Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Halb]

because he's a dirty foul-mouthed !

comes from a really rough estate on Kashyyk

should see his family

load of knackers

[Bullett]

In a gang
hangs around with criminals
promising Dejarik player
loves his mum

makes sense.

[JagLover]

Halb said:

because he's a dirty foul-mouthed !

comes from a really rough estate on Kashyyk

should see his family

load of knackers

What sort of father names their son Lumpy?

[generationx]

JagLover said:

What sort of father names their son Lumpy?

[funkyrobot]

generationx said:

JagLover said:

What sort of father names their son Lumpy?

I hear his sister is called blowie.

[Halb]

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-kathleen-kennedy-...

[zb]

Anyone who saw Solo and was complaining about it being dimly lit on screen, was it a 2D showing?

The reason I ask is on of the reasons it could be dark is due to projectionist laziness, there are different lenses for 2D and 3D showings.Leaving on a 3D lens for a 2D performance darkens the image.

[ukaskew]

zb said:

Anyone who saw Solo and was complaining about it being dimly lit on screen, was it a 2D showing?

The reason I ask is on of the reasons it could be dark is due to projectionist laziness, there are different lenses for 2D and 3D showings.Leaving on a 3D lens for a 2D performance darkens the image.

2D here, although it's only really an issue for the first third of the film, which is also quite erratically edited compared to the rest of the film, which doesn't help.

The stuff on Paul Bettany's yacht all looked fine, interestingly we definitely know that every bit of that was reshot. As a different actor (with significant CGI elements) was in place for the original version of those scenes with Lord and Miller.

[chris watton]

Halb said:

because he's a dirty foul-mouthed !

comes from a really rough estate on Kashyyk

should see his family

load of knackers

I think you'll like this, Halb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q6CAMnjjvw


'Solo: A Post-mortem – The Rise and Fall of Star Wars under Disney '

[irocfan]

chris watton said:

I think you'll like this, Halb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q6CAMnjjvw


'Solo: A Post-mortem – The Rise and Fall of Star Wars under Disney '

very interesting

[Moonhawk]

irocfan said:

chris watton said:

I think you'll like this, Halb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q6CAMnjjvw

'Solo: A Post-mortem – The Rise and Fall of Star Wars under Disney '

very interesting

Yep - pretty accurate analysis i'd say. It also makes the apparent decision to alienate a large proportion of the existing fanbase all the more puzzling. For movies steeped in nostalgia - it's exactly these fans you are relying on to bring in the numbers.

Also interesting that Rian Johnson apparently considers polarising the viewers as a desirable outcome. Whilst such an approach may be fine for a standalone movie - I think it's very dangerous for a pre-existing franchise like Star Wars - especially one that relies so heavily on fan investment and loyalty.

[JagLover]

chris watton said:

I think you'll like this, Halb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q6CAMnjjvw


'Solo: A Post-mortem – The Rise and Fall of Star Wars under Disney '

Well worth a watch and unlike a number of the rants out there this is calm and well argued. Probably helps in that regard that he isn't a hardcore fan.

Never knew for example that the Chinese were turning against Star Wars partly for what they deem "Baizuo"

He also has some good recommendations IMO, solve the problem of ep9 by not having an ep9 just yet. I wouldn't go so far as saying wait 20 years, but certainly waiting a fair while could lead to another effective "relaunch" and add some new characters.

[Moonhawk]

JagLover said:

Never knew for example that the Chinese were turning against Star Wars partly for what they deem "Baizuo"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo

Just shows how much Disney lack understanding of their intended audience.

The Chinese audience is potentially massive. Infinity war took more in China alone than it did in the whole of Europe and if this attitude extends to other countries in east Asia (like South Korea - which is also a large market), then pushing SJW bullst could really hurt international box office figures.

Maybe Star Wars has had it's day. The world is a very different place today than it was in the 1970s. The key points which made Star Wars so successful are mostly no longer valid.

As the video points out - we are now further away in time from ANH than ANH was from the end of world war 2 - and at the time ANH was released, the cold war was still very much a thing, the Berlin wall was still up.

The story hasn't really moved on and I think people have difficulty identifying with the 'big bad empire' concept today as it doesn't really reflect anything that is in existence or is a real threat.

There are a few sabre rattling moments from Russia and North Korea - but nobody realistically expects there to be another Nazi led world war, cold war or Cuban missile crisis.

Without advancing Star Wars far into it's own future - i'm not really sure how the narrative could be changed, and even then, if you lose the familiar concepts of the Jedi, the force, the 'empire/rebels etc - then it stops being Star Wars anyway. Star Wars is basically typecast by it's own success.

There have been no original concepts introduced in the new movies. We have simply got bigger versions of the same super-weapons, bigger versions of the same capital ships, lightsabers with more light....thingies, we have emperor 2.0, vader 2.0, R2-D2 2.0 and vinyl wrapped x-wings and tie-fighters.

Even the concept of a female Jedi/force user lead character isn't a new one within the Star Wars canon (Ahsoka Tano), let alone the wider literature (Mara Jade, Jaina Solo etc).

Star Wars cannot survive by simply recycling old ideas and relying on nostalgia for existing characters and concepts. Sooner or later - all those original Star Wars fans will start to die off, most of them are already well into their 50s and 60s.

Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 10th June 16:52

[Halb]

chris watton said:

I think you'll like this, Halb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q6CAMnjjvw


'Solo: A Post-mortem – The Rise and Fall of Star Wars under Disney '

a nice watch, ta. THe zeitgeist thing is interesting. It was a thing of it's time, the special aura that built up around it, Star Wars was on xmas day morning telly for my childhood, it was a special thing to watch on xmas day.
I think though, the idea of a break is a good one. Personally, I'd like it to all be put to bed now. And for the old three films to be released unfked .
I can wish

[Otispunkmeyer]

Saw it last night and really enjoyed it.

I must confess I am not a star wars person mind. I never really got in to watching them till episode 7. Then I watched 8, then rogue one and then felt like I should continue so fired up Netflix and got through episodes 4-6. Still not watched 1-3 and don't think I will.

I thought the guy playing Han did the role justice and I liked Donald Glover as Lando.

I guess for people who know the lore much better there are probably things that ruin it but for me, it was excellent and didn't feel as long as it actually was.

[chris watton]

I don't think Star wars has had its day, far from it. It seems people love sequels and continuations of established franchises.

I think what has changed is many no longer can stomach bad, re-hashed storylines which are made even worse by clumsily shoehorning in the personal political and ideological agendas of the film makers - and when called out, blame the customers!

It seems the Chinese can see this politized crap as clear as day, yet we're just waking up to it. And to think, we were brought up to think the Chinese were the ones brainwashed!

[Moonhawk]

chris watton said:

It seems the Chinese can see this politized crap as clear as day, yet we're just waking up to it. And to think, we were brought up to think the Chinese were the ones brainwashed!

I disagree. We can see it just as clearly as the Chinese can.......but the criticism was dressed up as nothing more than white manbabies crying.

Chinese audiences were very critical of TLJ - but had Disney management called the Chinese all the names they called ‘white males’ there would have been uproar.

[ukaskew]

For my sins I sat through this a second time this evening just to see if I could get on board with it, but nope, I think it might be the least watchable of all 10 movies. At least the prequels attempted something new, this is just a greatest hits album by a competent cover band.

I cannot understand how so many who despised TLJ have given this such an easy ride. It actively undoes stuff in the original trilogy relating to his character, so unlike Rogue One (which I think improves A New Hope) it messes up stuff in the original trilogy, crucially including what so many love about his character. He even goes through the exact same 'careless > sympathetic arc' that he goes through in Star Wars. So watch this then ANH and it makes no sense.

It also spends most of its run time answering questions nobody was asking, and/or in the most ham fisted way possible. The Kessel Run, his surname, Chewbacca's nickname, acquiring the Falcon.

Edited by ukaskew on Sunday 10th June 22:59

[chris watton]

Moonhawk said:

chris watton said:

It seems the Chinese can see this politized crap as clear as day, yet we're just waking up to it. And to think, we were brought up to think the Chinese were the ones brainwashed!

I disagree. We can see it just as clearly as the Chinese can.......but the criticism was dressed up as nothing more than white manbabies crying.

Chinese audiences were very critical of TLJ - but had Disney management called the Chinese all the names they called ‘white males’ there would have been uproar.

I meant the wider public, who usually don't see what's going on, politically, and don't, on the whole, care. However, when they use a thumping great sledgehammer to get their political/ideological points across, even the people who are utterly disinterested in any politics take notice. I also think that once the 'average person' notices this, they become less tolerant of the 'message' the film/series is pushing.

[Moonhawk]

chris watton said:

I don't think Star wars has had its day, far from it. It seems people love sequels and continuations of established franchises.

Do they though?

Sequels doing better than the originals is a fairly rare event. They are generally considered poorer films and usually take less money at the box office (when adjusted for inflation). Just look at Ghostbusters, Alien etc.

Sometimes you'll get a bigger second movie off the back of a decent first one - but if the series continues, the trend normally reverts downwards. This can be seen in the Matrix, Transformers, Lethal Weapon, Die Hard etc.

There aren't many franchises where each subsequent sequel earns more at the box office than the one that preceded it. The only series I have found so far that does so is the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

If Star Wars is on this downward trend (as it appears to be), it'll be difficult to turn it back around.

Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 11th June 00:00