SPOILERS - GoT leaked/2am thread

[Sway]

Right, I've heard a few reasons why spoiler Game of Thrones threads get closed, and I'm pretty sure I haven't breached any of them...

Let's see if we can ensure the Spoiler Free thread remains that way, bringing harmony and (a tower of) joy for all.

Seeing as HBO Spain (or whoever) has fked up yet again, watched ep6 last night.

Crikey. Possibly the busiest and most intriguing episode to date.

Couldn't quite get my head around the timings - Gendry could run all the way to the Wall? A raven could fly a thousand miles to Dragonstone, and dragons can fly the same distance - all in a single night? Battle was very reminiscent of Age of Ultron...

Most interesting bit for me was the Winterfell scenes - little justification for Sansa reverting to whiney kid and seeking advice from LF. Keeps the suspense between the Stark girls though I suppose. Arya is a fking psychopath!

Oh, and once again the Hound steals the show.

[V8mate]

Never mind all that, the burning(?) question is: what do blue-eyed dragons fire from their pipes?

Snowballs?

[Lazermilk]

Yeah I agree about the timescales, they were way out of sync and probably the worst they have been so far! The speed those white walkers were travelling when chasing the group would indicate they could reach the wall at the same speed, if not faster, than Gendry!

Now they still have to go off and convince Cersei and get all the armies back north before they reach the wall? No chance!

The dragon part was pretty predictable too, will be interesting to see how that works, presumably it will be breathing ice instead of fire now and one of the white walkers will be riding it around!

[Sway]

V8mate said:

Never mind all that, the burning(?) question is: what do blue-eyed dragons fire from their pipes?

Snowballs?

Also is it going to be a slowly rotting Wight, or a badass mystical WW?

[Lazermilk]

Surely it has to be a slowly rotting Wight based on how the others worked?

[V8mate]

Lazermilk said:

The dragon part was pretty predictable too, will be interesting to see how that works, presumably it will be breathing ice instead of fire now and one of the white walkers will be riding it around!

Seems pretty likely that Ep8 will see a dragon vs dragon battle and Dany losing at least one more?

I guess the 'best' way to end this season would be with all dragons dead - thereby levelling the playing field between the Targs and Lannisters - but the forging of a significant alliance of those opposed to the Lannisters.

However - and I have no idea what it will be - Cersei will surely leave this season with another significant scalp/advantage to fuel her own fire?

[ZesPak]

Sway said:

Also is it going to be a slowly rotting Wight, or a badass mystical WW?

That's a good question, we saw him resurrect an army by lifting his arms, and we've seen dead people just stand up.

The only time I remember we see him touching someone is the baby in S4. That baby was alive though.

Anyway, why would you want an animal like a dragon to be able to think for itself? Wouldn't it be handier if he just could control it like any other wight.

That said, after the bear, were were all the other animals or giants they turned?
Also, that bear attack should have been Summer instead of just a random bear, would have had a lot more effect imo...

[JagLover]

Sway said:

Couldn't quite get my head around the timings - Gendry could run all the way to the Wall? A raven could fly a thousand miles to Dragonstone, and dragons can fly the same distance - all in a single night? Battle was very reminiscent of Age of Ultron...

I believe a thousand miles is book distances. If you look at the show then I very much doubt that the wall is supposed to be 300 miles wide (they have after all reduced the size of the Nights Watch) and if you reduce that width and reduce everything else to scale then it wont be a thousand miles as the crow (or raven or dragon) flies.

In terms of where they were. In the books Eastwatch is 150 miles from Hardhome. But the army of the dead has been slowly moving south from Hardhome, and as I have said they don't appear to be using book distances.

If they are, say, 30 miles from Eastwatch and Dragonstone is closer than in the books, then the distances sort of work.

The scene also works if the Nights King was waiting to attack until the appointed time when he would be able to kill a Dragon.

Sway said:

Most interesting bit for me was the Winterfell scenes - little justification for Sansa reverting to whiney kid and seeking advice from LF. Keeps the suspense between the Stark girls though I suppose. Arya is a fking psychopath!

Oh, and once again the Hound steals the show.

Like how they are doing Arya. She never liked Sansa and is now completely messed up.

[paulrockliffe]

Lazermilk said:

Surely it has to be a slowly rotting Wight based on how the others worked?

Not sure, where did the other Walkers come from? Maybe that ice spear is the same as the way the Night King was created?

But the burning question really is, given they've spent the last 10 years just walking very slowly with no infrastructure; where did those massive chains come from?

The whole episode was quite disappointing for me, some dick put a thread on here yesterday with Ice Dragon in the title, so there was no suspense, nothing else dramatic really happened and the whole thing made no sense to me, even ignoring the time thing.

Why was there a small group of dead things going on ahead, why was a White Walker with them, given the whole army was just a few hundred metres behind? How did the wights get so close to the Magnificent 7 so quickly, yet not close the last few metres? Lots of wights were chopped up, but presumably they weren't dead as there wasn't any bodies piling up, yet they stopped fighting and just disappeared? Also there was 7 that left the Wall last week, but 13 in the group this week?

The Arya/Sansa thing makes no sense either, LF basically said get Briene to kill Arya, but then Briene was sent away. And Briene couldn't kill Arya without breaking her vow anyway, so that plan was complete rubbish. And what is Bran doing? Given the whole thing nearly went to st and he's supposed to be doing something significant about all this, why didn't he send a Raven?

In fact, the whole Gendry thing; why send someone back in the first place just to tell Dany that the inevitable outcome of walking up to the army of the dead had taken place? There was no other possible expectation of how that would go, so why didn't she just go in the first place?

Oh that's right, if she goes Cersei something something. Except she then went anyway, so more bks.

[Lazermilk]

V8mate said:

Seems pretty likely that Ep8 will see a dragon vs dragon battle and Dany losing at least one more?

I guess the 'best' way to end this season would be with all dragons dead - thereby levelling the playing field between the Targs and Lannisters - but the forging of a significant alliance of those opposed to the Lannisters.

However - and I have no idea what it will be - Cersei will surely leave this season with another significant scalp/advantage to fuel her own fire?

Yeah I agree with that mostly, except i think Dany will still have Drogon left at the end of the season and the white walker dragon will still be alive too.

Maybe Jon will end up riding Drogon with the flaming sword to kill it next season!

[ZesPak]

Lazermilk said:

Yeah I agree with that mostly, except i think Dany will still have Drogon left at the end of the season and the white walker dragon will still be alive too.

Maybe Jon will end up riding Drogon with the flaming sword to kill it next season!

Wouldn't Jon be riding Rhaegal, named after his father?

[Sway]

Lazermilk said:

V8mate said:

Seems pretty likely that Ep8 will see a dragon vs dragon battle and Dany losing at least one more?

I guess the 'best' way to end this season would be with all dragons dead - thereby levelling the playing field between the Targs and Lannisters - but the forging of a significant alliance of those opposed to the Lannisters.

However - and I have no idea what it will be - Cersei will surely leave this season with another significant scalp/advantage to fuel her own fire?

Yeah I agree with that mostly, except i think Dany will still have Drogon left at the end of the season and the white walker dragon will still be alive too.

Maybe Jon will end up riding Drogon with the flaming sword to kill it next season!

Can't see that myself. There's an entire season to go, and at least three armies to get through (including the dead). They're not going to shoot their load too soon, I'd guess that Viserion is going to bring down the Wall. That'd be a good setup for next season.

Three heads of the Dragon seems to have been knocked, but I'm still hopeful for Jon to get on one (and Dany) and them two to kick arse whilst the Dothraki, Unsullied and Westerosi knights are fully engaged with the wights.

[Lazermilk]

paulrockliffe said:

Not sure, where did the other Walkers come from? Maybe that ice spear is the same as the way the Night King was created?

But the burning question really is, given they've spent the last 10 years just walking very slowly with no infrastructure; where did those massive chains come from?

The whole episode was quite disappointing for me, some dick put a thread on here yesterday with Ice Dragon in the title, so there was no suspense, nothing else dramatic really happened and the whole thing made no sense to me, even ignoring the time thing.

Why was there a small group of dead things going on ahead, why was a White Walker with them, given the whole army was just a few hundred metres behind? How did the wights get so close to the Magnificent 7 so quickly, yet not close the last few metres? Lots of wights were chopped up, but presumably they weren't dead as there wasn't any bodies piling up, yet they stopped fighting and just disappeared? Also there was 7 that left the Wall last week, but 13 in the group this week?

The Arya/Sansa thing makes no sense either, LF basically said get Briene to kill Arya, but then Briene was sent away. And Briene couldn't kill Arya without breaking her vow anyway, so that plan was complete rubbish. And what is Bran doing? Given the whole thing nearly went to st and he's supposed to be doing something significant about all this, why didn't he send a Raven?

In fact, the whole Gendry thing; why send someone back in the first place just to tell Dany that the inevitable outcome of walking up to the army of the dead had taken place? There was no other possible expectation of how that would go, so why didn't she just go in the first place?

Oh that's right, if she goes Cersei something something. Except she then went anyway, so more bks.

Yep good points above, I had much the same feelings about most points you mentioned but hadnt thought about where they got the massive chains from

[Lazermilk]

ZesPak said:

Wouldn't Jon be riding Rhaegal, named after his father?

Yeah good point

[Lazermilk]

Sway said:

Can't see that myself. There's an entire season to go, and at least three armies to get through (including the dead). They're not going to shoot their load too soon, I'd guess that Viserion is going to bring down the Wall. That'd be a good setup for next season.

Three heads of the Dragon seems to have been knocked, but I'm still hopeful for Jon to get on one (and Dany) and them two to kick arse whilst the Dothraki, Unsullied and Westerosi knights are fully engaged with the wights.

That would make more sense actually and especially as I hadn't realised the remaining spare dragon has the name of Jons father! How symbolic!

Should make for some epic battles anyway, looking forward to the final episode to see what cliffhanger we are left with.

[ZesPak]

Lazermilk said:

Yep good points above, I had much the same feelings about most points you mentioned but hadnt thought about where they got the massive chains from

Well, it annoyed me first but it's never clear whether they fished up Viserion the same day or a month later.
If so, they could have retrieved some boat anchor chains somewhere.

Their problem with water is a bit inconsistent though. Apparently they can't swim to save their bones, unless they need to scare a ginger or hook up a dragon?

[V8mate]

And, and, and... I don't understand why JS hasn't been sending ravens back to Winterfell for the whole of his time at Dragonstone, the move north, the expedition etc... postcard-style.

Knowing that his subjects were decidely dodgy about his expedition, sending regular 'here I am in xxx, having a great time, see you all soon, love King Jon' would have kept things calm in his absence?

[JagLover]

paulrockliffe said:

Why was there a small group of dead things going on ahead, why was a White Walker with them, given the whole army was just a few hundred metres behind? How did the wights get so close to the Magnificent 7 so quickly, yet not close the last few metres? Lots of wights were chopped up, but presumably they weren't dead as there wasn't any bodies piling up, yet they stopped fighting and just disappeared? Also there was 7 that left the Wall last week, but 13 in the group this week?

I think the decision to go at all was completely stupid writing.

That said I think people are underestimating the NK. amongst his other abilities he seems to have the same abilities as Bran and he is very patient.

For him things happened as they needed to happen in order for him to gain an Ice Dragon. As far as we know as well he doesn't yet have the ability to pass beyond the wall. So whether he walks fast or slow he isn't getting through.

[paulrockliffe]

ZesPak said:

Well, it annoyed me first but it's never clear whether they fished up Viserion the same day or a month later.
If so, they could have retrieved some boat anchor chains somewhere.

Their problem with water is a bit inconsistent though. Apparently they can't swim to save their bones, unless they need to scare a ginger or hook up a dragon?

That's true, you can always come up with some explanation or other. But it's a pretty basic failure of the directors that it wasn't done in a way that either you don't question it in the first place or the explanation isn't sign-posted somehow. The natural assumption is that it was the same moment, you'd expect something to contradict that if it wasn't.

And Benjen appearing out of nowhere, twice now, needs some sort of explanation too really.

[Lazermilk]

V8mate said:

And, and, and... I don't understand why JS hasn't been sending ravens back to Winterfell for the whole of his time at Dragonstone, the move north, the expedition etc... postcard-style.

Knowing that his subjects were decidely dodgy about his expedition, sending regular 'here I am in xxx, having a great time, see you all soon, love King Jon' would have kept things calm in his absence?