Solo: A Star Wars Story
Discussion
Halb said:
that's good, purely as a terrible pun, I take no pleasure from the reality.
whole thing has left me disenfranchised, I'm now more interested in the battles fought in the cinema and in the writers room, and how it rolls on.
It's a double edged sword.whole thing has left me disenfranchised, I'm now more interested in the battles fought in the cinema and in the writers room, and how it rolls on.
Turn out for Solo and validate the fan disrespect and SJW crap they are peddling.
Boycot and potentially sink any movies than may be along similar lines to Solo and half decent.
I take no pleasure either.
I have payed so much into the Star Wars universe. I have bought the movies multiple times on VHS, Special editions, DVD, Blu Ray - I have quite a selection of SW lego, a replica light sabre, a picture of the Millenium Falcon on my study wall etc. It's annoying that i'm suddenly considered 'out of favour' just because I happened to be born white with a dick.
Even if the accusation of white washing can be leveled at SW of the past - the people who made those decisions are sitting pretty on the $millions/$billions the SW universe has earn't and are still very much part of the back slapping Hollywood elite that Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson all belong to.
Neither I nor any of the 'similarly furnished' fans who have been cast aside by this SJW crap played any part, yet we are the villains for saying "hang on a sec - what is this s
t?"RobDickinson said:
Tlj problems had nothing to do with the cast or gender.
Of course - even the best actors in the world can only work with the material they are given.That said - the casting choices have been clearly driven by an exercise in ticking boxes. Even JJ Abrams had the balls to admit as much.
Saw this today and was underwhelmed.
The main problem was the quality of the picture, murky, washed out with no contrast at all. Might have to check it out on blu-ray in a few months to see the true picture quality.
I tried to ignore all those issues and concentrate on the story but it was a bit dull to be honest. Its not terrible but I can't really recommend it either.
6/10
The main problem was the quality of the picture, murky, washed out with no contrast at all. Might have to check it out on blu-ray in a few months to see the true picture quality.
I tried to ignore all those issues and concentrate on the story but it was a bit dull to be honest. Its not terrible but I can't really recommend it either.
6/10
Moonhawk said:
That said - the casting choices have been clearly driven by an exercise in ticking boxes. Even JJ Abrams had the balls to admit as much.
Yeah thats not unexpected, names draw people in, which is a shame because SW didnt have anyone known as main actors outside of Alec Guinness - yes othr named in there but not main characters.In fact the first OMG moment in TLJ was between two white men, Poe's prank call, I dont mind a touch of slap stick but that was silly, on its own I could have got past it yet the whole battle was a s
tfest, actually dropping bombs in space? Instead, It set the tone for the rest of the movie
272BHP said:
Saw this today and was underwhelmed.
The main problem was the quality of the picture, murky, washed out with no contrast at all. Might have to check it out on blu-ray in a few months to see the true picture quality.
I tried to ignore all those issues and concentrate on the story but it was a bit dull to be honest. Its not terrible but I can't really recommend it either.
6/10
Odd digital cinemas now shouldnt have issues like that unless it was out of focus? The main problem was the quality of the picture, murky, washed out with no contrast at all. Might have to check it out on blu-ray in a few months to see the true picture quality.
I tried to ignore all those issues and concentrate on the story but it was a bit dull to be honest. Its not terrible but I can't really recommend it either.
6/10
Seems a very average movie, which I guess is better than expected..
It's interesting to see that the arguments given by the Lucas-Film so far for the "lower than expected" box office so far are - apathy from too many releases too close together & too much diversity for the fans etc- yet other big franchises like, for example, Marvel, don't seem to be having the same problem despite also having multiple movies per year and massive diversity across the franchise.
So if Marvel, with it's large number of films and diverse cast, has got it right and Star Wars has got it wrong, what's the difference between the leadership of the two franchises?
I think Robert Downey Jr said it best with "Marvel cares about what the fans want to see" whilst the Stars Wars leadership seems to actively dislike a large portion of it's fan base and is aiming it's films at a very small target audience of "liberal Hollywood" types (far left wing etc) and it seems to be there just isn't enough of them going to the cinema to watch Star Wars films.
Sadly Solo, which is an OK-ish movie (6/10), is suffering from the studio actively dissuading a large portion of it's huge fan from going to see it with their attitude and I wonder how much longer Disney will allow it's most expensive franchise to be harmed by the actions of a few at Lucas-Film?
So if Marvel, with it's large number of films and diverse cast, has got it right and Star Wars has got it wrong, what's the difference between the leadership of the two franchises?
I think Robert Downey Jr said it best with "Marvel cares about what the fans want to see" whilst the Stars Wars leadership seems to actively dislike a large portion of it's fan base and is aiming it's films at a very small target audience of "liberal Hollywood" types (far left wing etc) and it seems to be there just isn't enough of them going to the cinema to watch Star Wars films.
Sadly Solo, which is an OK-ish movie (6/10), is suffering from the studio actively dissuading a large portion of it's huge fan from going to see it with their attitude and I wonder how much longer Disney will allow it's most expensive franchise to be harmed by the actions of a few at Lucas-Film?
I get it will be expected to gross less than he main storyline films.
Its a film based on one of the characters from there, it a heist movie, and Ford played hat character which is always hard to pick up.
But are people too spoiled for choice to go see it? A SW movie should be top of the list out of all these to go see.
Its a film based on one of the characters from there, it a heist movie, and Ford played hat character which is always hard to pick up.
But are people too spoiled for choice to go see it? A SW movie should be top of the list out of all these to go see.
I do wonder if we'll have a night of long knives
And I think thid strengthens Feige's bargaining power...it's very clear that stringing together a cohesive franchise isn't easy.
just tried to see if Roz Weston has his spoiler review up, and his bemused non fan mate was pondering on the very issue, Marvel releases films every few months, smashes it...SW tries it, got smashed.
Thought I think there are multiple reasons now
And I think thid strengthens Feige's bargaining power...it's very clear that stringing together a cohesive franchise isn't easy.
just tried to see if Roz Weston has his spoiler review up, and his bemused non fan mate was pondering on the very issue, Marvel releases films every few months, smashes it...SW tries it, got smashed.
Thought I think there are multiple reasons now
Halb said:
Marvel releases films every few months, smashes it...SW tries it, got smashed.
Indeed - the "fatigue" excuse is pretty lame. I expect Ant Man and the Wasp will be decent hit. That will be three successful movies for the MCU in less than 6 months.
The MCU is cranking out movies at more than twice the rate of Star Wars plus they have several TV shows on the go - and that's without even considering the wider Marvel universe (X-men, Deadpool etc).
Yet again - blame the fans. They 'can't handle so many Star Wars releases in such a short time'.......funny theses same fans (and yes - many will be the same) don't seem to have a problem with the MCU's tight release schedule.....it's almost as if there are other forces at work here
Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 28th May 22:42
Moonhawk said:
RobDickinson said:
Tlj problems had nothing to do with the cast or gender.
Of course - even the best actors in the world can only work with the material they are given.That said - the casting choices have been clearly driven by an exercise in ticking boxes. Even JJ Abrams had the balls to admit as much.
Take AFA as an example, both Rey and Finn were clearly there to make Star Wars more 'diverse', but it didn't reduce the quality of the film in any way. The Force would logically be evenly distributed between male and female. The Jedi themselves appeared to be male dominated but that may well be because they seemed similar to a monastic order. Making the "Luke" character female for this trilogy was actually a good move IMO, as this can be a bland character and it was made more interesting by having the role performed by a pretty girl.
As for Finn I very much like the idea of a Storm trooper who rebelled, would have liked to see some flashbacks to his training in later movies to emphasise that they are just as much victims of the First Order as anyone else.
The problem with TLJ is that the plot had to serve the interests of the political agenda and became stupid, nonsensical and distasteful as a result.
zygalski said:
Yet you're going to give Disney more of your money for this crap?
No. I rent blu-rays. My son is a big Star Wars fan so I will probably have to watch it again at some point.Checking the picture quality is just curiosity on my part. I suspect it was a terrible projector - certainly the worst picture I have ever seen at a cinema.
To be fair if you look back at the early days of the MCU before they had cemented their formula the releases were more spread out.
Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk for example both 2008 and TIH is pretty forgettable. Then a big gap to 2010. One in 2011 and 2 in 2012.
Star Wars really hasn’t found its feet in the same way, mostly thanks to TLJ. Marvel also wasn’t a precious entity to many cinema goers.
Very difficult to replicate Marvels success.
Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk for example both 2008 and TIH is pretty forgettable. Then a big gap to 2010. One in 2011 and 2 in 2012.
Star Wars really hasn’t found its feet in the same way, mostly thanks to TLJ. Marvel also wasn’t a precious entity to many cinema goers.
Very difficult to replicate Marvels success.
JagLover said:
Decisions about casting or plotlines are often made to fit a particular agenda, it only matters if it reduces the artistic quality of the film.
Take AFA as an example, both Rey and Finn were clearly there to make Star Wars more 'diverse', but it didn't reduce the quality of the film in any way. The Force would logically be evenly distributed between male and female. The Jedi themselves appeared to be male dominated but that may well be because they seemed similar to a monastic order. Making the "Luke" character female for this trilogy was actually a good move IMO, as this can be a bland character and it was made more interesting by having the role performed by a pretty girl.
As for Finn I very much like the idea of a Storm trooper who rebelled, would have liked to see some flashbacks to his training in later movies to emphasise that they are just as much victims of the First Order as anyone else.
The problem with TLJ is that the plot had to serve the interests of the political agenda and became stupid, nonsensical and distasteful as a result.
Just my inane ramblings here, but I wonder how much different it would have been if Hillary had won the election? The SJWs would have gotten what they wanted, so would have to find other outlets to male their points?Take AFA as an example, both Rey and Finn were clearly there to make Star Wars more 'diverse', but it didn't reduce the quality of the film in any way. The Force would logically be evenly distributed between male and female. The Jedi themselves appeared to be male dominated but that may well be because they seemed similar to a monastic order. Making the "Luke" character female for this trilogy was actually a good move IMO, as this can be a bland character and it was made more interesting by having the role performed by a pretty girl.
As for Finn I very much like the idea of a Storm trooper who rebelled, would have liked to see some flashbacks to his training in later movies to emphasise that they are just as much victims of the First Order as anyone else.
The problem with TLJ is that the plot had to serve the interests of the political agenda and became stupid, nonsensical and distasteful as a result.
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