I over thinking this?
robemcdonald said:
So if Thanos killed half of the asgardeans on the space ship did he the kill another half when he clicked his fingers at the end?
What about Gamoras home planet? Does another half get killed? If not does that mean that Thanos selected all those that disappeared?
Am I over thinking this?
I don't believe he could choose individual people when he did the snap.What about Gamoras home planet? Does another half get killed? If not does that mean that Thanos selected all those that disappeared?
Am I over thinking this?
robemcdonald said:
So if Thanos killed half of the asgardeans on the space ship did he the kill another half when he clicked his fingers at the end?
What about Gamoras home planet? Does another half get killed? If not does that mean that Thanos selected all those that disappeared?
Am I over thinking this?
I assume everyone who isn’t dead when the finger snaps has a 50% chance. He said it was random. People dead before are irrelevant. What about Gamoras home planet? Does another half get killed? If not does that mean that Thanos selected all those that disappeared?
Am I over thinking this?
Now it is out on Blu Ray I have had a chance to see it.
I think this and Thor Ragnarok are my favourites of the MCU movies, for very different reasons, Thor Ragnarok for the light hearted tone and comedy that works rather than feels forced and this for its ambition, invention, action with consequences, villain and more sombre tone.
Its not perfect for two main reasons. Firstly tonally at times it is a mess and the genocide of an entire people will be followed a couple of scenes later by attempts at feeble humour. Yes this is Marvel and they need quips and banter but it should have been more sparing and put in at the right time to try and alleviate darkness and desperation.
Secondly I have watched most of the marvel movies up until this point, but most of them I have only watched once because they are either poor (like age of Ultron) or recent (like civil war). The movie needed therefore to set up more why we should care about red witch and Vision and many of the other characters. I accept though that this wasn't possible in the time.
I think this and Thor Ragnarok are my favourites of the MCU movies, for very different reasons, Thor Ragnarok for the light hearted tone and comedy that works rather than feels forced and this for its ambition, invention, action with consequences, villain and more sombre tone.
Its not perfect for two main reasons. Firstly tonally at times it is a mess and the genocide of an entire people will be followed a couple of scenes later by attempts at feeble humour. Yes this is Marvel and they need quips and banter but it should have been more sparing and put in at the right time to try and alleviate darkness and desperation.
Secondly I have watched most of the marvel movies up until this point, but most of them I have only watched once because they are either poor (like age of Ultron) or recent (like civil war). The movie needed therefore to set up more why we should care about red witch and Vision and many of the other characters. I accept though that this wasn't possible in the time.
Loved the RLM review when they said there will have been children watching who think these characters are dead 
Could also be considered a flaw with the movie when it is certain that some of the characters will be returning for forthcoming movies, either already announced or inevitable.
Could also be considered a flaw with the movie when it is certain that some of the characters will be returning for forthcoming movies, either already announced or inevitable.
I think the offset is that because we know there's another part to th story, and because we know how this works (kids too), we feel the sadness at the end but there isn't any trauma because we know the good guys will win.
as an aside, I didn't enjoy Age of Ultron that much when I first watched it, but thought it as better on the second viewing on telly a while later.
as an aside, I didn't enjoy Age of Ultron that much when I first watched it, but thought it as better on the second viewing on telly a while later.
JagLover said:
Loved the RLM review when they said there will have been children watching who think these characters are dead
Could also be considered a flaw with the movie when it is certain that some of the characters will be returning for forthcoming movies, either already announced or inevitable.
The only character who is reasonably guaranteed is Spider-man (assuming the next spidey film isn't a prequel to IW, like Ant Man and The Wasp was).Could also be considered a flaw with the movie when it is certain that some of the characters will be returning for forthcoming movies, either already announced or inevitable.
The only other movie that was definitely on the cards at this point, before being delayed was GOTG3. But even then - not all of the past characters have to return.
Even if some characters like Black Panther do return for future films - they could still be prequels/fill in movies prior to the events of IW. The rumoured Black Widow movie is almost certain to be.
I'd say the biggest "at risk" characters though are those who seemingly survived - but I wouldn't rule anything out at this point, especially when the Marvel comic book universe seems keen to have younger and female-er characters step into established characters roles (like Thor, Iron-Man etc)
Moonhawk said:
The only character who is reasonably guaranteed is Spider-man (assuming the next spidey film isn't a prequel to IW, like Ant Man and The Wasp was).
The only other movie that was definitely on the cards at this point, before being delayed was GOTG3. But even then - not all of the past characters have to return.
Even if some characters like Black Panther do return for future films - they could still be prequels/fill in movies prior to the events of IW. The rumoured Black Widow movie is almost certain to be.
I'd say the biggest "at risk" characters though are those who seemingly survived - but I wouldn't rule anything out at this point, especially when the Marvel comic book universe seems keen to have younger and female-er characters step into established characters roles (like Thor, Iron-Man etc)
I love the behind the scenes stuff, and for a while, I believed the accepted direction that the old guard would be on the way out (contracts, time to move on etc), plus as you say;, there are replacements in-universe possible. Now though, some of that might just be jockeying, and not as uncouth as what Cavill is doing across the street with WB. I really don't know now, I think it is open as to what happens post past2. THe good thing is that Marvel comics have felt fan ire at their changes which are too extreme, too silly, so unless we get Kath Kennedy replacing Feige, I don't see anything colossally stupid happening in the MCU. Having said that, I wouldn't mind a female Thor or whatever, since THor has plenty of great baddies/stories left, they all do, which I always think is a bit of s shame for film heroes, they have such short lives...and I don't want reboots....Just thought, would Beta Ray Bill work? Possible intro with Guardians, replace Drax?The only other movie that was definitely on the cards at this point, before being delayed was GOTG3. But even then - not all of the past characters have to return.
Even if some characters like Black Panther do return for future films - they could still be prequels/fill in movies prior to the events of IW. The rumoured Black Widow movie is almost certain to be.
I'd say the biggest "at risk" characters though are those who seemingly survived - but I wouldn't rule anything out at this point, especially when the Marvel comic book universe seems keen to have younger and female-er characters step into established characters roles (like Thor, Iron-Man etc)
Moonhawk said:
The only character who is reasonably guaranteed is Spider-man (assuming the next spidey film isn't a prequel to IW, like Ant Man and The Wasp was).
The only other movie that was definitely on the cards at this point, before being delayed was GOTG3. But even then - not all of the past characters have to return.
Even if some characters like Black Panther do return for future films - they could still be prequels/fill in movies prior to the events of IW. The rumoured Black Widow movie is almost certain to be.
That is the point though if Spiderman is guaranteed to return then the process is reversible so it will happen for the rest of those lost at the end as well. If it hadn't included Spiderman and Black Panther you might think there is a serious chance this is permanent and the ending would have had more impact. The only other movie that was definitely on the cards at this point, before being delayed was GOTG3. But even then - not all of the past characters have to return.
Even if some characters like Black Panther do return for future films - they could still be prequels/fill in movies prior to the events of IW. The rumoured Black Widow movie is almost certain to be.
Moonhawk said:
I'd say the biggest "at risk" characters though are those who seemingly survived - but I wouldn't rule anything out at this point, especially when the Marvel comic book universe seems keen to have younger and female-er characters step into established characters roles (like Thor, Iron-Man etc)
Well yes clearly given the requirement of sacrifice in order to achieve your goal a number of the remaining cast will probably not make it in the next one.IMO there are a few who probably need to call it a day and others I want to see more off. Loved Hulk and Thor teaming up for example in Thor 3. No objection to more female characters but the mistake of the Marvel comics in my view was replacing existing characters with them. When the movies wanted a new female character in the Asgard plotline they brought in another female character from the comics, they didn't replace Thor. They are also now bringing in Captain Marvel from the comics.
Halb said:
I love the behind the scenes stuff, and for a while, I believed the accepted direction that the old guard would be on the way out (contracts, time to move on etc), plus as you say;, there are replacements in-universe possible. Now though, some of that might just be jockeying, and not as uncouth as what Cavill is doing across the street with WB. I really don't know now, I think it is open as to what happens post past2. THe good thing is that Marvel comics have felt fan ire at their changes which are too extreme, too silly, so unless we get Kath Kennedy replacing Feige, I don't see anything colossally stupid happening in the MCU. Having said that, I wouldn't mind a female Thor or whatever, since THor has plenty of great baddies/stories left, they all do, which I always think is a bit of s shame for film heroes, they have such short lives...and I don't want reboots....Just thought, would Beta Ray Bill work? Possible intro with Guardians, replace Drax?
Well clearly some of the core cast will be off. The problem is many of the newer characters don't have the same star power or draw.I think the rumour is Robert Downey jnr is off and Scarlett Johanson is talking like she is off as well. You would think that they would want a number of the remainder to stick around to help generate interest in the movies for the next stage. Ant man clearly doesn't have the same drawing power. While Black Panther was less popular internationally than he was in the US. If Downey goes this is going to free up a large chunk of the budget to persuade others to stick around.
The roster has grown too crowded IMO, so needs a trim. I also see the need to have a better gender balance in the MCU, for the sake of the fact these are role models for kids as much as anything. I would get rid of Iron Man and Captain America and see what the dynamic is like with the addition of Captain Marvel. There are others who are fine as supporting characters, like Falcon, who I don't think could ever take centre stage as well.
Given the number of years Hugh jackman kept going as Wolverine I dont see why we cant have many more years of Hemsworth and Ruffalo. Both have built up quite a following.
JagLover said:
That is the point though if Spiderman is guaranteed to return then the process is reversible so it will happen for the rest of those lost at the end as well.
Not necessarily - if the time stone is the mcguffin that is used to reverse what Thanos did, then Mordo's warning that "The bill comes due. Always!" could well mean there is a price to pay for doing it. That price may be the sacrifice of some of those people lost.JagLover said:
No objection to more female characters but the mistake of the Marvel comics in my view was replacing existing characters with them. When the movies wanted a new female character in the Asgard plotline they brought in another female character from the comics, they didn't replace Thor. They are also now bringing in Captain Marvel from the comics.
I was actually disappointed that Lady Sif didn't make an appearance in either Ragnorok or IW. I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Valkyrie either - she's a pretty cool character and could well pick up the mantle from Thor.Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 16th September 17:57
JagLover said:
Well clearly some of the core cast will be off. The problem is many of the newer characters don't have the same star power or draw.
I think the rumour is Robert Downey jnr is off and Scarlett Johanson is talking like she is off as well. You would think that they would want a number of the remainder to stick around to help generate interest in the movies for the next stage. Ant man clearly doesn't have the same drawing power. While Black Panther was less popular internationally than he was in the US. If Downey goes this is going to free up a large chunk of the budget to persuade others to stick around.
The roster has grown too crowded IMO, so needs a trim. I also see the need to have a better gender balance in the MCU, for the sake of the fact these are role models for kids as much as anything. I would get rid of Iron Man and Captain America and see what the dynamic is like with the addition of Captain Marvel. There are others who are fine as supporting characters, like Falcon, who I don't think could ever take centre stage as well.
Given the number of years Hugh jackman kept going as Wolverine I dont see why we cant have many more years of Hemsworth and Ruffalo. Both have built up quite a following.
The ending of IW was a tad grim, so I think we needed that spidey/BP death to nudge us that it's not final.I think the rumour is Robert Downey jnr is off and Scarlett Johanson is talking like she is off as well. You would think that they would want a number of the remainder to stick around to help generate interest in the movies for the next stage. Ant man clearly doesn't have the same drawing power. While Black Panther was less popular internationally than he was in the US. If Downey goes this is going to free up a large chunk of the budget to persuade others to stick around.
The roster has grown too crowded IMO, so needs a trim. I also see the need to have a better gender balance in the MCU, for the sake of the fact these are role models for kids as much as anything. I would get rid of Iron Man and Captain America and see what the dynamic is like with the addition of Captain Marvel. There are others who are fine as supporting characters, like Falcon, who I don't think could ever take centre stage as well.
Given the number of years Hugh jackman kept going as Wolverine I dont see why we cant have many more years of Hemsworth and Ruffalo. Both have built up quite a following.
I love RDJ, and Evans has done the impossible and made me love Cap, a character that was utterly boring to me in the comics. Doc Strange doesn't have the charisma of Iron-Man, though I think finally, after many films, Hemsworth is getting watchable as THor (5th go?). Those three are the crown, if one goes, MCU can sustain it, two would be tough I think, especially if it's Cap/RDJ, they are the lynch-pin of the whole thing I think.
In Grace Reynold's vids she lays some of the blame for the ANt-Man films at the feet of the director.
I have no love or interest or nostalgia for Captain Marvel, and she's a bit of a poison pill in the current run of comics, she keeps failing to sell and Marvel keep pushing her....I think her film will smash it because it's a warm-up for IW2, and by then it'll have been almost a year since IW1, the lead is a bit of a political animal as well.
I'd like to see more separate films, doing their own thing, like GotG, but I can also see the Fantastic Four and X-Men creating some uber-huge crossover storyline...if I had a vote, it's be Secret Wars.
Halb said:
The ending of IW was a tad grim, so I think we needed that spidey/BP death to nudge us that it's not final.
I love RDJ, and Evans has done the impossible and made me love Cap, a character that was utterly boring to me in the comics. Doc Strange doesn't have the charisma of Iron-Man, though I think finally, after many films, Hemsworth is getting watchable as THor (5th go?). Those three are the crown, if one goes, MCU can sustain it, two would be tough I think, especially if it's Cap/RDJ, they are the lynch-pin of the whole thing I think.
In Grace Reynold's vids she lays some of the blame for the ANt-Man films at the feet of the director.
I have no love or interest or nostalgia for Captain Marvel, and she's a bit of a poison pill in the current run of comics, she keeps failing to sell and Marvel keep pushing her....I think her film will smash it because it's a warm-up for IW2, and by then it'll have been almost a year since IW1, the lead is a bit of a political animal as well.
I'd like to see more separate films, doing their own thing, like GotG, but I can also see the Fantastic Four and X-Men creating some uber-huge crossover storyline...if I had a vote, it's be Secret Wars.
RDJ was very good in the first Avengers film, but you have to question whether it is worth keeping him now given the size of the payments required and that he is losing interest. Hemsworth is more than watchable now IMO, very good in both Thor Ragnarok and Avengers Infinity war. I love RDJ, and Evans has done the impossible and made me love Cap, a character that was utterly boring to me in the comics. Doc Strange doesn't have the charisma of Iron-Man, though I think finally, after many films, Hemsworth is getting watchable as THor (5th go?). Those three are the crown, if one goes, MCU can sustain it, two would be tough I think, especially if it's Cap/RDJ, they are the lynch-pin of the whole thing I think.
In Grace Reynold's vids she lays some of the blame for the ANt-Man films at the feet of the director.
I have no love or interest or nostalgia for Captain Marvel, and she's a bit of a poison pill in the current run of comics, she keeps failing to sell and Marvel keep pushing her....I think her film will smash it because it's a warm-up for IW2, and by then it'll have been almost a year since IW1, the lead is a bit of a political animal as well.
I'd like to see more separate films, doing their own thing, like GotG, but I can also see the Fantastic Four and X-Men creating some uber-huge crossover storyline...if I had a vote, it's be Secret Wars.
As an actress Brie Larson seems decent enough, she won an Oscar after all and I liked her in Kong: Skull Island. What I would find boring is a generic "tough girl" character like Michelle Rodriguez seems to specialise in playing. However a character comes across in the comics is fairly irrelevant really, some characters work better on film than on the page and vice versa. With a good writer and director Brie could be an interesting character.
I think we are in agreement though on the broad point that despite all the talk of handing over to the new generation Marvel cannot afford to lose all the old avengers. In reality the question of who to keep and who to replace is probably going to resolve just as much around pay and commercial appeal as around whose story has run its course and who has stories left to tell.
Edited by JagLover on Sunday 16th September 18:13
Moonhawk said:
JagLover said:
That is the point though if Spiderman is guaranteed to return then the process is reversible so it will happen for the rest of those lost at the end as well.
Not necessarily - if the time stone is the mcguffin that is used to reverse what Thanos did, then Mordo's warning that "The bill comes due. Always!" could well mean there is a price to pay for doing it. That price may be the sacrifice of some of those people lost.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff