SAS: Who Dares Wins

[Scabutz]

It always amazes me how many people turn up completely unprepared for it. Think it was last season where most of the people were muscle bound gym bunnies who had fk all endurance.

I know the location was probably secret when they signed up. But when Billy put on IG that they were filming it and asking people to guess where I worked it would be a) cold and b) mountainous. Although I guessed the Rockies so not completely correct.

The fireman chap seems so far to have it nailed. Hes a big lad to be sure but seems to have the endurance as well.

[jammy-git]

Scabutz said:

It always amazes me how many people turn up completely unprepared for it. Think it was last season where most of the people were muscle bound gym bunnies who had fk all endurance.

This.

I don't get why a guy who quits on religious grounds is any worse than a gym freak with no stamina? Both are unsuitable for the course, both flake out within hours, both rob someone better suited of the opportunity.

[V8mate]

jammy-git said:

Scabutz said:

It always amazes me how many people turn up completely unprepared for it. Think it was last season where most of the people were muscle bound gym bunnies who had fk all endurance.

This.

I don't get why a guy who quits on religious grounds is any worse than a gym freak with no stamina? Both are unsuitable for the course, both flake out within hours, both rob someone better suited of the opportunity.

It's a test of physical and mental stamina. Someone who has trained incorrectly has at least prepared and given it a go. Someone who opts out because their imaginary sky fairy might be offended is just a tt.

[Ayahuasca]

V8mate said:

Someone who opts out because their imaginary sky fairy might be offended is just a tt.

To be fair, in previous shows there was no requirement to defecate next to a female, and I am not sure he was briefed that there could be such close proximity. In the real SAS/SBS there isn't. At the end of the day it is a game show so why compromise deeply held beliefs for a game show?

Someone who doesn't understand that not all people think alike is just a tt.

[WinstonWolf]

Scabutz said:

Muncher said:

If I recall rightly from his book he said that he wasn’t bothered by women being allowed in the SF because, based on what women had achieved thus far in terms of physical performance in selection exercises, they had very little chance of ever making the grade.

Yeah. The argument he had on Twitter was about not making it easier for women. They had to pass the same course as men. He has also said that he thinks there is no benefit to having women in.

They shouldn't make it any easier for women, this is the best of the best. I'll be seriously impressed with any woman who does make the grade though

[P-Jay]

Scabutz said:

It always amazes me how many people turn up completely unprepared for it. Think it was last season where most of the people were muscle bound gym bunnies who had fk all endurance.

I know the location was probably secret when they signed up. But when Billy put on IG that they were filming it and asking people to guess where I worked it would be a) cold and b) mountainous. Although I guessed the Rockies so not completely correct.

The fireman chap seems so far to have it nailed. Hes a big lad to be sure but seems to have the endurance as well.

I'm absolutely sure the producers choose contestants on their likelihood of being interesting to watch rather than picking the one mostly likely to pass.

The world is full of delusional types who think they're Jason Borne, Gym Bunnies who think Tough Mudder is the last word in hardcore, CrossFit bores who think filling their Insta with picture of hand blisters is interesting etc.

[daddy cool]

Ayahuasca said:

To be fair, in previous shows there was no requirement to defecate next to a female, and I am not sure he was briefed that there could be such close proximity. In the real SAS/SBS there isn't. At the end of the day it is a game show so why compromise deeply held beliefs for a game show?

Don't (nice, peaceful) muslims say their religion is against killing? And don't the SAS kill quite a few people... and in recent year, probably quite a high % of muslim?
If so, you could argue hes being a bit hypocritical taking part in a programme which - as we know - isn't actually an entry test into the SAS, but certainly glorifies the Regiment. He seemed to be able to compromise his beliefs enough to get that far.
He could have opted for a million other things that focused purely on physical ability, rather than a military focus.

[WestyCarl]

P-Jay said:

Scabutz said:

It always amazes me how many people turn up completely unprepared for it. Think it was last season where most of the people were muscle bound gym bunnies who had fk all endurance.

I know the location was probably secret when they signed up. But when Billy put on IG that they were filming it and asking people to guess where I worked it would be a) cold and b) mountainous. Although I guessed the Rockies so not completely correct.

The fireman chap seems so far to have it nailed. Hes a big lad to be sure but seems to have the endurance as well.

I'm absolutely sure the producers choose contestants on their likelihood of being interesting to watch rather than picking the one mostly likely to pass.

Agreed with being good TV. However I'd wager a lot are fit and strong in the gym, but the shock of being outside in difficult conditions with alot of shouting and people beasting you can, I suspect, very easily get in your head.

[Mothersruin]

ewolg said:

Halb said:

religious fking prick, he's taken a spot off someone who deserved to be there.

Happened last year too I think. If you get upset because of your imaginary friend, don't take part in something real..

Box ticking exercise during the production phase I'd imagine.

[Ayahuasca]

daddy cool said:

Ayahuasca said:

To be fair, in previous shows there was no requirement to defecate next to a female, and I am not sure he was briefed that there could be such close proximity. In the real SAS/SBS there isn't. At the end of the day it is a game show so why compromise deeply held beliefs for a game show?

Don't (nice, peaceful) muslims say their religion is against killing? And don't the SAS kill quite a few people... and in recent year, probably quite a high % of muslim?
If so, you could argue hes being a bit hypocritical taking part in a programme which - as we know - isn't actually an entry test into the SAS, but certainly glorifies the Regiment. He seemed to be able to compromise his beliefs enough to get that far.
He could have opted for a million other things that focused purely on physical ability, rather than a military focus.

Pretty sure that most serving members of HM forces will have ticked 'C of E' on their application forms, that Church Parades are still a Thing, that old regimental colours still hang in cathedrals and regimental chapels, that every member of HM forces swears allegiance to someone who is also the head of the Church of England, and that 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' is one of the top Christian commandments but still let's lose no opportunity to have a bash at muslims. Innit.

[SGirl]

V8mate said:

It was a case of strong editing - and bear in mind that the editing will have been done after the full two week exercise had been completed.

There were plenty of shots of chaps moving along with their heads hanging. I'm pretty sure the editors will have started with a heavy focus on the girls for us, later in the series, to see a couple flourish, just like only a couple of men will reach the latter stages.

I wish they'd be a bit more careful with the editing, actually. In one shot, there was a woman sitting with her head in her hands, then in the next shot from a slightly different angle she was in much the same position, but minus her armband. Then the armband reappeared, and a minute or so later she VWed. Talk about a spoiler.

[Halb]

V8mate said:

It's a test of physical and mental stamina. Someone who has trained incorrectly has at least prepared and given it a go. Someone who opts out because their imaginary sky fairy might be offended is just a tt.

exactly. People train, using the moniker 'gym-bunny' as a pejorative is a bit disingenuous. THey are trying to compete...whereas some st who believes in twaddle walks out immediately, pretty disgraceful. the guy didn't even try to argue with him that much, most likely because he knew it was horsest

[Not-The-Messiah]

Halb said:

V8mate said:

It's a test of physical and mental stamina. Someone who has trained incorrectly has at least prepared and given it a go. Someone who opts out because their imaginary sky fairy might be offended is just a tt.

exactly. People train, using the moniker 'gym-bunny' as a pejorative is a bit disingenuous. THey are trying to compete...whereas some st who believes in twaddle walks out immediately, pretty disgraceful. the guy didn't even try to argue with him that much, most likely because he knew it was horsest

To me it wasn't the fact he walk off its the reason he did that bothers me, he feels that it's wrong for males and females to closely cohabitate.

To me it's just another example how incompatible his faith is with rest of western society.

He wasn't just on the wrong program he's in the wrong century.

[Ayahuasca]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Halb said:

V8mate said:

It's a test of physical and mental stamina. Someone who has trained incorrectly has at least prepared and given it a go. Someone who opts out because their imaginary sky fairy might be offended is just a tt.

exactly. People train, using the moniker 'gym-bunny' as a pejorative is a bit disingenuous. THey are trying to compete...whereas some st who believes in twaddle walks out immediately, pretty disgraceful. the guy didn't even try to argue with him that much, most likely because he knew it was horsest

To me it wasn't the fact he walk off its the reason he did that bothers me, he feels that it's wrong for males and females to closely cohabitate.

To me it's just another example how incompatible his faith is with rest of western society.

He wasn't just on the wrong program he's in the wrong century.

So in 21st century Britain it is the done thing for men and women to poo next to each other?

Next time you visit a public lavatory can I suggest you put your 21st century values to the test and use the Ladies? Please do tell us how acceptable it was.

[Halb]

Not-The-Messiah said:

To me it wasn't the fact he walk off its the reason he did that bothers me, he feels that it's wrong for males and females to closely cohabitate.
To me it's just another example how incompatible his faith is with rest of western society.
He wasn't just on the wrong program he's in the wrong century.

If he'd have swallowed his pride and got on with it, there wouldn't be an issue. People have the privilege to believe what they like, if he stay'd on and gave it his all, then what's the issue?

[98elise]

Ayahuasca said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Halb said:

V8mate said:

It's a test of physical and mental stamina. Someone who has trained incorrectly has at least prepared and given it a go. Someone who opts out because their imaginary sky fairy might be offended is just a tt.

exactly. People train, using the moniker 'gym-bunny' as a pejorative is a bit disingenuous. THey are trying to compete...whereas some st who believes in twaddle walks out immediately, pretty disgraceful. the guy didn't even try to argue with him that much, most likely because he knew it was horsest

To me it wasn't the fact he walk off its the reason he did that bothers me, he feels that it's wrong for males and females to closely cohabitate.

To me it's just another example how incompatible his faith is with rest of western society.

He wasn't just on the wrong program he's in the wrong century.

So in 21st century Britain it is the done thing for men and women to poo next to each other?

Next time you visit a public lavatory can I suggest you put your 21st century values to the test and use the Ladies? Please do tell us how acceptable it was.

It's also not the done thing in 21st century Britain to be mentally and physically bullied, let alone be subject to tough interrogation.

[Ayahuasca]

Will be grim for the Swedish female SF member is she starts to suffer later in the course. The pressure on her to pass must be quite strong.

[V8mate]

Ayahuasca said:

Will be grim for the Swedish female SF member is she starts to suffer later in the course. The pressure on her to pass must be quite strong.

In the past, the mole has withdrawn as the field starts to narrow, leaving just the bona fide participants.

[Mothersruin]

Ayahuasca said:

Will be grim for the Swedish female SF member is she starts to suffer later in the course. The pressure on her to pass must be quite strong.

IIRC, in a previous series they had an Ex-Bootie who was a mate of the DS and he was used as a mole, but also for psychological leverage. He was looked as being strong by the other candidates and he jacked it in which then pushed one or two to VW as well.

[Taff107]

CardinalBlue said:

Went to 'An Evening with Ant Middleton' last night in Leeds. Having not been to one of these things before, I didn't know what to expect. He's still bound by the Secrets Act, so it's mainly about the shows than life in the Special Forces itself - first half mainly about SAS Who Dares Wins, second half mainly about Mutiny.

I enjoyed it. Funnier than expected, although there were parts he could have been seen as coming across as a bit arrogant. If you like the show, and he's local to you then I'd recommend going.

He's set to climb Everest the week after his tour finishes for his next Channel 4 show, which will be interesting.

Ooh would you look at that. A bit late but what a small world etc....
Having found out I had recently left the forces, we had quite a long chat 'backstage' before it. Really decent and down to earth guy