Blade runner 2049
Discussion
I went to see this yesterday. I'd rewatched the original last week, many years after last seeing it. It reminded me that whilst I loved the 'world' the story was thin and for me personally it did not live up to the hype of a cult movie.
2049 was very different in that it presented a much larger story and expanded the world (if not always explaining it). The pacing, as others have discussed, is diversive with some enjoying the time it takes to allow everything to breath and others getting bored. I'm more on the first option for this as even when the action paused the world looked stunning.
I was pleased they didn't take the obvious route with K/Joe.
For me, one of the rare better than the original films.
2049 was very different in that it presented a much larger story and expanded the world (if not always explaining it). The pacing, as others have discussed, is diversive with some enjoying the time it takes to allow everything to breath and others getting bored. I'm more on the first option for this as even when the action paused the world looked stunning.
I was pleased they didn't take the obvious route with K/Joe.
For me, one of the rare better than the original films.
Plot question:
The plot basically turns on Deckard and Rachel, having moved to a remote area, have a baby. They have the foresight to recognise that this will be of interest to various nefarious types so he leaves her, the love of his life, before she gives birth to live in isolation while Rachel dies in childbirth and the kid is put in an orphanage. Meanwhile someone (Deckard?) wipes various records etc. to ensure the child isn't found.
Why didn't they just disappear together when they found out she was pregnant?
The plot basically turns on Deckard and Rachel, having moved to a remote area, have a baby. They have the foresight to recognise that this will be of interest to various nefarious types so he leaves her, the love of his life, before she gives birth to live in isolation while Rachel dies in childbirth and the kid is put in an orphanage. Meanwhile someone (Deckard?) wipes various records etc. to ensure the child isn't found.
Why didn't they just disappear together when they found out she was pregnant?
Dog Star said:
Woah careful chaps - this post started to get a bit close to giving away the plot (apologies if it didn’t as I stopped reading) as have some others.
Some of us haven’t seen it yet - I’m on holiday for another week.
Probably best you don't check into a thread which is discussing a film that has been out for a few days now then?Some of us haven’t seen it yet - I’m on holiday for another week.
Reviews by their very nature will give spoilers, you can't expect everyone to either hold their breath or spoiler tag everything in a specific thread about the film.
I went to see it last night.
I loved the original and though this was a worthy successor. Not the best film ever made, but it continued the story and themes well from the original.
The technology shown was pitched just right IMO - 21 years on from the original things have progressed a bit but not massively. If you compare our current visible tech with that of 1996 it isn't massively different - TVs are thinner, and we've got mobile phones and tablets, but otherwise much is the same.
I loved the original and though this was a worthy successor. Not the best film ever made, but it continued the story and themes well from the original.
The technology shown was pitched just right IMO - 21 years on from the original things have progressed a bit but not massively. If you compare our current visible tech with that of 1996 it isn't massively different - TVs are thinner, and we've got mobile phones and tablets, but otherwise much is the same.
I saw it last night, it's a solid 8/10 for me.
It's a stunning film, the claustrophobia of the first film is there but 2049 expands upon that showing us a wonderfully rendered vision of other areas of the future world.
The soundtrack was a little overpowering for me in places, very Arrival-esque with massive bass whoomphs and synth, it didn't have the elegance of the original Vangelis score.
Onto the feature itself, for me the film is primarily about the questions that go un-answered leaving you to make your own mind up, how deep you go trying the unravel the meaning of humanity, having a soul, love etc.
The underlying themes from both the novel and original film are there, animals being a key one. In the novel Deckard has an android sheep (hence the title) that him and his wife cherish, later in the book he buys a real goat, I liked the scene with Gaff making his origami sheep or goat, a subtle book reference. Deckard's bees and dog, are they real or not, we don't know, the land is baron and wasted but radioactivity was nominal, is life slowly returning to the planet after the fallout?
Bar Jared Leto I think the cast did a fine job, the risk was that Ford would steal the show but I think Gosling pulled it off, you feel the connection to his character, the emotion whether programmed or real is there.
Reflecting the twist is well signposted but it wasn't until K's meeting with Freysa that it clicked, a second viewing would probably pick up on more of the clues and direction the story is going.
It's a stunning film, the claustrophobia of the first film is there but 2049 expands upon that showing us a wonderfully rendered vision of other areas of the future world.
The soundtrack was a little overpowering for me in places, very Arrival-esque with massive bass whoomphs and synth, it didn't have the elegance of the original Vangelis score.
Onto the feature itself, for me the film is primarily about the questions that go un-answered leaving you to make your own mind up, how deep you go trying the unravel the meaning of humanity, having a soul, love etc.
The underlying themes from both the novel and original film are there, animals being a key one. In the novel Deckard has an android sheep (hence the title) that him and his wife cherish, later in the book he buys a real goat, I liked the scene with Gaff making his origami sheep or goat, a subtle book reference. Deckard's bees and dog, are they real or not, we don't know, the land is baron and wasted but radioactivity was nominal, is life slowly returning to the planet after the fallout?
Bar Jared Leto I think the cast did a fine job, the risk was that Ford would steal the show but I think Gosling pulled it off, you feel the connection to his character, the emotion whether programmed or real is there.
Reflecting the twist is well signposted but it wasn't until K's meeting with Freysa that it clicked, a second viewing would probably pick up on more of the clues and direction the story is going.
boyse7en said:
The technology shown was pitched just right IMO - 21 years on from the original things have progressed a bit but not massively. If you compare our current visible tech with that of 1996 it isn't massively different - TVs are thinner, and we've got mobile phones and tablets, but otherwise much is the same.
I agree too, another posted picked up on it earlier, focus has shifted to off-world colonisation, we don't have that insight into new planet life and how tech has advanced, which with the latest Nexus models it obviously has.boyse7en said:
The technology shown was pitched just right IMO - 21 years on from the original things have progressed a bit but not massively. If you compare our current visible tech with that of 1996 it isn't massively different - TVs are thinner, and we've got mobile phones and tablets, but otherwise much is the same.
On a side note ( and of interest ) -1996 v 2017 ( that chip is far faster - 600 billion v trillion etc ) , crazy stuff.
Matt_N said:
... for me the film is primarily about the questions that go un-answered leaving you to make your own mind up, how deep you go trying the unravel the meaning of humanity, having a soul, love etc.
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I completely agree. One of the things that gave the original such longevity is that it left questions unanswered. ...
kev1974 said:
So did anyone else think "s
tting Peugeot!" when their logo appeared 
I did! Was quite surprised, thought Peugeot were a bit niche in the US. K's police car was a Peugeot too. tting Peugeot!" when their logo appeared I saw it tonight, 8/10. Long but worthwhile. There were only 8 of us in a big screen Odeon, with one walkout. Only once before have I ever seen it so desolate, where it was just me and my daughter for a matinee showing of Despicable me 2 on it's last day.
Looked great and most of the moody atmosphere sat well with the original. Score wasn't so much of a score really, it was good, but not on par with that of Vangelis. Thought the plot was decent, no more or less. The acting was great, particularly that of Gosling and Ford. Jared Leto on the other hand, I didn't really know what he was on about most of the time. Not sure if that was down to the script or him. The guy is talented, but it didn't work here.
To those who haven't, watch the original. See this if you enjoy it.
I won’t be able to see the film til I’m back off my holidays, however I’ve been listening to the soundtrack on Spotify.
It has all the right cues - the massive thumping bass and synths of the original. I can tell it’ll sound awesome. I think, however it’s unfair to compare with the Vangelis (let’s not forget OMD too) soundtrack - you could listen to that as a stand-alone bit of music while driving to work, not so with 2049. For me it’ll be whether it works in the context of the film - I have high hopes as I’m a big fan of Zimmer.
I have yet to find out what the Elvis and Sinatra tracks are about though.
It has all the right cues - the massive thumping bass and synths of the original. I can tell it’ll sound awesome. I think, however it’s unfair to compare with the Vangelis (let’s not forget OMD too) soundtrack - you could listen to that as a stand-alone bit of music while driving to work, not so with 2049. For me it’ll be whether it works in the context of the film - I have high hopes as I’m a big fan of Zimmer.
I have yet to find out what the Elvis and Sinatra tracks are about though.
Instant mid-credits gut reaction to that was that this was absolutely magnificent.
Having had time to think about it, I'm not much changed from that. This really is a worthwhile sequel, doesn't st on the original, continues the themes, throws in some genuinely affectionate echoes without hammering you in the face with them and even the much-criticised soundtrack went down OK with me. I don't want them to re-run the original, it needed to be it's own film, and it really is.
Obviously if you voted for Trump or Brexit, you'll be bored.
/derails thread
Having had time to think about it, I'm not much changed from that. This really is a worthwhile sequel, doesn't s
t on the original, continues the themes, throws in some genuinely affectionate echoes without hammering you in the face with them and even the much-criticised soundtrack went down OK with me. I don't want them to re-run the original, it needed to be it's own film, and it really is.Obviously if you voted for Trump or Brexit, you'll be bored.
/derails thread
200Plus Club said:
Mothersruin said:
Fancy seeing this next week.
What's the consensus - 3D or not?
im tempted back to see it in 3D however the last time i watched one in 3D i felt woozy after, and i'm glad i saw this in normal vision. What's the consensus - 3D or not?
I would like to say that it made things like the rubbish dump have tremendous depth and scale, and all the hologrammy / virtual girlfriend / weird combined virtual girlfriend scene look amazing, which they did; but then I haven't seen the 2D version so for all I know, they all looked amazing in 2D as well!
The only scene it was a bit annoying on was the heavy snowfall, but that always looks terrible in 3D, it never has enough layers to look like real snow falling.
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