Terminator: Dark Fate

[Veeayt]

The new terminator (can't be bothered to look up his model) was so underdeveloped. It could have bee a new start for a beloved franchise. Perfect cast! This film could have been better, but it was ok. Nice to see brutal Arnie. He is unnecessary, but he's essential to this film.

[Squadrone Rosso]

Just seen it. Very good save the Subvee bit

[forrestgrump]

Matt_N said:

Saw it last night, how did Skynet keep sending Terminators back to kill John Connor if the only trace that could lead to Skynet being developed was destroyed in T2?

Edited by Matt_N on Saturday 9th November 09:17

Not to be too nerdy but Skynet could send a st load back in their present day to either different points in time, or all to the same time but in different locations, which the Terminator then travelled geographically from. Although to go full nerdy he actually left an arm behind in T2 that he tore off that got stuck in some gears or whatever, which we never saw be destroyed.

Dark Fate was alright, nothing special. T1 and T2 almost played out like horror films which is why they were so good, it was less about overall plot than it was protagonist v antagonist. By the time this has come around no one really gives a st about future robot wars, especially because we never did.

[Matt_N]

forrestgrump said:

Not to be too nerdy but Skynet could send a st load back in their present day to either different points in time, or all to the same time but in different locations, which the Terminator then travelled geographically from. Although to go full nerdy he actually left an arm behind in T2 that he tore off that got stuck in some gears or whatever, which we never saw be destroyed.

Good points.

I did think along those lines too but then the premise in T2 doesn’t really hint at multiple terminators being sent back, why didn’t the resistance send multiple protectors back too?

The arm isn’t really the key component, it’s the CPU hence why Arnie is melted down.

I guess it just felt a bit rushed and convenient to kill of John Connor in that way to suit the timeline and story of DF.

[irocfan]

forrestgrump said:

T1 and T2 almost played out like horror films which is why they were so good, it was less about overall plot than it was protagonist v antagonist. By the time this has come around no one really gives a st about future robot wars, especially because we never did.

I mentioned this to a work colleague today since I hadn't thought of T1 / 2 as a horror movie (and, yes I know, it still isn't) but viewed as horror trope it makes a lot more sense

[Catatafish]

Matt_N said:

Saw it last night, how did Skynet keep sending Terminators back to kill John Connor if the only trace that could lead to Skynet being developed was destroyed in T2?

Edited by Matt_N on Saturday 9th November 09:17

You don't need anything like a coherent plot these day...Oh no I've gone cross-eyed

[Halb]

I've posted this clip several times, but it's always worth a wheel out, basically, Georg knows his film history, and narrates how the Terminator films have changed over time; style, genre and execution.
How The Terminator Movies Have Changed
Georg Rockall-Schmidt
https://youtu.be/V-EnkrqOG-s
24mins

Georg said:

The Terminator series is probably one of the best known sci-fi movie franchises, it’s generated three billion dollars worth of income in its liftetime, about twice the nominal gdp of Saint Lucia. Thanks for that Wikipedia. It features not only five films, but also comic books, TV series, videogames, toys and other merchandise. Here I’m just looking at the films, and how they have inevitably changed over the 31 years the quintology has existed, and they have changed a lot.

[Guvernator]

I think the premise is that Skynet sent back multiple Terminators to varying points in time as an insurance policy, several T800's and one T1000. The resistance also did send back more than one protector. They sent Kyle Reese to protect Sarah Connor and a reprogrammed T800 to protect John.

To be honest it's all a bit of a flimsy excuse to keep churning out more films, oh look another time travelling terminator and protector that no one knew about!

Also the new Legion AI seems to think and work exactly the same as the Skynet AI that never was, even down to the exact same Terminator endoskeleton design which is a bit of a coincidence too far IMO.

Also they prevented Skynet from ever being built by blowing up the lab in T2 so who exactly is sending all these Terminators back in time? Skynet no longer exists in this new time line. The logic fails miserably if you think about it too hard.

[bloomen]

That was one of the slackest bits of story. No skynet and then they devoted a sentence or two to its replacement and then it wasn't mentioned again.

Removing one of the cornerstones of the franchise could use a tad more exposition.

[InitialDave]

It would actually be really interesting if Skynet was one of The old T800's motivations - If Legion comes to be, Skynet cannot, so defeating Legion becomes a "the enemy of my enemy" situation and rationalises helping.

[JagLover]

A massive drop in the second week of release and apparently it is forecast to now only make $300m worldwide.

A franchise killer by the looks of things.

Edited by JagLover on Friday 15th November 05:24

[IanH755]

JagLover said:

A franchise killer by the likes of things.

Completely expected by 95% of Terminator fans and the majority of "sci-fi" Fans. Even my "not fussed with that robot stuff" missus knew it was going to flop hard so it's no surprise to anyone.

[SpeedBash]

Iconic “Terminator 2” Locations w/ the T-1000, Robert Patrick | On Location |

[Halb]

amused

Voxis Productions
Smack Talk: Terminator Dark Fate & The Franchise Review
https://youtu.be/ewgd7oXeLKc