Paying for films vs watching them for free
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There has certainly been a move in some areas to physical media again like music which you listen to again and again. Not so sure about visual media though. I've never really bought DVDs because once I have watched something I would rarely want to watch it again let alone over and over.
For me I only stream when I can't find what I want. So recent example I was scanning Netflix and found Peaky Blinders. I never managed to catch that on BBC so watched both series and then realised there was a third. Went over to the iPlayer and checked amazon etc and couldn't find the third series. I could get the DVD for about £12 but I wouldn't watch it again and I hate clutter so I streamed it.
For me I only stream when I can't find what I want. So recent example I was scanning Netflix and found Peaky Blinders. I never managed to catch that on BBC so watched both series and then realised there was a third. Went over to the iPlayer and checked amazon etc and couldn't find the third series. I could get the DVD for about £12 but I wouldn't watch it again and I hate clutter so I streamed it.
Sparky137 said:
hyphen said:
along with the eventual end of physical media releases (to anyone other than a few geeks who want to collect them like Vinyl)
Interesting article: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jan/03/reco...Edited by hyphen on Sunday 6th August 02:25
So if vinyl is outselling streaming is it likely that physical media in that form is likely to disappear? Probably not.
I have started buying vinyl again (yes, I'm in my fifties). Its so nice to have something physical that produces EXTREMELY high sound quality and not compressed to hell like most digital media.
If movies were available to stream or to buy when first released I would probably firstly stream the movie and if I particularly liked it I would then go and buy the blu-ray of the same movie.
Movies on the other hand are doing the opposite, with 4k now becoming standard, and a few weeks ago Sky announced their release of Dolby Atmos.
Also more importantly - people tend to listen to their favourite albums a lot, whereas movies tend to be seen mainly once as so many new ones are coming out, plus quality TV series. Like yourself, some people, will always buy a physical product.
That 25 year high in vinyl sales is still only 2.6% of the market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38487...
Edited by hyphen on Sunday 6th August 15:21
I think quality films are like quality telly series, people will buy the box sets, especially when film universe franchises exist. THose that repay repeate viewings. I own a few box sets of my top drama serials, but all my doofders of films are pretty old. I can see myself buying a box set of the MCU.
I thought I'd use this to have a little rant regarding the cinema experience these days.
Firstly, you now have to select your seat when buying your ticket. I have no idea where the best seat is, until I'm in the theatre, why can't they just use first come/first serve like they used to? I went tonight, and the 'reserved seat' system just resulted in people wondering around with the light on their phones trying to find their seat, just bloody sit down!
Next, the start time. Stated as 7:20, actual start time, 7:50, as despite the fact I've paid £10 for a ticket I now have to watch 20mins+ of TV adverts about mortgages and such. People have started to realise this, so now arrive later than the start time, but then (as noted above) then have to wander around in the dark using their phone light to find their reserved seats!! And just to add insult to injury, the screen final says "And now our feature presentation", and then shows a bloody Lloyds bank advert!!! Just f
k off!
Now see, if I download/stream the film at home, I have non of this. The film starts when I put it on, not 30mins later, and I don't want to watch any adverts. Alot of piracy isn't due to people being cheap, its people looking for the easiest solution. Spotify and such pretty much killed off music piracy, it's time the film industry caught up, maybe if you made the cinema experience better people wouldn't feel the need to pirate films.
It's been suggested by a few of my mates that for the longer Game of Thrones episodes coming up they'd happily pay £10 to watch it at the cinema, but you bet that would be superceded by 30mins of fking adverts first!!
Firstly, you now have to select your seat when buying your ticket. I have no idea where the best seat is, until I'm in the theatre, why can't they just use first come/first serve like they used to? I went tonight, and the 'reserved seat' system just resulted in people wondering around with the light on their phones trying to find their seat, just bloody sit down!
Next, the start time. Stated as 7:20, actual start time, 7:50, as despite the fact I've paid £10 for a ticket I now have to watch 20mins+ of TV adverts about mortgages and such. People have started to realise this, so now arrive later than the start time, but then (as noted above) then have to wander around in the dark using their phone light to find their reserved seats!! And just to add insult to injury, the screen final says "And now our feature presentation", and then shows a bloody Lloyds bank advert!!! Just f
k off!Now see, if I download/stream the film at home, I have non of this. The film starts when I put it on, not 30mins later, and I don't want to watch any adverts. Alot of piracy isn't due to people being cheap, its people looking for the easiest solution. Spotify and such pretty much killed off music piracy, it's time the film industry caught up, maybe if you made the cinema experience better people wouldn't feel the need to pirate films.
It's been suggested by a few of my mates that for the longer Game of Thrones episodes coming up they'd happily pay £10 to watch it at the cinema, but you bet that would be superceded by 30mins of f
king adverts first!!Disney have pulled their content from Netflix, saying they want to setup their own streaming service.
So now punters are expected to pay up for yet another monthly bill, perhaps they will, or perhaps the next Star Wars will be pirated to a level not seen before...
The industry really does not help itself.
So now punters are expected to pay up for yet another monthly bill, perhaps they will, or perhaps the next Star Wars will be pirated to a level not seen before...
The industry really does not help itself.
hyphen said:
Disney have pulled their content from Netflix, saying they want to setup their own streaming service.
So now punters are expected to pay up for yet another monthly bill, perhaps they will, or perhaps the next Star Wars will be pirated to a level not seen before...
The industry really does not help itself.
Indeed. The more fragmented official sources get, and you can be sure the Netflix price won't go down when their current Disney deal expires, the more people either won't subscribe and just miss out, or go to a place where they can get all the content.So now punters are expected to pay up for yet another monthly bill, perhaps they will, or perhaps the next Star Wars will be pirated to a level not seen before...
The industry really does not help itself.
Sparky137 said:
hyphen said:
Disney have pulled their content from Netflix, saying they want to setup their own streaming service.
Really? I watched Tomorrowland a couple of days ago on Netflix and that's a Disney picture. Perhaps they have just pulled the most popular kids films?https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08...
craigjm said:
There has certainly been a move in some areas to physical media again like music which you listen to again and again. Not so sure about visual media though. I've never really bought DVDs because once I have watched something I would rarely want to watch it again let alone over and over.
Its funny a lot of people are like that. They will listen to a song or an album over and over but never watch a film twice even if they liked it. There must be lot of people out there that will watch things again or they would not show repeats. I watch films again, in fact I put the original Mad Max DVD on so I could watch the opening chase scene again.
I rarely watch a film twice, for the simple reason that are so many new and old films I have yet to see. In the same way, I never go on a holiday away to the same place, as there are so many places I have not visited.
Music takes more effort to seek out new stuff I think compared to films, often you just want to relax/listen to whilst actually doing something else.
Music takes more effort to seek out new stuff I think compared to films, often you just want to relax/listen to whilst actually doing something else.
Edited by hyphen on Wednesday 9th August 15:33
Cotty said:
Its funny a lot of people are like that. They will listen to a song or an album over and over but never watch a film twice even if they liked it.
Two completely different things though.Films are, obviously, visual. As entertaining as they are, they (usually) require no imagination, everything is laid out for you on the screen and you know exactly what's going to happen.
Music stirs the soul. It conjures up feelings and long-forgotten memories and therefore almost every listen of a particular song can produce a different experience from the last. It is much more personal than watching a film where one individual's experience will largely mirror another's.
skinnyman said:
I thought I'd use this to have a little rant regarding the cinema experience these days.
Firstly, you now have to select your seat when buying your ticket. I have no idea where the best seat is, until I'm in the theatre, why can't they just use first come/first serve like they used to?
Er...isn't "first come, first served" exactly what they ARE doing by allowing you to select any available seat? It's not hard to work out the best view is roughly in the middle, towards the back, but now you can choose to sit away from the riff-raff if you so wish.Firstly, you now have to select your seat when buying your ticket. I have no idea where the best seat is, until I'm in the theatre, why can't they just use first come/first serve like they used to?
skinnyman said:
Next, the start time. Stated as 7:20, actual start time, 7:50, as despite the fact I've paid £10 for a ticket I now have to watch 20mins+ of TV adverts about mortgages and such. People have started to realise this...
So everyone else has realised this, except you? But you've just pointed it out. 
Centurion07 said:
skinnyman said:
I thought I'd use this to have a little rant regarding the cinema experience these days.
Firstly, you now have to select your seat when buying your ticket. I have no idea where the best seat is, until I'm in the theatre, why can't they just use first come/first serve like they used to?
Er...isn't "first come, first served" exactly what they ARE doing by allowing you to select any available seat? It's not hard to work out the best view is roughly in the middle, towards the back, but now you can choose to sit away from the riff-raff if you so wish.Firstly, you now have to select your seat when buying your ticket. I have no idea where the best seat is, until I'm in the theatre, why can't they just use first come/first serve like they used to?
skinnyman said:
Next, the start time. Stated as 7:20, actual start time, 7:50, as despite the fact I've paid £10 for a ticket I now have to watch 20mins+ of TV adverts about mortgages and such. People have started to realise this...
So everyone else has realised this, except you? But you've just pointed it out. And I've paid £10 for a film to start @ 7:20, why should they have adverts at all? and if I turn up 20-30mins after the start time I'm now one of the w
kers with the phone torch trying to find my seat.The solution is very simple. The film starts at the stated time, with no adverts. This is how it was years ago, why f
k with the system?skinnyman said:
Except the reserved seat system causes people to wonder around in the dark using their phones, looking for their seat, as I mentioned.
And I've paid £10 for a film to start @ 7:20, why should they have adverts at all? and if I turn up 20-30mins after the start time I'm now one of the wkers with the phone torch trying to find my seat.
The solution is very simple. The film starts at the stated time, with no adverts. This is how it was years ago, why fk with the system?
Why should you care if someone is ruining the adverts you don't want to see anyway? And I've paid £10 for a film to start @ 7:20, why should they have adverts at all? and if I turn up 20-30mins after the start time I'm now one of the w
kers with the phone torch trying to find my seat.The solution is very simple. The film starts at the stated time, with no adverts. This is how it was years ago, why f
k with the system?skinnyman said:
Except the reserved seat system causes people to wonder around in the dark using their phones, looking for their seat, as I mentioned.
And I've paid £10 for a film to start @ 7:20, why should they have adverts at all? and if I turn up 20-30mins after the start time I'm now one of the wkers with the phone torch trying to find my seat.
The solution is very simple. The film starts at the stated time, with no adverts. This is how it was years ago, why fk with the system?
When I went to the cinema to see Spectre it was in a newly built Cineworld. Inexplicably, it had no adverts at all and the film started exactly at the time on the ticket. This would have been fantastic IF THEY WARNED YOU; as it is about 50% of the audience turned up 10+ minutes into the film (me included). The manager was run off his feet with complaints afterward and allowed people to duck their heads in the door of the next screening to catch the few minutes they missed - and we STILL missed a few minutes from the start of even that one! And I've paid £10 for a film to start @ 7:20, why should they have adverts at all? and if I turn up 20-30mins after the start time I'm now one of the w
kers with the phone torch trying to find my seat.The solution is very simple. The film starts at the stated time, with no adverts. This is how it was years ago, why f
k with the system?
MissChief said:
Indeed. The more fragmented official sources get, and you can be sure the Netflix price won't go down when their current Disney deal expires, the more people either won't subscribe and just miss out, or go to a place where they can get all the content.
Completely agree. The fragmenting is already starting to happen. I have thought for a while that we are currently in a bit of a high water mark for the streaming services, and I suspect this will roll backwards as studios decide they want to offer up their own content separately - plus the inevitable creep of advertising and I suspect a clamp down on how profiles are shared between people. The fragmenting is particularly short sighted.
Centurion07 said:
Two completely different things though.
Films are, obviously, visual. As entertaining as they are, they (usually) require no imagination, everything is laid out for you on the screen and you know exactly what's going to happen.
Music stirs the soul. It conjures up feelings and long-forgotten memories and therefore almost every listen of a particular song can produce a different experience from the last. It is much more personal than watching a film where one individual's experience will largely mirror another's.
For me, it's not like that, it's the opposite, films get to me more than music, and watching my fave films stirs my soul and brings up memories, gives me the tingles, film are not just visual, film is very personal. It just depends what you prefer.Films are, obviously, visual. As entertaining as they are, they (usually) require no imagination, everything is laid out for you on the screen and you know exactly what's going to happen.
Music stirs the soul. It conjures up feelings and long-forgotten memories and therefore almost every listen of a particular song can produce a different experience from the last. It is much more personal than watching a film where one individual's experience will largely mirror another's.
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