Terminator: Dark Fate
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A Winner Is You said:
Conversely although it does rather fall apart in the third act, I thought up to that point Salvation wasn't all that bad.
The high point of Salvation for me is when the Arnie-bodied T800 turns up. People in the screening I was at actually cheered for that, I suspect partly because it was the only major moment the trailers didn't spoil!
A Winner Is You said:
Conversely although it does rather fall apart in the third act, I thought up to that point Salvation wasn't all that bad.
I enjoyed it. It didn't massively rate it and it certainly never needed to exist but it's a bit of fun. Genisys or whatever it is bored me to a greater extent.
Was disappointed with Salvataion, we'd only seen tantalising glimpses of the future war till that point so the promise of a whole movie about it got me pretty excited plus it had Christian Bale in it, how could they go wrong? Unfortunately the plot was a load of crap. Instead of concentrating on John Connor, the leader of the resistance and main man, they spent 3/4 of the movie following some cyborg character reducing Connor\Bale to a bit part.
The actions scenes weren't that great either, where were the all out battles? All in all given the potential it was a huge let down.
The actions scenes weren't that great either, where were the all out battles? All in all given the potential it was a huge let down.
gregs656 said:
It’s a shame the 3rd best film in the franchise is going to be the one to kill it.
If you compare DF to Hobbs and Shaw for example there is no good reason why H&S should be one of the top 10 highest grossing movies of the year and DF is a total flop.
Someone earlier on said they didn't overdo the feminist angle, but the poster for the movie seems to be saying you can expect the same cr*p you will from most other modern movies.If you compare DF to Hobbs and Shaw for example there is no good reason why H&S should be one of the top 10 highest grossing movies of the year and DF is a total flop.
Butch Lesbian woman
Diversity hire
Token male (geriatric)
Telling the audience to expect what they got from the Men in Black remake, or the Ghostbusters remake, or so much other modern rubbish.
The F&F franchise has hot babes and men who don't apologise for having balls. Similarly when they rebooted Jurassic park and that became a big hit they didn't go all political either. Basically what I am trying to say is that people go the cinema to have a fun time not to sit through a party political broadcast and the casting and marketing of Terminator: Dark Fate suggests you are in for the latter.
JagLover said:
Similarly when they rebooted Jurassic park and that became a big hit they didn't go all political either. Basically what I am trying to say is that people go the cinema to have a fun time not to sit through a party political broadcast and the casting and marketing of Terminator: Dark Fate suggests you are in for the latter.
I wouldn't be surprised in JW3 flops. JW2 was a pig's breakfast, like Last Jedi. Usually the form is after a messy/shte film the next one is hit hard. SOlo flopped yugely, in part to how bad Jedi was. Terminator Geneysis was equally offensive, and this latest bad T film has flopped. If this latest T film had been something special, it might have reversed the trend, but it wasn't. Hopefully the T franchise will now be allowed to die, alongside ALiens and Predator.JagLover said:
Someone earlier on said they didn't overdo the feminist angle, but the poster for the movie seems to be saying you can expect the same cr*p you will from most other modern movies.
Butch Lesbian woman
Diversity hire
Token male (geriatric)
Telling the audience to expect what they got from the Men in Black remake, or the Ghostbusters remake, or so much other modern rubbish.
The F&F franchise has hot babes and men who don't apologise for having balls. Similarly when they rebooted Jurassic park and that became a big hit they didn't go all political either. Basically what I am trying to say is that people go the cinema to have a fun time not to sit through a party political broadcast and the casting and marketing of Terminator: Dark Fate suggests you are in for the latter.
That might be part of it. Butch Lesbian woman
Diversity hire
Token male (geriatric)
Telling the audience to expect what they got from the Men in Black remake, or the Ghostbusters remake, or so much other modern rubbish.
The F&F franchise has hot babes and men who don't apologise for having balls. Similarly when they rebooted Jurassic park and that became a big hit they didn't go all political either. Basically what I am trying to say is that people go the cinema to have a fun time not to sit through a party political broadcast and the casting and marketing of Terminator: Dark Fate suggests you are in for the latter.
In terms of shoe horned in message I think there was far more of it in H&S, although this didn't come across in the advertising.
H&S was advertised relentlessly for months and didn't do that well in North America, but did well in China where DF tanked.
DF wasn't advertised that strongly here.
Halb said:
JagLover said:
Similarly when they rebooted Jurassic park and that became a big hit they didn't go all political either. Basically what I am trying to say is that people go the cinema to have a fun time not to sit through a party political broadcast and the casting and marketing of Terminator: Dark Fate suggests you are in for the latter.
I wouldn't be surprised in JW3 flops. JW2 was a pig's breakfast, like Last Jedi. Usually the form is after a messy/shte film the next one is hit hard. SOlo flopped yugely, in part to how bad Jedi was. Terminator Geneysis was equally offensive, and this latest bad T film has flopped. If this latest T film had been something special, it might have reversed the trend, but it wasn't. Hopefully the T franchise will now be allowed to die, alongside ALiens and Predator.
t that has been written in the minds of damaged people with a very narrow prism of thought.The latest Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Terminator etc. are now almost unwatchable, they are so bad, the scripts are so child-like. Even top tier TV has the same treatment, Westworld springs to mind, and the less said about GoT, the better.
chris watton said:
It seems that the scriptwriting has been left to 12 year olds whose only education is indoctrination by a particularly overt communist leaning tutor, which has screwed their view of the world so much, it bares zero resemblance to reality. We are watching st that has been written in the minds of damaged people with a very narrow prism of thought.
The latest Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Terminator etc. are now almost unwatchable, they are so bad, the scripts are so child-like. Even top tier TV has the same treatment, Westworld springs to mind, and the less said about GoT, the better.
What I want to know is where has this new vein of ultra PC, "on-message" thing that Hollywood is now doing come from? You could argue that old Hollywood was in need of updating as it seemed to be caught in the past but now it's gone too far the other way, almost as if the whole film industry feels guilty for past misdemeanors and is now massively over compensating.t that has been written in the minds of damaged people with a very narrow prism of thought.The latest Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Terminator etc. are now almost unwatchable, they are so bad, the scripts are so child-like. Even top tier TV has the same treatment, Westworld springs to mind, and the less said about GoT, the better.
It now seems to be run by people of the same sensibility as Greta Thunberg were the message HAS to be shoved down our throats. Do these people actually live in the real world? I watch movies and TV to be entertained, not preached at.
I have a feeling this could massively backfire.
Guvernator said:
What I want to know is where has this new vein of ultra PC, "on-message" thing that Hollywood is now doing come from? You could argue that old Hollywood was in need of updating as it seemed to be caught in the past but now it's gone too far the other way, almost as if the whole film industry feels guilty for past misdemeanors and is now massively over compensating.
It now seems to be run by people of the same sensibility as Greta Thunberg were the message HAS to be shoved down our throats. Do these people actually live in the real world? I watch movies and TV to be entertained, not preached at.
I have a feeling this could massively backfire.
Well for a while now Hollywood movies have tended to have "positive" political messages and there is little wrong, or jarring, with that if they are principles most support. It now seems to be run by people of the same sensibility as Greta Thunberg were the message HAS to be shoved down our throats. Do these people actually live in the real world? I watch movies and TV to be entertained, not preached at.
I have a feeling this could massively backfire.
The problem now is partly a disconnect between popular culture and elite culture so whereas once Hollywood moguls had a keen sense of what the masses want often now they don't and secondly an overt politicisation of media that reviews TV shows and movies. Such that Studios know that if they put extremist political messages in their movies they are almost guaranteed positive media coverage.
The problem they have is firstly that audiences are wising up to it, and many don't trust MSM movie and TV reviews anymore, and secondly that this message has far less purchase in foreign markets and the global box office is becoming ever more important.
Edited by JagLover on Saturday 9th November 16:13
In the end, I do not care, as all I will do is save money by not buying the products or any merchandise associated with it. No skin off my nose. It does not stop my enjoyment of still watching the originals.
This is a little 'Marmite', but I feel he is correct when it comes to ruining what was once good, this is about Westworld, but could apply to mast new film or TV series made now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz-jPtLst1A
This is a little 'Marmite', but I feel he is correct when it comes to ruining what was once good, this is about Westworld, but could apply to mast new film or TV series made now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz-jPtLst1A
I want to know how it's possible, with all the rich source material, huge Hollywood a-listers and millions pumped into it, that Terminator Dark Fate can at best be described as "not as terrible as the others", yet elsewhere the industry manages to produce hilariously entertaining series like The Boys?
eltawater said:
I want to know how it's possible, with all the rich source material, huge Hollywood a-listers and millions pumped into it, that Terminator Dark Fate can at best be described as "not as terrible as the others", yet elsewhere the industry manages to produce hilariously entertaining series like The Boys?
Did you see the amount of people who worked on the script? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator:_Dark_Fat...
said:
with a screenplay by David Goyer, Justin Rhodes, and Billy Ray,[5] from a story by James Cameron, Charles H. Eglee, Josh Friedman, Goyer, and Rhodes.
... add to that the fact that Tim Miller no doubt stuck his ideas in and you get a mess.Plus of course, the PC-brigade mandated shoehorning of 'woke' themes into the mix never helps anything.
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