Blade runner 2049
Discussion
Tony Starks said:
And I didnt get the love interest element.
Do you mean the hologram girlfriend? I thought that was quite interesting. My interpretation is that the AI learned to say and do exactly what the owner wanted from it. So it would have learned to behave as though it was genuinely ‘in love’ with him. His reciprocal feelings could be his own emotional limitations as a replicant. Although this has been explored in other sci-fi recently, with men falling equally for AI women.
The giant advertising hologram of her was, I think, a reminder to him and the audience that she was a manufactured product that would fall just as in love with anyone who purchased her.
Of course, being artificial himself, he would have to question how real his own feelings are. And if his feelings are real, why not hers.
Over thinking it you say? This is what Blade Runner is all about.
Edited by SpudLink on Sunday 8th October 16:43
SpudLink said:
Do you mean the hologram girlfriend? I thought that was quite interesting.
My interpretation is that the AI learned to say and do exactly what the owner wanted from it. So it would have learned to behave as though it was genuinely ‘in love’ with him. His reciprocal feelings could be his own emotional limitations as a replicant. Although this has been explored in other sci-fi recently, with men falling equally for AI women.
The giant advertising hologram of her was, I think, a reminder to him and the audience that she was a manufactured product that would fall just as in love with anyone who purchased her.
Of course, being artificial himself, he would have to question how real his own feelings are. And if his feelings are real, why not hers.
Over thinking it you say? This is what Blade Runner is all about.
Exactly. It was interesting but underdone for me. My interpretation is that the AI learned to say and do exactly what the owner wanted from it. So it would have learned to behave as though it was genuinely ‘in love’ with him. His reciprocal feelings could be his own emotional limitations as a replicant. Although this has been explored in other sci-fi recently, with men falling equally for AI women.
The giant advertising hologram of her was, I think, a reminder to him and the audience that she was a manufactured product that would fall just as in love with anyone who purchased her.
Of course, being artificial himself, he would have to question how real his own feelings are. And if his feelings are real, why not hers.
Over thinking it you say? This is what Blade Runner is all about.
It harks back to the idea of mortality that drove the first film. In this case, Joi was effectively immortal, the AI was capable of emotion, and she could fall in love. But she wished she had the body of a mortal, and ultimately chose the risk of death just to be with him.
Given that there was so much exposition elsewhere in the 2:45 running time, I'd have preferred the two exploring the idea that she could die if she left the safety of the home hologram projector to go with him. After all, this is an AI who expects to outlive her companion - what about her psychology? But the immortality issue was all over in a throwaway "like a real girl" line.
I also think there was a huge missed opportunity to have used Joi's death as a sacrifice (mentioned several times as a replicant's way of showing humanity) as the way in which Gosling gets out of the hotel alive. Instead her remote control is simply squished (her having played no useful part at the hotel, IIRC) and we had the Bond-like nonsense of the baddest baddie imaginable leaving the hero of the movie wounded instead of finishing the job there and then.
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Edited by Escapegoat on Sunday 8th October 19:13
SpudLink said:
Do you mean the hologram girlfriend? I thought that was quite interesting.
My interpretation is that the AI learned to say and do exactly what the owner wanted from it. So it would have learned to behave as though it was genuinely ‘in love’ with him. His reciprocal feelings could be his own emotional limitations as a replicant. Although this has been explored in other sci-fi recently, with men falling equally for AI women.
The giant advertising hologram of her was, I think, a reminder to him and the audience that she was a manufactured product that would fall just as in love with anyone who purchased her.
Of course, being artificial himself, he would have to question how real his own feelings are. And if his feelings are real, why not hers.
Over thinking it you say? This is what Blade Runner is all about.
Woah careful chaps - this post started to get a bit close to giving away the plot (apologies if it didn’t as I stopped reading) as have some others. My interpretation is that the AI learned to say and do exactly what the owner wanted from it. So it would have learned to behave as though it was genuinely ‘in love’ with him. His reciprocal feelings could be his own emotional limitations as a replicant. Although this has been explored in other sci-fi recently, with men falling equally for AI women.
The giant advertising hologram of her was, I think, a reminder to him and the audience that she was a manufactured product that would fall just as in love with anyone who purchased her.
Of course, being artificial himself, he would have to question how real his own feelings are. And if his feelings are real, why not hers.
Over thinking it you say? This is what Blade Runner is all about.
Some of us haven’t seen it yet - I’m on holiday for another week.
Dog Star said:
Woah careful chaps - this post started to get a bit close to giving away the plot (apologies if it didn’t as I stopped reading) as have some others.
Some of us haven’t seen it yet - I’m on holiday for another week.
Sorry about that. I’ve belatedly added spoiler tags to my post. Some of us haven’t seen it yet - I’m on holiday for another week.
Watch the final cut without the voice over.
It's dated a bit, the background music is a bit invasive and some of the cinematics can be a bit sledgehammer (such as the dove at the end) but the tears in the rain speech is without equal.
Looking forward to seeing the new film but I hope I won't be disappointed.
It's dated a bit, the background music is a bit invasive and some of the cinematics can be a bit sledgehammer (such as the dove at the end) but the tears in the rain speech is without equal.
Looking forward to seeing the new film but I hope I won't be disappointed.
Caught the late showing last night on a MAXX screen.
First time viewing anything on a MAXX screen and glad it was this. Visually the film is stunning. I urge anyone to view it on as big a screen as they can. Sound was incredible too. Felt like the cinema was shaking to it's core when the vehicles were landing and taking off. Very impressed.
The film, hmmm, it's a difficult one to rate straight away. Like alot of poeple Blade Runner is a Top 5 film for me, watched dozens of times. The soundtrack is also listened to at least once a month (for the last thirty years). So, it's impossible not to have personal hopes and expectations for 2049 and the 5 star glowing reviews meant I was going in ready to be blown away.
Ok, it was definitely overlong. 20-30 minutes could have been trimmed for the theatrical release. I was losing patience at the two thirds mark for the lack of progression. And then the final 15 minutes...I was literally rolling my eyes at the story. I left the cinema disappointed and TBH a ilttle angry. How dare they ruin Blade Runner I was thinking
However, I'm starting to waver today. I've spent the day mulling it over and piecing things together, maybe it is alot better than my initial thoughts. I'm not sure now.
I think the jury is out until I watch it again in digital on the comfort of my own sofa.
First time viewing anything on a MAXX screen and glad it was this. Visually the film is stunning. I urge anyone to view it on as big a screen as they can. Sound was incredible too. Felt like the cinema was shaking to it's core when the vehicles were landing and taking off. Very impressed.
The film, hmmm, it's a difficult one to rate straight away. Like alot of poeple Blade Runner is a Top 5 film for me, watched dozens of times. The soundtrack is also listened to at least once a month (for the last thirty years). So, it's impossible not to have personal hopes and expectations for 2049 and the 5 star glowing reviews meant I was going in ready to be blown away.
Ok, it was definitely overlong. 20-30 minutes could have been trimmed for the theatrical release. I was losing patience at the two thirds mark for the lack of progression. And then the final 15 minutes...I was literally rolling my eyes at the story. I left the cinema disappointed and TBH a ilttle angry. How dare they ruin Blade Runner I was thinking
However, I'm starting to waver today. I've spent the day mulling it over and piecing things together, maybe it is alot better than my initial thoughts. I'm not sure now.
I think the jury is out until I watch it again in digital on the comfort of my own sofa.
I thought it was great, worryingly I tried rewatching the original the day before but gave up after about 40 minutes. I think the recent ghost in the shell film has ruined the feel of Blade Runner for me. I was dreading 2049 being another poor copy but they managed to introduce originality but still tie it in. I liked how all the screens and other devices had a physical depth to them, flatscreens seem to have not been invented in the Blade Runner universe. Some very subtle special effects in the new film, especially the virtual girlfriend.
9/10 for me.
9/10 for me.
Gary C said:
Watch the final cut without the voice over.
It's dated a bit, the background music is a bit invasive and some of the cinematics can be a bit sledgehammer (such as the dove at the end) but the tears in the rain speech is without equal.
Looking forward to seeing the new film but I hope I won't be disappointed.
We watched the FC the night before and visually the remaster was stunning, i found the bass in the soundtrack a bit distracting until I realised one of the kids had cranked my subs volume up to max. It's dated a bit, the background music is a bit invasive and some of the cinematics can be a bit sledgehammer (such as the dove at the end) but the tears in the rain speech is without equal.
Looking forward to seeing the new film but I hope I won't be disappointed.
But that was one of my gripes with the new one. The bass was too intrusive. But my local cinema hasn't had any sound updates since it was built in the 80s. The only reason we watched 2049 in 3D is for the better picture.
Saw this Saturday night. 10 / 10 for me. A worthy successor.
They told a new story, only peripherally connected to the original, but with plenty of homages. Harrison Ford was excellent as was the entire cast, IMO. The ladies of the cast were amazing: I'll admit they had Darryl Hannah as the bar but wow...
Long, but not overlong, as the story hung together properly.
All the better for Ridley Scott [b]not[/i] directing it. (Your powers grow weak, old man.)
They told a new story, only peripherally connected to the original, but with plenty of homages. Harrison Ford was excellent as was the entire cast, IMO. The ladies of the cast were amazing: I'll admit they had Darryl Hannah as the bar but wow...
Long, but not overlong, as the story hung together properly.
All the better for Ridley Scott [b]not[/i] directing it. (Your powers grow weak, old man.)
Saw this on Saturday,
lets get the goods bits out the way,
Soundtrack,
Story line.
That's it.
the film was meant to be 21yrs after the first one, but in the original the futuristic technology was amazing, but in this latest version there was nothing mind blowing, the scenes were drawn out too much, the dialogue was poor, the action and fight scenes weak,
Film was way to long could have been cut down by half.
3 out of 10
if you haven't watched it or the original, then only watch the original. and be blown away.
lets get the goods bits out the way,
Soundtrack,
Story line.
That's it.
the film was meant to be 21yrs after the first one, but in the original the futuristic technology was amazing, but in this latest version there was nothing mind blowing, the scenes were drawn out too much, the dialogue was poor, the action and fight scenes weak,
Film was way to long could have been cut down by half.
3 out of 10
if you haven't watched it or the original, then only watch the original. and be blown away.
MURRAY007 said:
Saw this on Saturday,
lets get the goods bits out the way,
Soundtrack,
Story line.
That's it.
the film was meant to be 21yrs after the first one, but in the original the futuristic technology was amazing, but in this latest version there was nothing mind blowing, the scenes were drawn out too much, the dialogue was poor, the action and fight scenes weak,
Film was way to long could have been cut down by half.
3 out of 10
if you haven't watched it or the original, then only watch the original. and be blown away.
Horses for courses and that, but I thought the set pieces and attention to detail were incredible. The lighting, the mood, everything were so in-depth. And with the technology, it was a fairly good mix I felt, rather than it being mental amounts of technology, it seemed to be more believable AI/Holo technology mixed with some old tech. lets get the goods bits out the way,
Soundtrack,
Story line.
That's it.
the film was meant to be 21yrs after the first one, but in the original the futuristic technology was amazing, but in this latest version there was nothing mind blowing, the scenes were drawn out too much, the dialogue was poor, the action and fight scenes weak,
Film was way to long could have been cut down by half.
3 out of 10
if you haven't watched it or the original, then only watch the original. and be blown away.
MURRAY007 said:
Saw this on Saturday,
lets get the goods bits out the way,
Soundtrack,
Story line.
That's it.
the film was meant to be 21yrs after the first one, but in the original the futuristic technology was amazing, but in this latest version there was nothing mind blowing, the scenes were drawn out too much, the dialogue was poor, the action and fight scenes weak,
Film was way to long could have been cut down by half.
3 out of 10
if you haven't watched it or the original, then only watch the original. and be blown away.
The whole point about both films is you don't see the most advanced technology. We've colonised space, earth is a rusting, corrupted hole, we get the dregs of technology. And even in the descriptions and dreams of it, the glittering C beams and the silly unicorn, are they real or are they fabricated memories?lets get the goods bits out the way,
Soundtrack,
Story line.
That's it.
the film was meant to be 21yrs after the first one, but in the original the futuristic technology was amazing, but in this latest version there was nothing mind blowing, the scenes were drawn out too much, the dialogue was poor, the action and fight scenes weak,
Film was way to long could have been cut down by half.
3 out of 10
if you haven't watched it or the original, then only watch the original. and be blown away.
Blade runner 2049
After weeks of hype - superlative reviews - saying it was better than the first one , a masterpiece etc etc I must admit I was almost dreading going and then to end up disappointed
I wasn’t - for me the film was simply fantastic and exactly what I hoped for and more - however it’s such a different kind of movie to traditional sci-fi and action fare that it won’t appeal to everyone - it’s pace is not what we are used to nowadays in the age of insta-gratification and I suspect many will get bored - i did expect my son to be bored but he wasn’t - he loved it but it really was vital to see the first movie which we did last week (without giving any spoilers - you need to see the first one !)
Another nice surprise was Ryan Gosling who I thought would bore me - he didn’t and played his very interesting part well
if you liked the first one you will love this (clearly not true from the above!) - if you didn’t like the first one I doubt you will like this -If you saw it when you were a teenager and didn’t like it , watch the first one and give this a chance, - so much of both movies resonate with life, values , technology and love , I think it’s an essential watch
shortest 2.44 hrs ive had for a while..
deffo also see it in Imax if possible-
After weeks of hype - superlative reviews - saying it was better than the first one , a masterpiece etc etc I must admit I was almost dreading going and then to end up disappointed
I wasn’t - for me the film was simply fantastic and exactly what I hoped for and more - however it’s such a different kind of movie to traditional sci-fi and action fare that it won’t appeal to everyone - it’s pace is not what we are used to nowadays in the age of insta-gratification and I suspect many will get bored - i did expect my son to be bored but he wasn’t - he loved it but it really was vital to see the first movie which we did last week (without giving any spoilers - you need to see the first one !)
Another nice surprise was Ryan Gosling who I thought would bore me - he didn’t and played his very interesting part well
if you liked the first one you will love this (clearly not true from the above!) - if you didn’t like the first one I doubt you will like this -If you saw it when you were a teenager and didn’t like it , watch the first one and give this a chance, - so much of both movies resonate with life, values , technology and love , I think it’s an essential watch
shortest 2.44 hrs ive had for a while..
deffo also see it in Imax if possible-
Just got back from seeing it in normal rather than 3D. I enjoyed it tremendously. Big fan of the first film, but this is watchable if you have no previous history. The wife even enjoyed it and she's never seen the original or read a single sci fi book, she generally avoids the genre.
I think it's a must see on the big screen. The soundtrack fits, the hologram effects are stunning, and it ties in nicely altho not directly as a follow up, it can stand on it's own.
I'd go again, to try the 3D version now!
Didn't feel over long, was about right for me given the story to be told.
Justice done.
I think it's a must see on the big screen. The soundtrack fits, the hologram effects are stunning, and it ties in nicely altho not directly as a follow up, it can stand on it's own.
I'd go again, to try the 3D version now!
Didn't feel over long, was about right for me given the story to be told.
Justice done.
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