Blade runner 2049
Discussion
jsf said:
vsonix said:
OK... I guess that is actually a fairly plausible theory, and would explain the whole 'no eyes' thing.
You don't need eyes to check that though. for example they checked Rachels skeleton and found her serial number there, so a biopsy of a small sample can be checked easily, even if the eyes are not thereandy_s said:
HighwayStar said:
I mentioned earlier that there is scope for a 3rd... from plot lines touched on, Wallace's undeveloped back story, K's in the clearly bigger ultimate end.
It's all there...Denis Villeneuve has touched on the possible of a 3rd movie depending on the success of 2049... It's a great movie with limited appeal, beyond die hard Bladerunner fans, sci-fi geeks and the curious it's not doing great business. Hopefully it will make enough profit for the 3rd to be made. I'd imagine that would be the movie to bring the whole thing together.
I was reading somewhere (NYT?) that it was a very poor month for the box office across the board, with about 13% drop from the norm. I hope it's that rather than people not liking a long film without there being multiple phantasmagorical gunfights and cars with 16 gears.It's all there...Denis Villeneuve has touched on the possible of a 3rd movie depending on the success of 2049... It's a great movie with limited appeal, beyond die hard Bladerunner fans, sci-fi geeks and the curious it's not doing great business. Hopefully it will make enough profit for the 3rd to be made. I'd imagine that would be the movie to bring the whole thing together.
The 2 showings I went to were for from full... Put it this way... I've seen films, which were ultimately flops, with for more people at the screening.
Found this... nosing around seeing what the box office take is to date...
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bladerunne...
Edited by HighwayStar on Friday 3rd November 15:31
HighwayStar said:
Found this... nosing around seeing what the box office take is to date...
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bladerunne...
so if that's to be believed $243M gross revenue vs $150M production cost - how much of gross gets to the studio to repay the 150 it doesn't sayhttp://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bladerunne...
also I think studios spend almost as much on promo as they do on production
Adam B said:
HighwayStar said:
Found this... nosing around seeing what the box office take is to date...
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bladerunne...
so if that's to be believed $243M gross revenue vs $150M production cost - how much of gross gets to the studio to repay the 150 it doesn't sayhttp://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bladerunne...
also I think studios spend almost as much on promo as they do on production
joshleb said:
I watched this on Saturday night with the other half, I wanted to see Thor...
I thought it was ok, too long at the beginning and the end not long enough, I wanted more from the resistance and the meeting of Ford and Wallace(?).
Yes one of my main issues, it's not so much the slow pace that got me, although it was slow, it's just that it seemed to take ages to get going and then the ending felt very rushed. From meeting Deckard to the watery denouement just seems to happen far too quickly. Pacing was too inconsistent from glacially slow to rush rush rush. It's almost like they suddenly realised, sI thought it was ok, too long at the beginning and the end not long enough, I wanted more from the resistance and the meeting of Ford and Wallace(?).
t we've been here 3 hours and people might be getting restless\need to go to the loo, let's squeeze the ending into 5 minutes.Also as someone else mentioned, why leave K alive? There really was no point in taking that risk, surely they could guess that leaving him alive would mean he'd be back to try to save Deckard? Also the whole sky car battle sequence, over in 10 seconds with K outnumbered but seemingly able to take out his opposition without even breaking a sweat. Considering the importance of Deckard, you'd think they'd have put up more of a fight or protected him a bit better.
Baron Greenback said:
Good video at the bottom. My opinion of this film has gone up and up; I went to see it twice and I’d go again tomorrow if it was on.
It’s 100% a worthy successor to the original, and bear in mind what a hard act to follow that really was - I really suspect that when the original was made that they really didn’t know what they had created.
In a way I hope they don’t make any more, three on the bounce is too tall an order, and I’m happy that they didnt pander to the simple plot, big explosions, instant gratification crowd in the same way they could have increased its appeal by speeding it up or going for a lower age rating. As I’ve said before - I’ve waited over three decades for this, I don’t give a crap if it’s long, I intended to savour ever second.
Dog Star said:
Baron Greenback said:
Good video at the bottom. My opinion of this film has gone up and up; I went to see it twice and I’d go again tomorrow if it was on.
It’s 100% a worthy successor to the original, and bear in mind what a hard act to follow that really was - I really suspect that when the original was made that they really didn’t know what they had created.
In a way I hope they don’t make any more, three on the bounce is too tall an order, and I’m happy that they didnt pander to the simple plot, big explosions, instant gratification crowd in the same way they could have increased its appeal by speeding it up or going for a lower age rating. As I’ve said before - I’ve waited over three decades for this, I don’t give a crap if it’s long, I intended to savour ever second.
Totally agree, I’ve seen it twice, first in IMAX.
I loved every moment of it, watching it develop, waiting to see where it was going. The way it answered questions left at the end of the first movie but opens up new ones to be resolved.
I’m glad 2049 didn’t route one either like say Alien to Aliens. That would’ve been totally the wrong way to go with it, making it just like any other sci-fi action movie but then we get what we have, a movie that’s faithful to the original, but like that film of limited appeal to audiences who mostly don’t have the patience or interest to immerse themselves in it.
For those like me, who loved the film, I can also recommend the making-of book, The Art and Soul of Blade Runner 2049 - my copy arrived today and it's very good.
Also, there's a limited edition Bluray boxed set complete with a replica of Deckard's blaster! Not listed on Amazon UK but available to pre-order from other Amazon stores in Europe - I've pre-ordered from Amazon Italy.
Also, there's a limited edition Bluray boxed set complete with a replica of Deckard's blaster! Not listed on Amazon UK but available to pre-order from other Amazon stores in Europe - I've pre-ordered from Amazon Italy.
I ended up waiting until it came to my local cinema rather than going to the multiplexes (they have a great sound system and smallish but pin-sharp screen, and you can sit upstairs with a drink and medium popcorn and get change from a tenner!) so I've been carefully avoiding this thread and all reviews etc....
I loved it.
I really appreciated the slower nature of the film; I'm fed up of not following WTF is going on half the time in action films these days.
And being a little local cinema, they had stopped the film for a loo break half way through
Soundtrack... not bad, but not memorable.
The plot stayed very true to the questions and concerns from the original IMO.
Bautista was especially good, albeit all to brief. The 3 girls were all very very good, too.
Gosling I thought was subtle... and now we're off into spoiler land, along with my "buts"...
... his struggle to suppress emotion as he began to believe he might have a soul, or be closer to "human", was very well shown but very subtle; it was clear that he had these feelings all along but had never found licence within himself to admit them... and so all replicants must presumably be this way.
Joi will be the end of the human race anyway; why put up with a smelly, snoring, irritable real person, when everyone can have the perfect partner? Although I didn't see anywhere the equivalent male Joi (Boi?) for the ladies - the sexiness was very one-sided in every stage of the film.
Wallace was unexplained and unresolved on so many levels, as was his tech - he felt very much like a cult leader as seen in the way Luv was determined to prove herself to him. It was the only slight justification in what was her otherwise unrelenting evilness
The main plot failing I picked up on during the movie itself is .... an LAPD captain gets stabbed to death in her own office, and the whole LAPD promptly disappear from the plot??? If Wallace had the power to clamp down on questions there, he should have been able to shut the investigation down rather more discretely in the first place.
As others have said, a film which will stay in my head for a good long while and I think stands well with the original.
I loved it.
I really appreciated the slower nature of the film; I'm fed up of not following WTF is going on half the time in action films these days.
And being a little local cinema, they had stopped the film for a loo break half way through
Soundtrack... not bad, but not memorable.
The plot stayed very true to the questions and concerns from the original IMO.
Bautista was especially good, albeit all to brief. The 3 girls were all very very good, too.
Gosling I thought was subtle... and now we're off into spoiler land, along with my "buts"...
... his struggle to suppress emotion as he began to believe he might have a soul, or be closer to "human", was very well shown but very subtle; it was clear that he had these feelings all along but had never found licence within himself to admit them... and so all replicants must presumably be this way.
Joi will be the end of the human race anyway; why put up with a smelly, snoring, irritable real person, when everyone can have the perfect partner? Although I didn't see anywhere the equivalent male Joi (Boi?) for the ladies - the sexiness was very one-sided in every stage of the film.
Wallace was unexplained and unresolved on so many levels, as was his tech - he felt very much like a cult leader as seen in the way Luv was determined to prove herself to him. It was the only slight justification in what was her otherwise unrelenting evilness
The main plot failing I picked up on during the movie itself is .... an LAPD captain gets stabbed to death in her own office, and the whole LAPD promptly disappear from the plot??? If Wallace had the power to clamp down on questions there, he should have been able to shut the investigation down rather more discretely in the first place.
As others have said, a film which will stay in my head for a good long while and I think stands well with the original.
judas said:
Also, there's a limited edition Bluray boxed set complete with a replica of Deckard's blaster! Not listed on Amazon UK but available to pre-order from other Amazon stores in Europe - I've pre-ordered from Amazon Italy.
Waaaah! Want!Also worth watching - there are a few videos on YT which examine the props - especially the blasters, but Luv's virtual reality specs are shown and even the little nail artists trolley where she rests her arm while that bloke does something to them with a welder. The bloke who does them is a bit obsessive about the blasters and actually gets to see the original as well as the vidcom thing from Taffy Lewis's bar.
judas said:
For those like me, who loved the film, I can also recommend the making-of book, The Art and Soul of Blade Runner 2049 - my copy arrived today and it's very good.
Also, there's a limited edition Bluray boxed set complete with a replica of Deckard's blaster! Not listed on Amazon UK but available to pre-order from other Amazon stores in Europe - I've pre-ordered from Amazon Italy.
Saw this in local Waterstones and it's a big want but need to complete some commissions before I can get it. Also, there's a limited edition Bluray boxed set complete with a replica of Deckard's blaster! Not listed on Amazon UK but available to pre-order from other Amazon stores in Europe - I've pre-ordered from Amazon Italy.
Gorgeous colour pallette to the whole film. Kermode' s review with Mayo shows why it's such a good film, a bit about film school getting folk to clap when there has been an edit. 70's films it's a slow clap, today it's stacatto. This film wasn't afraid to breath and let each scene linger.
Proper old school enjoyment.
His review of justice league was the total opposite lol.
I’ve got the Blu-Ray pre-ordered for the 5th Feb delivery, however I’ve also got a decent quality dodgy copy I’ve watched in the meantime.
My estimation of it hasn’t gone down in any way - it’s a magnificent creation, the detail - you’d have done well to spot it on a first viewing, but that scene where Luv is having her fingernails done - look closely and they’re animated holograms of cute woodland creatures.
The opening Sony/Columbia etc sequence - I like how that flickers and corrupts, then goes dark then comes back. Clever. And listening to the bit just after where the eye opens with my sound system on very loud - the amp shut down with the display reading “protection”!!! Thought the house was coming down.
The soundtrack - I’m a big fan of the Vangelis original, but there’s stuff I don’t like on there too. The new soundtrack is almost as good - Vangelis edges it though mostly due to the end titles.
You need a bloody big TV and amp to do it justice though.
Im also glad I made the decision not to take my dad to see it - he’s a big fan of the original and was watching 2049 at home and non-stop questions and chatter (he’s in his 70s).
My estimation of it hasn’t gone down in any way - it’s a magnificent creation, the detail - you’d have done well to spot it on a first viewing, but that scene where Luv is having her fingernails done - look closely and they’re animated holograms of cute woodland creatures.
The opening Sony/Columbia etc sequence - I like how that flickers and corrupts, then goes dark then comes back. Clever. And listening to the bit just after where the eye opens with my sound system on very loud - the amp shut down with the display reading “protection”!!! Thought the house was coming down.
The soundtrack - I’m a big fan of the Vangelis original, but there’s stuff I don’t like on there too. The new soundtrack is almost as good - Vangelis edges it though mostly due to the end titles.
You need a bloody big TV and amp to do it justice though.
Im also glad I made the decision not to take my dad to see it - he’s a big fan of the original and was watching 2049 at home and non-stop questions and chatter (he’s in his 70s).
Just watched.
Loved it - loved the pacing as it allowed you to get lost on the scenes. Superbly shot and while not as brilliant as the first, I thought the soundtrack did a good job.
Interestingly, the wife like it more than the original - I like both for different reasons.
Will watch again.
Loved it - loved the pacing as it allowed you to get lost on the scenes. Superbly shot and while not as brilliant as the first, I thought the soundtrack did a good job.
Interestingly, the wife like it more than the original - I like both for different reasons.
Will watch again.
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